Orim's Chant and suspend

[Maagler]

Is there a way you can cancel out a suspend card with orim's chant? If you play the cant before the counter is removed will the spell fizzle?


thanks in advance!

[Elficidium]

When they remove the last counter, the suspend spell will ask to be played, which will be impossible.
After this the suspended spell will continue to float around in the endless voids of the RFG zone.

[Anusien]

If they are effected by Orim's Chant any time before the second Suspend trigger (the "Play this card without paying its mana cost" trigger) resolves, they will not be able to play the spell when the last time counter is removed and the card will be removed from the game forever.

[Jaynel]

If they are effected by Orim's Chant any time before the second Suspend trigger (the "Play this card without paying its mana cost" trigger) resolves, they will not be able to play the spell when the last time counter is removed and the card will be removed from the game forever.

Is the card still suspended? If you used a Clockspinning to add another counter, would it come into play the following turn (barring another Orim's Chant)?

[Pinder]

Is the card still suspended? If you used a Clockspinning to add another counter, would it come into play the following turn (barring another Orim's Chant)?

Well, no, because Clockspinning requires that there be a counter on it in order to put another one on. Also, you wouldn't be able to target it because it wouldn't be a Suspended card anymore (the definition of 'Suspended' according to the game is a card with Suspend, removed from the game face up, with at least one time counter on it). But yes, it will still be removed from the game, and yes, if it somehow got another counter on it, it would return to being Suspended.

[Anusien]

Pinder has it 100% right.

Suspended: A card is "suspended" if it's in the removed-from-the-game zone, has suspend, and has a time counter on it.

[Maagler]

thanks for the quick response, I got the question after reading the TES tournament report.

[Arsenal]

Similar question re: suspended and cards/spells that disallow the suspended card to be played.

Chalice of the Void @ 0 counters versus an Ancestral Vision that just had it's last counter removed. I always thought that although Ancestral Vision has no casting cost, it does have a converted mana cost (as all cards do). It just so happens that Vision's converted mana cost is 0, thus being countered by Chalice of the Void @ 0.

Is this correct?

Also, Trinisphere versus an Ancestral Vision. When Ancestral Vision is played, does Trinisphere still apply?

[Elficidium]

Similar question re: suspended and cards/spells that disallow the suspended card to be played.

Chalice of the Void @ 0 counters versus an Ancestral Vision that just had it's last counter removed. I always thought that although Ancestral Vision has no casting cost, it does have a converted mana cost (as all cards do). It just so happens that Vision's converted mana cost is 0, thus being countered by Chalice of the Void @ 0.

Is this correct?

Also, Trinisphere versus an Ancestral Vision. When Ancestral Vision is played, does Trinisphere still apply?

Yes on both accounts.

[Arsenal]

Thanks, I was 99% sure that I was correct on both accounts, but my opponent was adamantly against the scenarios, so I started to doubt myself and I didn't have a specific rule to point to. Thanks again.

[Anusien]

Also, Trinisphere versus an Ancestral Vision. When Ancestral Vision is played, does Trinisphere still apply?
Yes. When the "play Ancestral Vision" trigger resolves, if you have enough mana in your mana pool to play it, you play it. Otherwise you have the choice of paying enough mana to play it or not paying and it says removed from the game with no counters.