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Peter_Rotten
09-29-2008, 08:33 PM
OK, I've been goldfishing Ichorid a bit and I have a few deck-related questions. Keep in mind that my only experience with the deck is saccing Fanatic against to win.

1. I can't remeber the "floating mana through the upkeep and draw" rule. Here's the situation: I have an LED in play, nothing in the yard, and a Dredge critter in hand. During my upkeep, I sac the LED to put the Dredge-critter in my yard. I replace my draw with a dredge which dumps an Deep Anal in the yard. Does my LED mana empty right after my draw, or will I be able to use it to flash back Deep Anal?

2. Dredge question: I have one Dredge critter in the yard and cast Deep Anal (or any multiple draw spell). I replace the first draw with the dredge which reveals another Dredge critter. Can I now replace the 2nd draw with the newly "revealed" dredge critter? I assume "yes."

3. I cast Breakthrough (for 0 of course). I Dredge a critter back to my hand. Will that critter be in my hand when Breakthrough resolves and thus be discarded? Or does Breakthrough fully resolve before the critter returns to my hand?

Pinder
09-29-2008, 08:44 PM
1. Mana empties at the end of phases. Your untap, upkeep, and draw steps are all part of the Beginning Phase. So any mana you float during your upkeep step will last until then end of your draw step. In this case, you can't pay for Deep Anal with LED mana because it's a sorcery and the mana won't last until your main phase.

2. You assume right. Each draw is replaced separately, so if you dredge another dredge critter into the yard with the first draw, you can dredge that one for the second draw.

3. The critter will be in your hand and will get discarded:


502.47a Dredge is a static ability that functions only while the card with dredge is in a player's graveyard. "Dredge N" means "As long as you have at least N cards in your library, if you would draw a card, you may instead put N cards from the top of your library into your graveyard and return this card from your graveyard to your hand."

Returning the critter to your hand is part of the action that replaces the draw, so it will return to your hand before you get to the next draw. If the card didn't get returned until after the spell was done resolving, you could use 1 dredge card to replace all 4 draws (because the dredge card would still be in the yard for each of them). And that would be silly.

Soto
09-29-2008, 09:00 PM
3. I cast Breakthrough (for 0 of course).

I don't know if you're assuming that you'll always be Breakthroughing for 0, but if you are, don't. Sometimes you'll have some mana to use to keep an LED or a Deep Analysis, or a critter (like Stinkweed Imp to cast as a blocker).

Lego
09-29-2008, 10:09 PM
(like Stinkweed Imp to cast as a blocker).

Or even more important, Putrid Imp to use as an enabler. Or to keep a land in hand for the following turn's land drop so you have two mana to Flashback Deep Analysis or activate Colliseum.

GreenOne
09-30-2008, 07:15 AM
1. I can't remeber the "floating mana through the upkeep and draw" rule. Here's the situation: I have an LED in play, nothing in the yard, and a Dredge critter in hand. During my upkeep, I sac the LED to put the Dredge-critter in my yard. I replace my draw with a dredge which dumps an Deep Anal in the yard. Does my LED mana empty right after my draw, or will I be able to use it to flash back Deep Anal?


Note that you can use that mana to activate Coliseum in the draw step.