Conflux

[Sek'Kuar]

So, whats everyone's opinion of the Conflux leak from Japan? I found this thread on mtg salvation:http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=131996

Edit: Also, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker!

[Mayk0l]

If this is actually real, a spoiler of this magnitude before Alara is even released, then certainly some heads will be rolling over at wizards!
Awesome find. Too bad I'm not knowledgeable enough to guess if this is real or not. I do hope, if it's true, Nicol Bolas gets a cool card :)

[heroicraptor]

It was almost certainly confirmed when the Conflux cards were shortly removed from the original text file.

[Sek'Kuar]

Yeah, it basically has been confirmed. I just got finished with the thread upon posting this thread, and the consensus is that it is true. I just can't wait for the NBicol Bolas planeswalker card.. I hope to hell he does not get nerf'd...

[The Rack]

That's a pretty neat find. Anyway to get the pics too? :p

[Aggro_zombies]

Yeah, it basically has been confirmed. I just got finished with the thread upon posting this thread, and the consensus is that it is true. I just can't wait for the NBicol Bolas planeswalker card.. I hope to hell he does not get nerf'd...
I just hope his last ability isn't "Target player discards his or her hand," as that would be weak as hell.

Also, lulz @ this getting leaked. How many people just lost their jobs over this?

EDIT: Also,

Looks like the domain is registered to a Kaoru Yonemura in Osaka, Japan. Also looks like he runs tournaments there.
Moar liek he RAN tournaments there amirite?!

[Lego]

I just hope his last ability isn't "Target player discards his or her hand," as that would be weak as hell.

He should probably cost 3, and that should probably be his +1 ability :wink:

[ParkerLewis]

Yeah, it basically has been confirmed. I just got finished with the thread upon posting this thread, and the consensus is that it is true. I just can't wait for the NBicol Bolas planeswalker card.. I hope to hell he does not get nerf'd...

It's way too late for a card from this set to get nerfed. So don't worry, he'll be there : )

[Sek'Kuar]

No, I know Nicol Bolas be there. I just hope he doesn't suck. And about running those tournaments, his license is getting pulled for sure. There's no way he'll be allowed to keep it. The interesting thing will be to see if Wizards publicly addresses this in either the Monday or Wednesday feature article. Especially since that would pretty much confirm it. We all know how much the company, and especially MaRo hates unauthorized leaks... As they said on Salvation, The last time something of this magnitude happened was when Judgement was put online. I'm pretty sure wizards will take much more care with their overseas contacts from now on. I also hope that we still get our Orb of Insight for Conflux.

[Skeggi]

That may have been a list for translation of the card names. But really, what good are card names. Ok, we know the reprints, we know there will be more Planeswalkers. That's it.

[Mirrislegend]

Well the reprinting of Worldly Counsel and Mana Cyclix indicates a return to 5 color nuttiness. Everyone saw it coming; either the shards reforming into a full plane or each somehow getting access to the off colors of mana, but this confirms it.

[Jeremy]

Well the reprinting of Worldly Counsel and Mana Cyclix indicates a return to 5 color nuttiness. Everyone saw it coming; either the shards reforming into a full plane or each somehow getting access to the off colors of mana, but this confirms it.

And Bolas making the "reunion" ?
Funny...:rolleyes:

Edit: and....
Corrupted Roots ->BG land?
Exotic Orchard -> UG land?
Fiery Fall -> UR land?
Reliquary Tower -> BW land?
Rupture Spire -> RW land?

we're getting the enemy fetches????

[Atwa]

And Bolas making the "reunion" ?
Funny...:rolleyes:

Edit: and....
Corrupted Roots ->BG land?
Exotic Orchard -> UG land?
Fiery Fall -> UR land?
Reliquary Tower -> BW land?
Rupture Spire -> RW land?

we're getting the enemy fetches????

The names are neutral enough to be reprinted into coresets, which would be a pre for utility cards like fetchland. I'm not sure to be pleased with this. It would make deckbuilding a lot easier, however I think it will be pretty stupid, having 40 fetchlands to chose from.

[Aggro_zombies]

The names are neutral enough to be reprinted into coresets, which would be a pre for utility cards like fetchland. I'm not sure to be pleased with this. It would make deckbuilding a lot easier, however I think it will be pretty stupid, having 40 fetchlands to chose from.
Forty? How are you getting that?

[Jaynel]

There would be 10 total fetches, and 4 of each could be played in any given deck.

Rupture Spire and Fiery Fall sound like red spells to me, though.

[Skeggi]

we're getting the enemy fetches????

I doubt Wizards will be printing enemy fetches at all. Only if they'd really need the money.

[Arsenal]

I'm confused. What is Conflux?

[Jeremy]

There would be 10 total fetches, and 4 of each could be played in any given deck.

Rupture Spire and Fiery Fall sound like red spells to me, though.

Maybe, there could be some other viable names I am missing for the same reason (not being american) :laugh:

[Skeggi]

I'm confused. What is Conflux?

New expansion after Shards of Alara.

[Arsenal]

New expansion after Shards of Alara.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. I got the impression that it was some set that was going to be released in conjunction with Shards of Alara (similar to the Time Spiral/Time-shift release).

[Wallace]

And Bolas making the "reunion" ?
Funny...:rolleyes:

Edit: and....
Corrupted Roots ->BG land?
Exotic Orchard -> UG land?
Fiery Fall -> UR land?
Reliquary Tower -> BW land?
Rupture Spire -> RW land?

we're getting the enemy fetches????

NO!

[m03]

Moar liek he RAN tournaments there amirite?!

Yes, but why would he have this information at all?

Do tournament organizers in Japan usually get full lists of card names for sets 5 months prior to their release?

Something about this is suspicious. If that was a list distributed by Wizards that he just slapped up on the web, wouldn't you expect to see it on other sites as well?

[Maagler]

NO!
:cry:

[Happy Gilmore]

And Bolas making the "reunion" ?
Funny...:rolleyes:

Edit: and....
Corrupted Roots ->BG land?
Exotic Orchard -> UG land?
Fiery Fall -> UR land?
Reliquary Tower -> BW land?
Rupture Spire -> RW land?

we're getting the enemy fetches????

Holy crap...you might be right...

[Mayk0l]

This Conflux is to Alara what Darksteel is to Mirrodin right? Would they really print a set of fetchlands, which will be highly sought, in a small set? I think they'd put them in the big set. Besides that, Alara block has enough manafixing as is with just Alara.

[mercenarybdu]

I doubt that Enemy fetchlands would be released any time soon. It should be a long time coming if the lands are released to the general public.

I still need enemy fetchlands to complete U/G Madness as it already has problems without them.

[m03]

This Conflux is to Alara what Darksteel is to Mirrodin right? Would they really print a set of fetchlands, which will be highly sought, in a small set? I think they'd put them in the big set.

They did put enemy filter-duals in a recent small set (Eventide).

Wouldn't it be more likely that these will be "enemy" versions of the current CitPT tri-color lands?

[Mayk0l]

They did put enemy filter-duals in a recent small set (Eventide).

Wouldn't it be more likely that these will be "enemy" versions of the current CitPT tri-color lands?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. I just don't see them printing enemy fetch anytime soon either. The filter-duals are mweh, I mean, it's not Onslaught Fetch, and that's basically what it takes to make Legacy.

[quicksilver]

They did print the enemy pain lands in a small set (apocolypse) years after they printed the allied ones.

[cdr]

Yes, but why would he have this information at all?

It was likely from someone involved in Japanese translation.

[AngryTroll]

"Fiery Fall" sounds like a an instant combat trick, not a land.

I actually really like the Hybrid lands. While they are strictly not as powerful as the Fetches, they are still pretty solid. If it weren't for the two downsides (no colors on turn one, and no shuffle for Brainstorm), I'd certainly play them in decks like Madness.

[Mirrislegend]

From Wizards today:

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/arcana/1689_fullart.jpg

I gotta say, that looks like Progenitus pwning Bant to me. Thoughts?

[sunshine]

"Fiery Fall" sounds like a an instant combat trick, not a land.

I could definitely see Fiery Fall being a u/r producing land of some sort: waterfall + fire = Fiery Fall?

[Solpugid]

I gotta say, that looks like Progenitus pwning Bant to me. Thoughts?

That's the first thing I thought of too. Then I continued to stare at the art for the next 5 minutes. So much detail!

[J.V.]

I'm gonna say that is probably the art for Apocalypse Hydra.... notice the Hydra in the picture. :wink:

[Skeggi]

I'm gonna say that is probably the art for Apocalypse Hydra.... notice the Hydra in the picture. :wink:

Big chance. That art is awesome! Too bad it's probably going to be on a red card. The border won't do the art much justice...let's hope it'll be multicolored :smile:

[Mirrislegend]

I'm gonna say that is probably the art for Apocalypse Hydra.... notice the Hydra in the picture. :wink:

Apocalypse Hydra = mortal incarnation of Progenitus? or the destructive incarnation? We know Progenitus IS a hydra, so it still fits.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

It looks white. It could be an instant, the troops are holding off the beast, a creature, the small white angel charging to its maw, or an enchantment/aura, the dead at its wake and mouth imply that this is a long battle.

[Happy Gilmore]

Enemy Fetchlands to me seem like an inevitability, but as said, it may not happen in the near future.

Just in case they delete the thread:

Absorb Vis
Aerie Mystics
Ancient Ziggurat
Apocalypse Hydra
Armillary Sphere
Asha's Favor
Aven Squire
Aven Trailblazer
Banefire
Beacon Behemoth
Blood Tyrant
Bloodhall Ooze
Bone Saw
Brackwater Elemental
Canyon Minotaur
Celestial Purge
Charnelhoard Wurm
Child of Alara
Cliffrunner Behemoth
Conflux
Constricting Tendrils
Controlled Instincts
Corrupted Roots
Countersquall
Court Homunculus
Cylian Sunsinger
Dark Temper
Darklit Gargoyle
Drag Down
Dragonsoul Knight
Dreadwing
Elder Mastery
Ember Weaver
Encumbering Stone
Esper Cormorants
Esperzoa
Ethersworn Adjudicator
Exotic Orchard
Exploding Borders
Extractor Demon
Faerie Mechanist
Fiery Fall
Filigree Fracture
Fleshformer
Font of Mythos
Frontline Sage
Fusion Elemental
Giltspire Avenger
Gleam of Resistance
Gluttonous Slime
Goblin Outlander
Goblin Razerunners
Grixis Slavedriver
Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer
Hellkite Hatchling
Hellspark Elemental
Hermitage Illusionist
Ignite Disorder
Infectious Horror
Inkwell Leviathan
Jhessian Balmgiver
Kaleidostone
Kederekt Parasite
Knight of the Reliquary
Knotvine Mystic
Kranioceros
Lapse of Certainty
Maelstrom Archangel
Magister Sphinx
Malfegor
Mana Cylix (reprint)
Manaforce Mace
Maniacal Rage (reprint)
Mark of Asylum
Martial Coup
Master Transmuter
Matca Rioters
Mayael's Retaliator
Might of Alara
Mirror-Sigil Sergeant
Molten Frame
Nacatl Hunt-Pride
Nacatl Outlander
Nacatl Savage
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (!)
Noble Hierarch
Nyxathid
Obelisk of Alara
Paleoloth
Paragon of the Amesha
Parasitic Strix
Path to Exile
Pestilent Kathari
Progenitus
Quenchable Fire
Rakka Mar
Reliquary Tower
Rhox Bodyguard
Rhox Meditant
Rotting Rats
Rupture Spire
Sacellum Archers
Salvage Slasher
Scarland Thrinax
Scattershot Archer
Scepter of Dominance
Scepter of Fugue
Scepter of Insight
Scornful Ather-Lich
Sedraxis Alchemist
Shambling Remains
Shard Convergence
Sigil of the Empty Throne
Skyward Eye Prophets
Sludge Strider
Soul's Majesty
Sphinx Summoner
Spore Burst
Suicidal Charge
Sylvan Bounty
Telemin Performance
Thornling
Toxic Iguanar
Traumatic Visions
Tukatongue Thallid
Unstable Frontier
Unsummon (reprint)
Vagrant Plowbeasts
Valeron Outlander
Valiant Guard
Vectis Agents
Vedalken Outlander
Viashino Slaughtermaster
View from Above
Voices from the Void
Volcanic Fallout
Voracious Dragon
Wall of Reverence
Wandering Goblins
Wild Leotau
Worldheart Phoenix
Worldly Counsel (reprint)
Wretched Banquet
Yoke of the Damned
Zombie Outlander

[Wallace]

It looks white. It could be an instant, the troops are holding off the beast, a creature, the small white angel charging to its maw, or an enchantment/aura, the dead at its wake and mouth imply that this is a long battle.

I agree, maybe a reprisal reprint?


http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ai/144.jpg

[Skeggi]

All this talk about Progenitus. Did you guys notice there's a card called Progenitus? Tell us more about this Progenitus thing, please.

[Illissius]

It looks more like a multiheaded (or multiple) Wurms to me. Don't Hydras generally have (bigger) eyes? But I guess this would still be within the realm of Magical biology.

[Mirrislegend]

All this talk about Progenitus. Did you guys notice there's a card called Progenitus? Tell us more about this Progenitus thing, please.

Holy crap you're right. I didn't even realize that. Given that it's one name, with no title, I'm gonna guess its a planeswalker. Which honestly would make a fair bit of sense. Who else in the Magic cosmology can create (not just summon, conjure, or replicate) life?

[Skeggi]

He seems to fit a list of 1 word names:

Esperzoa
Kranioceros
Malfegor
Nyxathid
Progenitus

Any of these ring a bell? I know Progenitus does...but what about the rest?

[Solpugid]

Kranioceros? As in cranium+rhinoceros? As in a rhox planeswalker? I can dream...

[dahcmai]

Be cool as hell if Nicol had an ability like this.

+1 - Discard two cards, pay 1B, target player discards entire hand and loses 7 life.



Heh, what's that remind you of?

[Skeggi]

Be cool as hell if Nicol had an ability like this.

+1 - Discard two cards, pay 1B, target player discards entire hand and loses 7 life.

Fortunately that's not going to happen. There's no room for anything than a plus or minus and a number in the cost box of the abilities. So basically: all you can use to let them cast their spells, is their loyalty.

[Pinder]

He seems to fit a list of 1 word names:

Esperzoa
Kranioceros
Malfegor
Nyxathid
Progenitus

Any of these ring a bell? I know Progenitus does...but what about the rest?

Malfegor rings a bell for some reason. I think he's from Grixis? I'll try and track down precisely where I heard of him from. But none of the other ones ring a bell.

[Nihil Credo]

It probably rings a bell because it sounds like Belfagor. Euros to elderberries it's a Demon (conceptually if not mechanically).

[Jeremy]

Malfegor rings a bell for some reason.

You may have heard of:

- Belfagor, the ghost of Louvre (tale and movies)
- Belfagor, the demon/divinity in Palestine (myth)
- Belfagor the arch-devil by Machiavelli (tale)

Yes, Malfegor sounds Grixis :tongue:

[MattH]

Three obvious ones:

Esperzoa - Esper. Duh.
Malfegor - Grixis ('mal' prefix = evil)
Progenitus - Naya

That leaves Bant and Jund.
Kranioceros - since it sounds rhox-ish, this is probably Bant.

Which leaves Nyxathid for Jund. Something about the '-thid' ending sounds like an animal, a beastly thing, which fits.