[Unicorn Tournament] Make Your Own Standard Tourney

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Registration ends 23:59 on September 30th. First round begins October 1st.

Prizes will be updated as soon as I get a chance to discuss with Spat what we want to give away.

Prizes:
A high-five


Format:

Make Your Own Standard:

Mark Rosewater (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9iu_0GWGH8&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Mark+Rosewater+invitational&emb=0&aq=f) explains his baby.

For those not in the know, this is a sort of cross Eternal-Construct format. You pick any two blocks and a core set in Magic history and put them together. They don't have to be in any way consecutive, although they can be. If you really loved old Upheaval Tog lists, you can do Invasion-Odyssey-7th, or you can do 5th-Onslaught-Lorwyn, or whatever. These are the available coresets and blocks:

Sets:
5th-10th

Blocks:
Ice Age and Mirage onwards (all the functional blocks). Lorwyn/Shadowmoor count as one block.
All three Portal sets count as one block.
This might be controversial, but I'm going to just allow all six of the old standalones as one block- Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, Fallen Empires, Homelands. The reason for this is that once we get past the banned list, these sets (most of which are just above 100 cards anyway) don't have much that's playable left.


The banned list is every card banned in Legacy, as well as every card that's ever been banned in a Standard or Extended format; with the sole exceptions of the Artifact Lands of Mirrodin (Darksteel Citadel, Seat of the Synod, etc.)

So the banned list is:

All Legacy banned cards (Come on, you're on a Legacy site. Don't make me type this out)
- Aether Vial
- Ancient Tomb
- Arcbound Ravager
- Dark Ritual
- Disciple of the Vault
- Goblin Lackey
- Lotus Petal
- Mind Over Matter
- Replenish
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Survival of the Fittest


I think that's it. Submit your MWS deck code. Let me know if I'm missing something obvious.

[Jak]

Sad that Survival is banned. Rec-Sur would have been fun, but I've never played with it so it may be too powerful. This looks fun, count me in. Deck code TBD.

[freakish777]

In. Deck code later.



EDIT: Withdraw due to time constraints and needing to get real world things done.

[Eldariel]

Survival is fair (powerful, but in no ways unbeatable or dominant), but since we're doing categorical bannings, it makes more sense to adhere to a given B&R list than to make our own (Goblin Lackey is fair in MYOS too along with Aether Vial (due to the relative weakness of their blocks for the archetypes the cards belong in), but it's simplier to go with a pre-determined B&R as there is really no data on the format save for some Magic-League experiences).

I'll get back to you with a code in near future.

[iOWN]

I'm not sure how powerful Rec-Sur would be, considering almost every deck that can sideboard graveyard or enchantment hate will (it's a relatively unknown metagame).

Aside from that Lotus Petal and MoM both seem questionable, I don't think they would be popular if they weren't banned.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I'm not sure how powerful Rec-Sur would be, considering almost every deck that can sideboard graveyard or enchantment hate will (it's a relatively unknown metagame).

Aside from that Lotus Petal and MoM both seem questionable, I don't think they would be popular if they weren't banned.


Survival is fair (powerful, but in no ways unbeatable or dominant), but since we're doing categorical bannings, it makes more sense to adhere to a given B&R list than to make our own (Goblin Lackey is fair in MYOS too along with Aether Vial (due to the relative weakness of their blocks for the archetypes the cards belong in), but it's simplier to go with a pre-determined B&R as there is really no data on the format save for some Magic-League experiences).

[J.V.]

In. Deck code TBD.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Prizes:
A high-five
Who is the high-five from?

[KillemallCFH]

Is there any room for debate on the B/R list? I didn't think we had actually reached a conclusion in the last thread. Survival, Lackey, Lotus Petal, Ritual, Ancient Tomb, Top, and Replenish all fueled decks in official-rules-MYOS (i.e. Legacy/Block B/R) that were far from overpowered.

Either way, I'm in. I just don't really like the idea of using the Extended banned list here.

EDIT: I wrote this before anyone else responded and for some reason didn't post it until now, so I guess this has kinda already been said.

[Nihil Credo]

Who is the high-five from?
Well, duh.

http://xs231.xs.to/xs231/08360/s870.jpg

[PunkRocker1134]

I would so be in, but I don't think MWS runs on Mac. So, sadly I can't play in this one.

[Elfrago]

Count me in

[Jaynel]

I would so be in, but I don't think MWS runs on Mac. So, sadly I can't play in this one.

Yeah, this. Don't want to get Parallels just so I can play MWS.

[Illissius]

I use vmware player just so I can play MWS...

And I'll prob be up for this, once I figure out a deck.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

What does From the Vault count as? Hellkite Overlord makes Dragonstorm significantly better.
Well, duh.In.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Special sets like Battlemasters and FTV aren't allowed. This is partially because they all encourage linear deckbuilding, and partly because Elves vs. Goblins would very nearly allow you to build Legacy Goblins, which is stupid.

[Whit3 Ghost]

I'd prolly be up for this.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Special sets like Battlemasters and FTV aren't allowed. This is partially because they all encourage linear deckbuilding, and partly because Elves vs. Goblins would very nearly allow you to build Legacy Goblins, which is stupid.That's reasonable.

Deck code: E8E3E235

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

Prizes will be updated as soon as I get a chance to discuss with Spat what we want to give away.


Uh....

[Kadaj]

I'm in. Deck code later.

[J.V.]

Here is my deck code.
4B42FBD4

[Pinder]

Well, duh.
<scissorhands pic>

Aw....:frown:.

I was hoping for something like this:

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/2007/04/19/High%20Five.jpg

[J.V.]

What about something like this?
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k208/JanValentine00/2640552497_9e2e2354d1.jpg

[Wallace]

I'm in, deck code TBA...

[Elfrago]

My deckcode: c3d211b4

[Peter_Rotten]

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Cursed Scroll banned at one point in time?

[Skeggi]

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Cursed Scroll banned at one point in time?

Tempest/Stronghold/Exodus block format tournaments (see Rule 806.5) have banned this card since 1998/07/01.

That's a block ban, I guess that doesn't count.

[Atwa]

I'm in.

Let's see how far I'll get with my "trown together in 2 minutes-deck".

7916f1f8

[Wallace]

This is going to be fun, being limited to just 6 or 7 sets means this format will test the deck building skills of any player. Having knowledge of what cards are in what set will help too.

My deck code is: de1dbf85

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I count 15 'blocks' available total, actually.

Because it was mentioned earlier and I never really addressed it, if there's a clamor to do so, we can just ditch the other banned lists and stick with the Legacy one, but I am a bit worried about the power of several cards (Aether Vial and Survival of the Fittest, mainly, although Dark Ritual could also be a pain).

[Eldariel]

The only things that I've found potentially worrisome (off the block B&R) are:
-Cursed Scroll (aggro with Tempest is already nutty, and the format is slightly slower than Legacy, Scroll does ugly stuff)
-Affinity (Ravager, Disciple, Cranial allows leaving Vial and Arti Lands unbanned since they remove the main support hull from the block, thus making Mirrodin a possible splash-block for decks wanting Vial)
-Combo Enchantress (Argothian, Replenish and a ton of enchantments are in Urza)

I haven't tested Elves with Urza (or Trinity for that matter), so I'm not sure if it's broken, but I could see it "winning" a turn faster than the format (it's on average a turn 4 format).

[Wallace]

I think you should leave it as is, the B&R list you posted should make for a fair format. Cards like Survival of the fittest, Aether vial and Replenish could dominate the meta if left unchecked.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I'm in.

Let's see how far I'll get with my "trown together in 2 minutes-deck".

7916f1f8Those are the best kinds of decks. The last three decks I've made have all been created in less then 5 minutes and they're doing fine.

[Wallace]

I count 15 'blocks' available total, actually.

What I meant was, you will have 7-8 sets available to you depending on what blocks you pick. For Example if you pick:

Tempest Block, Ravnica Block and 10th ed., you will have 7 sets to build a deck from.

Tempest
Stronghold
Exodus
Ravnica
Guildpact
Dissension
10th edition

[etrigan]

Will Zuran Orb be legal?

[Wallace]

Will Zuran Orb be legal?

according to the rules I think it should be.



Vintage tournaments (see Rule 801) restricted this card from 1995/11/01 through 1997/10/01. It is currently unrestricted.
Legacy tournaments (see Rule 802) banned this card until 1999/04/01.
Extended tournaments (see Rule 803) have always banned this card.
Standard (Type 2) tournaments (see Rule 804) have banned this card since 1997/01/01 when it left the environment. It was previously restricted from 1995/11/01 to 1997/01/01, and banned from 1997/07/01 through 1997/11/01 when Ice Age temporarily became legal again.
Ice Age and Ice Age/Homelands/Alliances block tournaments have banned this card since 1997/05/01. It was previously restricted from 1995/11/01 through 1997/05/01.

[etrigan]

I was looking more at:


Extended tournaments (see Rule 803) have always banned this card.

[Wallace]

I was looking more at:

Either way, it should be banned...

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I'm not banning Zuran Orb for the same reason I'm not banning Serendib Efreet.

1) It's not in the opening post, and some people have already submitted deckcodes.

2) Seriously. Zuran Orb. I'm not punishing a marginal card and making a mockery of the banned list because R&D didn't realize that Necropotence was the problem.

[Mister Agent]

I will join as well. Deck code will come later whenever I build a deck I feel like playing.

[VsTheWorld]

Count me in for this. Deck code will come whenever I get around to building something.

[technogeek5000]

Ill get my deck code soon.

I really like this idea as a format. I think there is so much depth to this (more then either eternal formats) and I would love if this were to actually be supported.

[TheAardvark]

The banned list is every card banned in Legacy, as well as every card that's ever been banned in a Standard or Extended format; with the sole exceptions of the Artifact Lands of Mirrodin (Darksteel Citadel, Seat of the Synod, etc.)


So, like, you're changing the rules as they were done for the Invitational. Why?

EDIT: Reading is tech. Survival was actually pretty underwhelming, as that was what I played. I got owned by Annul, among other things. Aether Vial was also irrelevant. As was Dark Ritual. Trust me, I thought I had the best deck by a mile and went 2-2, and the decks with the "scary" cards didn't crack the T8.

Back to the unedited part...

Anyway, we did a tournament like this back in February and it was a lot of fun. It's unfortunate that one deck almost dominated the event, taking 2nd and 3rd, but Ichorid won. Go figure.

But yeah, it's a great deckbuilding format.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Because banning block cards was stupid. The format's way over the block power level. In the future it might just be easier to stick with the Legacy list. What tournament was this you were in? Are there results up somewhere?

[TheAardvark]

Because banning block cards was stupid. The format's way over the block power level. In the future it might just be easier to stick with the Legacy list. What tournament was this you were in? Are there results up somewhere?

Just my local crew. I have 3 of the T8 lists, although 2 of them are identical. Force of Will was far and away the dominating card, with (IIRC) 5 of the T8 decks featuring it.

Here's the first place build:

*1st Place*
Blocks/Core Set: Odyssey/Ravnica/5th

4x Ichorid
4x Nether Shadow
4x Putrid Imp
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Golgari Thug
1x Wonder
1x Psychatog

4x Cabal Therapy
4x Careful Study
3x Breakthrough
2x Deep Analysis

3x Zombie Infestation

4x Cephalid Coliseum
4x Underground River
4x Watery Grave
1x Riftstone Portal
4x Swamp
3x Island

SIDEBOARD:
4x Leyline of the Void
4x Firemane Angel
2x Darkblast
2x Life from the Loam
1x Filth
1x Ray of Revelation
1x Riftstone Portal

And second place (also 3rd place, card-for-card):

*2nd Place*
Blocks/Core Set: Ice Age/Tempest/10th

4x Counterspell
4x Force of Will
4x Rune Snag
4x Telling Time
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Wrath of God
3x Mana Leak
2x Counsel of the Soratami

3x Humility
3x Orim's Prayer
2x Mobilization

4x Adarkar Wastes
4x Kjeldoran Outpost
8x Island
8x Plains

SIDEBOARD:
4x COP: Red
4x Disenchant
4x Pithing Needle
3x Condemn


The other T8 decks were two blue-based control, U/G Madness (I think), mono-black, and burn. The two (perhaps 3) Survival decks all went 2-2 or worse, the Goblins build did poorly, and the combo decks didn't do well either.

I think you should just play it as it was originally intended, but that's your call. Either way, I am sure it will be a blast. Enjoy.

[Anusien]

You banned my deck :(. If it wasn't for the Top ban, I'd fix up the UW Fish list as it should have been submitted (I expected far too many Goblins players, but I think in general you can make some extra room in the list for better anti-aggro creatures) and redeem it, but I can't. :(

In, deck code ae78aaac.

[Kadaj]

Deck code: 9093693e

It's going to be awful, but hey, I might have some fun.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Time's ticking. [/bump]

[Eldariel]

Code: 5e8fb02a

[trueeevil]

I will be in soon after some more testing

[mercenarybdu]

You totally off sync when it comes to the entire Legacy and Block Con banned lists.

What you just wrote out was what was part of the Old Extended banned list until 2005 when it shifted after Ravnica was introduced.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

You totally off sync when it comes to the entire Legacy and Block Con banned lists.

What you just wrote out was what was part of the Old Extended banned list until 2005 when it shifted after Ravnica was introduced.


The banned list is every card banned in Legacy, as well as every card that's ever been banned in a Standard or Extended format;

[Sanguine Voyeur]

New deck code: 15638465

I may change it if I want a sideboard.

[Roman Candle]

I'm in.

C49AE1B5

[KillemallCFH]

Oh, shit. I almost forgot about this thing. I guess I'll try this pile:

bb561355

[Anusien]

Editted in my deck code.

[Andros]

I'm in, deck code: 7fd57c9f

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I'm extending this a day for holiday stuff. New deadline is tomorrow night for deck code.

[Illissius]

Oh wow. I was at a concert yesterday and collapsed asleep when I got home, and I thought, "well, there goes the MYOS tournament. too bad.", and "there's no way I'm lucky enough the deadline gets extended". Being wrong is awesome.

Go go terrible untested deck!
84567D05

[B.C.]

If it's not too late:

935faadb

[J.V.]

Go go terrible untested deck!

That's my gameplan too :cool:

[VsTheWorld]

bb561355

[KillemallCFH]

That's my gameplan too :cool:Pretty sure that's everyone's gameplan. I don't think I've actually played a postboard game with this deck yet.

[J.V.]

Pretty sure that's everyone's gameplan. I don't think I've actually played a postboard game with this deck yet.

I haven't even goldfished.:cool:

[Atwa]

Any updates on a 2nd round?

[Roman Candle]

My computer died last night, and I got a new one. The only problem is, I don't have my deck file. I'm hoping it doesn't take long to get my other one up and running so I can copy the file onto this computer, but I don't know if my deck code will change. Will this be a problem?