Painter's Servant + Sword of Fire and Ice

[Tacosnape]

Alright, I admit I've been on a semi magic hiatus through the summer and am just now jumping back in hardcore, so help me out here. I'm rusty.

What exactly happens here? I'm sleepy and at work and don't feel like digging through the comprehensive rules. Here's the idea. Help me make sure this works as I think it does.

1. I play Painter's Servant, naming either Blue or Red. We'll say Red for this example.

2. I equip a Sword of Fire and Ice onto the Painter's Servant, giving him protection from Blue and Red, so essentially, protection from every card in the game.

3. Does this now cause the Sword of Fire and Ice to immediately fall off of him, considering the Sword of Fire and Ice is, by virtue of being Red, granting Painter's Servant protection from the Sword of Fire and Ice itself?

Thanky Thanky.

[DeathScythe]

yes your thoughts are absolutly right

[freakish777]

Correct. Protection is can't be Damaged Enchanted/Equipped Blocked or Targetted. This is why cards like White Ward have to have a special clause that makes them not destroy themselves.

[AngryTroll]

This question is answered above, I think, but to clarify:

If the Sword is equipped onto a different creature in play when he plays a Painter's Servant naming blue, does it fall off of that creature, or does it only target when equipping?

[Gocho]

502.7d A permanent with protection can't be equipped by Equipment that have the stated quality or fortified by Fortifications that have the stated quality. Such Equipment or Fortifications become unattached from that permanent, but remain in play. (See Rule 420, "State-Based Effects.")

http://crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/summaries/indexes/rule-general-502.php#502.7d

[Jaiminho]

2. I equip a Sword of Fire and Ice onto the Painter's Servant, giving him protection from Blue and Red, so essentially, protection from every card in the game.

It never get's to be equipped. You can't play the equip ability since it won't have legal targets.



If the Sword is equipped onto a different creature in play when he plays a Painter's Servant naming blue, does it fall off of that creature, or does it only target when equipping?

EDIT - SoFI gives protection after it's equipped, so I mistook it here.

[Anusien]

It never get's to be equipped. You can't play the equip ability since it won't have legal targets.
It doesn't have protection yet, so you can play the equip ability.

[freakish777]

@Everyone:


If the Sword is equipped onto a different creature in play when he plays a Painter's Servant naming blue, does it fall off of that creature, or does it only target when equipping?


Targetting is irrelevant here.

Cards & Players with protection can't be Damaged by the thing they're protected from.

Cards & Players with protection can't be Enchanted/Equipped/Fortified by the thing they're protected from.

Cards & Players with protection can't be Blocked by the thing they're protected from.

Cards & Players with protection can't be Targetted by the thing they're protected from.


If a Card or Player gains protection from Blue and was previously being Enchanted/Equipped/Fortified by a Blue card, that card "falls off" (auras get binned, Equipment and Fortifications stay in play). Additionally, if a Card or Player already has protection from Blue and a card currently Enchanting/Equipping/Fortifying them becomes Blue (via Prismatic Lace), it "falls off."


Again, the prevention of targetting isn't the relevant part of Protection here.

[Michael Keller]

This is one of the main reasons Imperial Painter doesn't run Sword of Fire and Ice, because of the interaction (or lack thereof) with Painter's Servant. You want to wash everything blue there, so playing Sword of Fire and Ice doesn't really make sense in that particular deck.

But freakish has it correct with the correlation; you cannot equip a Painter's Servant (or any other creature, for that matter) with a particular Sword matching the named color.

[Jander78]

But freakish has it correct with the correlation; you cannot equip a Painter's Servant (or any other creature, for that matter) with a particular Sword matching the named color.
As too Anusiens point: There is nothing preventing you from equiping SoFI since Painter's Servant doesn't gain protection until after it is equiped. It will still become unequipped (fall off) after, but the equip ability can still target.

[Michael Keller]

Yes. Because equipping does not "target"...

Or does it?

EDIT: Nm, got it.

[Wallace]

Yes. Because Equipping does not "target"...

Or does it?

Actually, equipping does target...

[Michael Keller]

I know, I know. I forgot about that when I was reading some other information that confused me.

A situation never arose in that manner when I played I.P. Good to know.