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jericohs@cottage
10-08-2008, 12:20 PM
I have never had anything bad to say about this forum until a few weeks ago. When i found out that moderators of this forum rule it with an Iron fist and Sickel.
I was minding my own business contributing to posts when i received a reply from another member who's somewhat sarcastic and insulting statement was completely over the top... But to my amazement nothing happened...The moderators did nothing? So what ever; i called the guy a moron, jackass and what not. Proceeded to put the guy in his place and guess what? I receive a forum warning the next day.
Have you noticed that some of these people take it a little too seriously...
Think about it, most of us that post in the dev or casual forums are there to have fun and discuss threads lightly. Not shoot down posts because the Tier1 decks would demolish it. Comon, where's the kitchen table part of the forum and where can i get away from dicks with pocket protector's telling me that my list can't beat counterbalance and pernicious deed. I think these people and moderators are a little too self involved. IMO, they think their god's gift to the magic community while I prefer being god's gift to women. It's funny, today i read a post left by a moderator making fun of people playing 18hrs of WOW straight. I thought it ironic, coming from a moderator who does indeed know the magical subject quite well but also spends probably upwards of 60 hrs a week playing a game just as our fellow console gamers. IF you wanna be a rules GURU for magic, a columnist, reporter, consultant for magic pro's after a hard knock life of 10 years in the magic business go ahead and do so. No one is stopping you and I even appreciate it, but remember that many members are here because they simply love playing once a week and are working on their Kitchen or FNM brews. That to me, is the insulting part. I don't need to talk about TIER 1, I have all the decks. I've played them over and over and over and over again. Who the f**k cares if you changed +1 mystic enforcer for -1 STP. THE LISTS HAVE been the same for as long as LEGACY been around!!! Don't assume people have no clue about TIER 1.
I wanna talk about the path people don't tread over and over again. I wanna talk about decks that have been brushed under the carpet, I want to play stasis, heartbeat, turboland, stompy and opposition. I AM A CASUAL magic player. Besides if you can't have fun with your boys playin cards then what's the point. Last thing i wanna do i spend time on a forum getting snobish remarks because i'm not playing tier one lists.
For example, I had a perfect version of Canadian Thresh posted a while back and i received a comment from an angry troll the likes of: gawd your running 4 x force spike instead of 4 x spell snare.... that whole list is the absolute worst. Take note, that i had pretty much the winning tournament list down except for those 4 cards. He didn't ask why i have 4 force spike instead of 4 spell snare. Not at all. He didn't bother asking...
Anyways, just a thought.
It's time to have some good constructive posts on the quality of the moderators and support staff here at the source.
Anusien
10-08-2008, 12:24 PM
So why do you post your casual decks on a competitive forum? Many people use New and Development to, you know, try and develop new competitive decks.
jericohs@cottage
10-08-2008, 12:30 PM
What are you kidding me...
How many times do i see silly re-hashes of landstill or rock decks. They aren't development? Next, you'll get some kid like Cavius claiming he invented Nourishing Lich. Comon, are you serious.
So why do you post your casual decks on a competitive forum? Many people use New and Development to, you know, try and develop new competitive decks.
I think he is particularly talking about this thread (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10896) which is in Cavius' Casual Forum.
Peter_Rotten
10-08-2008, 12:32 PM
1. Stop being Cavius
2. What the hell are you talking about?
3. Wrong forum.
4. If you receive insulting PMs, then notify the mods. Also, block the user.
5.
http://www.psistar.co.uk/images/stopwhining.jpg
Nihil Credo
10-08-2008, 12:40 PM
I'm gonna do the "good cop" part this time, then.
Cavius' Casual Forum (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/Cavius%27%20Casual%20Forum) was recently created specifically as a concession to the fact that, even on a competitive site, people still want to discuss casual decks.
The rest of the Magic forums, however, are still dedicated to serious and competitive Legacy deck development. Those who do not like what this entails should either stick to the Casual forum, or move to other (http://www.magicdeckvortex.com) sites (http://www.casualplayers.org/) outright (http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131).
jericohs@cottage
10-08-2008, 12:43 PM
1. what!?
2. im talking about the flagrant disregard for people who wish to simply shoot ideas back in forth. why have these forums been subject to tier1 ism...
3. this post is in the wrong forum, lol
4. why bother.
5. blocked by websense? excuse me, but what's that about.
jericohs@cottage
10-08-2008, 12:46 PM
I'm gonna do the "good cop" part this time, then.
Cavius' Casual Forum (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/Cavius%27%20Casual%20Forum) was recently created specifically as a concession to the fact that, even on a competitive site, people still want to discuss casual decks.
The rest of the Magic forums, however, are still dedicated to serious and competitive Legacy deck development. Those who do not like what this entails should either stick to the Casual forum, or move to other (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/magicdeckvortex.com) sites (http://www.casualplayers.org/) outright (http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131).
see that's what i meant, i have to sit there reading yet another post on LANDSTILL or ROCK in the DEV FORUM... What anything else in testing is not worthy of being on the DEV. How many more noobs will post these re-hashed crappier versions of already tier 1 decks. That's why i'm wondering why your punishing people who actually come up with decks that have completely fallen off the map???
jericohs@cottage
10-08-2008, 12:49 PM
Anyways,
Thanks for finally taking the time to explain some things to me. But, I just don't see how you guys a sticklers for the rules when the DEV forum is nothing short of decks that are as consistent as piles of ...
Peter_Rotten
10-08-2008, 12:52 PM
see that's what i meant, i have to sit there reading yet another post on LANDSTILL or ROCK in the DEV FORUM...
No. You don't have to.
What anything else in testing is not worthy of being on the DEV. How many more noobs will post these re-hashed crappier versions of already tier 1 decks. That's why i'm wondering why your punishing people who actually come up with decks that have completely fallen off the map???
Seriously. What the hell are you talking about? I think you are complaining that ppl are posting new versions of Rock and Landstill in N&D. But, fuck, I can only assume.
Nightmare
10-08-2008, 01:15 PM
Lol Wut?
Race War
10-08-2008, 01:20 PM
My favorite and seems to be one of the more common responses to most new deck ideas is "Why don't you just play X?"
Captain_Morgan
10-08-2008, 02:27 PM
In comparison to Salvation, I think this site keeps it straight forward along with a better balance. Nothing is ever perfect though.
rockout
10-08-2008, 02:55 PM
This is getting good. /grabs popcorn
Pinder
10-08-2008, 03:02 PM
This is getting good. /grabs popcorn
http://msp221.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/thebitterlegion/Macros/Gifs/Jackson_popcorn.gif
And we have a forum named after Cavius now?
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/corbis/DGT075/friends-riding-banana_~CB047048.jpg
It seems to me that he posted it in the right section; however, I don't think that people trying to develop a deck to it's "greatest potential" in order to compete with the tier 1 is a problem.
People want - people are looking for new decks that can compete with tier 1 decks and I don't think that because people want this, that they should be at fault for suggesting cards that would help the deck as a whole.
Blablabla.....
For more important matters, we have a Cavius Forum now? Sweet!
Versus
10-08-2008, 03:07 PM
On the flip side, on the few occasions I decided to post a really rotten deck idea, I felt I was always met with completely tolerant replies. I've found everyone's opinions and advice here to be invaluable to my Magic life (HAHA, gay!). No one ever flamed me or said I was stupid. If they had, I probably would have agreed with anyway.
I still suck, but because of The Source, I suck a whole lot less!
For example, I had a perfect version of Canadian Thresh posted a while back and i received a comment from an angry troll the likes of: gawd your running 4 x force spike instead of 4 x spell snare.... that whole list is the absolute worst. Take note, that i had pretty much the winning tournament list down except for those 4 cards. He didn't ask why i have 4 force spike instead of 4 spell snare. Not at all. He didn't bother asking...
Anyways, just a thought.
It's time to have some good constructive posts on the quality of the moderators and support staff here at the source.
Okay first off, I was simple trying to help seeing as there was already a topic for UGW Threshold. You're basically just being a total ass about it, insulting people for trying to help you is the fastest way to have people just ignore what you say. I never said your list was the worst, just had room for improvement. If you didn't have any intention of improving the deck I wouldn't have even bothered replying. I suggest you take the suggestions of what everyone else is saying, quit crying
Sanguine Voyeur
10-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Let me try to decypher this post.
I have never had anything bad to say about this forum until a few weeks ago. When i found out that moderators of this forum rule it with an Iron fist and Sickel. Rather forthright, you think the moderators and administrators have too much power. And communism, I guess.
I was minding my own business contributing to posts when i received a reply from another member who's somewhat sarcastic and insulting statement was completely over the top... But to my amazement nothing happened...The moderators did nothing? So what ever; i called the guy a moron, jackass and what not. Proceeded to put the guy in his place and guess what? I receive a forum warning the next day.You were responded to by a post that you found inflammatory. Rather than report the post, you wait for it to fix itself. When nothing happens, you respond with flames and are surprised to receive a warning.
Have you noticed that some of these people take it a little too seriously...
Think about it, most of us that post in the dev or casual forums are there to have fun and discuss threads lightly.You think that posters take matters to seriously and at the same tome are interested in nothing but casual.
Not shoot down posts because the Tier1 decks would demolish it. Comon, where's the kitchen table part of the forum and where can i get away from dicks with pocket protector's telling me that my list can't beat counterbalance and pernicious deed.You can't handle criticism and you then assign negative stereotypes to others.
You then go on to call the moderators egotistical and 'self involved' and then you ramble on a bit.
That to me, is the insulting part. I don't need to talk about TIER 1, I have all the decks. I've played them over and over and over and over again.If you've played them ad nausea, why discuss them? Why go to a competitive Legacy forum?
Who the f**k cares if you changed +1 mystic enforcer for -1 STP. THE LISTS HAVE been the same for as long as LEGACY been around!!!No they haven't. The printing of new cards along with other innovations have evolved this format quite a bit. Tarmogoyf shook thinks up quite a bit, as did Life from the Loam and Empty the Warrens.
Also, The Source allows swearing, you don’t need to try to dodge the censor.
I wanna talk about the path people don't tread over and over again. I wanna talk about decks that have been brushed under the carpet, I want to play stasis, heartbeat, turboland, stompy and opposition.You can do that, but you will face criticism. The more persecution something faces, the stronger it can become. Listen to people's criticisms and you will learn.
I AM A CASUAL magic player. Besides if you can't have fun with your boys playin cards then what's the point.Again, why go to a competitive Legacy forum if you're primarily casual? We can have fun playing non-casual magic. Some people enjoy the competitive nature of gaming.
For example, I had a perfect version of Canadian Thresh posted a while back and i received a comment from an angry troll the likes of: gawd your running 4 x force spike instead of 4 x spell snare.... If you had a perfect version of a deck, why bother posting it? The perfect cannot be improved upon and you only give others strength by sharing your 'perfection.' Just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them a troll. They made a suggestion, how did you respond?
KillemallCFH
10-08-2008, 03:24 PM
My favorite and seems to be one of the more common responses to most new deck ideas is "Why don't you just play X?"And why shouldn't it be? When trying to make a new, competative (that is what The Source is for, you know) deck, that is one of the most important questions to ask. If your deck (Deck X) tries to accomplish the same thing as another deck (Deck Y), but does so with less success, there is no reason to play Deck X over Deck Y. Style points aren't going to win you tournaments.
Race War
10-08-2008, 04:03 PM
And why shouldn't it be? When trying to make a new, competative (that is what The Source is for, you know) deck, that is one of the most important questions to ask. If your deck (Deck X) tries to accomplish the same thing as another deck (Deck Y), but does so with less success, there is no reason to play Deck X over Deck Y. Style points aren't going to win you tournaments.
Maybe these theoretical decks have potential and don't take the exact same route as deck Y to accomplish the same thing (aren't all decks trying to achieve the same goal?). My point being we are talking about NEW and DEVELOPMENTAL decks, being shot down by people who's only constructive criticism is "Why not play Threshold?"
And why shouldn't it be? When trying to make a new, competative (that is what The Source is for, you know) deck, that is one of the most important questions to ask. If your deck (Deck X) tries to accomplish the same thing as another deck (Deck Y), but does so with less success, there is no reason to play Deck X over Deck Y. Style points aren't going to win you tournaments.
It's a lazy question. People who post a deck in N&D are (ostensibly) looking for suggestions on how to improve the deck or maximize its potential. New decks shouldn't have to prove they're Tier 1 or 2 or w/e before warranting discussion. Coming at them with "Why should I play this deck over Thresh/Landstill/Goblins?" is kind of a jerk-ass thing to do. As you can tell, it's a pet peeve of mine.
DragoFireheart
10-08-2008, 04:44 PM
And why shouldn't it be? When trying to make a new, competative (that is what The Source is for, you know) deck, that is one of the most important questions to ask. If your deck (Deck X) tries to accomplish the same thing as another deck (Deck Y), but does so with less success, there is no reason to play Deck X over Deck Y. Style points aren't going to win you tournaments.
Maybe there is no reason to play Deck X over Deck Y, but maybe it can beat the tar out of Deck Z. This is what testing is for: we take a deck, test it against the best and see how it fairs. I'm in the process of trying to make my scapeshift / cloudpost deck competitive. It might not be good, but we won't know of it's potential without trying it.
Posting comments like "use Thresh instead" defeats the purpose of every forum but the DTB forum.
KillemallCFH
10-08-2008, 06:00 PM
It's a lazy question. People who post a deck in N&D are (ostensibly) looking for suggestions on how to improve the deck or maximize its potential. New decks shouldn't have to prove they're Tier 1 or 2 or w/e before warranting discussion. Coming at them with "Why should I play this deck over Thresh/Landstill/Goblins?" is kind of a jerk-ass thing to do. As you can tell, it's a pet peeve of mine.You're right.
I'm just saying that when trying to create a new, viable deck, the question of "Why is this better than other options that exist?" should be in the back of your mind.
frogboy
10-08-2008, 06:07 PM
Style points aren't going to win you tournaments.
Yeah, usually you lose in the semis :<
N&D has a lot of decks that are pretty bad, but the people are actively trying to make them good. That's different from decks that are unconcerned with optimization.
xsockmonkeyx
10-08-2008, 06:11 PM
Lol Wut?
He's right, you know...
Bardo
10-09-2008, 12:01 AM
This has run its course. The Mods/Admins are not above reproach here. We're volunteers and want to see Legacy thrive as a serious, competitive MtG format. If you have qualms with the way a mod/admin has handled something, please PM that mod/admin. I'll add there is a delicate line between flaming and condescending, combative remarks that smell of flaming, but don't quite cross the line.
Anyway, this thread has devolved into pointless bickering on the casual / competitive mindset. Hijacked from the start. Locked.
Jericho@cottage, feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss.
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