Avatar Stompy

[DrtyDozen13]

History: This is a deck idea I had about a year and a half ago, but I could never get it to work. The main play was to use discard to empty the opponents hand and fill up your graveyard being able to easily play tombstalker or avatar of will. It just never worked the way I wanted it to and was never able to get an avatar into play. I always thought that I needed another beater to compliment the stalker other than the avatar, but could never find the right one in blue or black and went back to a mono black discard. But just recently I thought why not add stifle/nought to mix and see how it runs. Turns out that seems to be the missing piece...
// Lands-18
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Swamp
2 Island
// Creatures-14
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Hypnotic Specter
3 Tombstalker
3 Avatar of Will
// Spells-28
4 Force of Will
2 Mana Leak
4 Stifle
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Smother
// Sideboard-15
SB: 2 Mana Leak
SB: 3 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 4 Pithing Needle
SB: 4 Propaganda

I need to keep the blue count high for force, so I had to leave things like dark ritual out. I haven't had too many problems with 19 :u: sources.

Card Selection:
8x fetch lands-You really want to get your duals because of all the :b::b: and :u::u: casting costs. Also they fill up your yard for tombstalker.
5x basics-this is protection against non-basic hate. with all the fetch lands in the deck you can find them pretty easily.
3x avatar- You really want to draw one, but they kinda suck in multiples, unless you had a great discard hand.
3x stalker- You really want to draw one, but they really suck in multiples, because you typically can't get enough into your yard to cast more than one or two.
2x Mana leak over counterspell- It's casting cost is mana base friendly and almost always is a hard counter.
0x Trickbind- Basically there's no room, but I might need to make it.
6x filtering cards- You really want to get on mana and filter to want you need, whether it be more discard or stifle/nought.
4x Duress over Thoughtsieze- The loss of life is an issue and duress gets what you want most of the time anyway. Between counters and removal it's not really needed.
4x Smother- It's basically the best removal available to :b:/:u:.

Match-ups:
I haven't had a ton of time to test, but it goldfishes around 5-6 with disruption. I'm hoping this will spark someones interest and they will start testing, I just don't have a lot of time at the moment.
Thresh-so far it looks like 50/50 pre-board, leaning towards favorable. There creatures aren't as big. Favorable post-board. Between the graveyard disruption and tombstalker goyf just doesn't get big.
Landstill- Unfavorable pre-board. They can out counter you and with all the draw they pact your discard doesn't really hurt too much. Post-board pithing needles help, but still unfavorable.

That's all for now thanks for looking

[MTG Guru]

Avatar of Will is a bad card and too conditional. Is Morphling a better blue creature? Yes it is.

I also consider Stompy-esque decks, decks than run Ancient Tomb/City of Traitors. It's misleading to call it Stompy.

[Nihil Credo]

- Hypnotic Specter is barely playable without Dark Ritual. I'm not sure which would be better here, cram Ritual in which is awesome with Tombstalker, or cut Specter for something else.
- Dreadnought/Stifle does not just assemble itself, and 4 Brainstorm + 2 Ponder are a fairly thin support squad. Illissius used Vision Charm in a similar deck, which also enables Tombstalker.
- With that curve, I don't see any reason not to run Dazes (over Mana Leak, obv).
- Dead cards = dead Avatar of Will. Smother should at the least turn into Diabolic Edict.
- Test Chrome Mox.

[RoddyVR]

"4x dreadnought- There's no way to fetch it and can be put into play by sacing one to the other not just stifle."

Huh? So you're saying you have one dreadnought in play, and REALY want to play another one, and so you play the new one saccing the old one to it? Achieving what? Summoning sickness, lol? An untap on your nought... (twiddle would be better).

You can not play one, play a second one, and sac one to the other, unless you have an instant way to play creatures (ie vial).

[DrtyDozen13]

Avatar of will is conditional, but you use the discard to force it into play. Also it pitches to force. Morphling would be terrible in this deck, you would never get to play it. It was actually a friend who came up with name. Sorry for misleading you, but I'm pretty sure stompy isn't trademarked. 10 land stompy doesn't use any 2 mana lands.

Ritual isn't very good because of the split on colors. Hippie is still playable because you have many turn 1-2 plays.
Vision Charm seems good I will have to test it.
I don't like daze because I don't think there is room for 4x and after the first few turns isn't very good.
Smother > Edict. I've played a lot of :b: decks and edict isn't bad but not as the primary removal. Maybe as removal 5-8 but I don't have the room.
Chrome mox seems bad in a multi color build.

[DrtyDozen13]

You can not play one, play a second one, and sac one to the other, unless you have an instant way to play creatures (ie vial).
That must have been the way i saw it done before. I'll try vision charm and maybe trinket mage with it. Probably have to drop the avatar to make room for vision charm, then I would have to come up with a new name for the deck... this looks a little better
// Lands-18
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Swamp
2 Island
// Creatures-12
2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
2 Trinket Mage
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Tombstalker
// Spells-30
4 Force of Will
2 Mana Leak
4 Stifle
3 Vision Charm
4 Brainstorm
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Smother
1 Pithing Needle
// Sideboard-15
SB: 2 Mana Leak
SB: 3 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Propaganda
SB: 3 Engineered Plague

Although hippie seems less useful now...
I guess it's back to the drawing board again