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kilukru
10-24-2008, 06:54 PM
Be gentle this is my first real draft at a new deck, and its a stompy... so not really original

First the deck

// Lands
12 [SHM] Swamp (2)
4 [EX] City of Traitors
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb

// Creatures
2 [FUT] Tombstalker
3 [JGC] Phyrexian Negator
4 [FUT] Epochrasite
4 [MM] Nether Spirit

// Spells
2 [MOR] Bitterblossom
4 [MM] Unmask
4 [MM] Snuff Out
4 [US] Contamination
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [DS] Trinisphere

Goals : As all good stompy deck , get early disruption (3-sphere, chalice etc...) then swing with fat (stalker, negator).

Why does this deck exist? : Contamination + Nether spirit or Bitterblossom will mana lock an incredible amount of deck

Pro's
Classic's stompy pro's
contamination lock

Con
Unreliable
2 card mana lock VS 1 card moon effect for DS
Deck run on Card disavantage (chrome mox, Unmask)
No good way to find combo pieces

Some card choice :

All the stompy usual suspect : no comment

Epochrasite : easy turn 1 cast, can be sacc to contamination, great chump blocker

Snuff out : Great removal

Unmask : Got to back up critical spell's


I havent really tested the deck yet, and I dont beleive it will be really strong, but hey, it's kinda hard finding new thing that work around here :laugh: and beside, looks like fun! (was trying to find a non-stompy way of playing the lock but havent come bye anything....yet)

Jak
10-24-2008, 07:05 PM
Needs some more Bitterblossom since that is the only reliable way to sustain the lock. Nether Void seems lack luster and I would most definitely want BB over a 2/2.

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
2 Tomb of Yawgmoth
8 Swamp
4 Chrome Mox

4 Chalice
4 Trini
4 Unmask
4 Contamination
4 Equipment

4 Bitterblossom
4 Shriekmaw
4 Negator
More threats

Demon Stompy (you should probably check out that thread), would be amazing if there were some better creatures that had some synergy with the deck.

frenchy-man
10-25-2008, 04:32 AM
I've played the deck some months ago, and I used to play a different version.

First one of the best beatters for the deck is scuta phyrexian. It is so much better thant things like grinnig demon or plague sliver because it only cost one black to cast, and you'll loose less lives with scuta. What's more you can choose not to pay the kick cost of it.

I also think that stinkweed imp is very good in the deck. It kills others beaters, and is recursive. Flying allows him to be a serious beater when equiped.

Playing 4 bitterblossom is an evidence...

I used to play sthg like 3 jitte and 3 SoLaS. SoLaS are better than SoFaI because the deck looses lives very quickly, and the capa of bringing back dead creaure is also very powerful.

The pieces of lock I used to play were calices, trini, and tangle (and contamination). Tangle is very efficient with all the permanent in the deck.

idraleo
10-25-2008, 06:48 AM
The couLd run Liliana Vess as a perfect tutor, sweeper and alternative win con too. Liliana is amazing, why don' t you run it in 2/3 copyes?

rufus
10-25-2008, 12:34 PM
It makes the deck a bit more vulnerable to non-basic hate, but you could run RB with Goblin Assault as well as Bitterblossom, and also play smokestack.

Bitterblossom
Goblin Assault
Magus of the Moon

Contamination
Smokestack

Not sure if this has legs.

Captain Hammer
10-25-2008, 12:54 PM
I would play some tutors, more Bitterblossom, more Tombstalker, Duress, Innocent Blood, Smallpox in place of Negators, Unmask, Snuff Out and Trinisphere for sure.

And possibly Crucible of Worlds and Factories

Or possibly Thoughtseize + Reanimate.

Finn
10-25-2008, 01:14 PM
Isn't Nether Spirit going to be unreliable in a deck with so many creatures? Typically it is the only one. With Tombstalkers and Epochrasites, you may be able to manage things. But I think I would go down to 2 Spirits at most and exchange the Negators for Phyrexian Tomtems - or something like that.

Really not a bad 1st deck if you ask me.

scrumdogg
10-25-2008, 01:16 PM
It makes the deck a bit more vulnerable to non-basic hate, but you could run RB with Goblin Assault as well as Bitterblossom, and also play smokestack.

Bitterblossom
Goblin Assault
Magus of the Moon

Contamination
Smokestack

Not sure if this has legs.

This sounds like a neat idea, but how do you set up to take advantage of Moon effects? Or play your red spells when you get a Contamination lock (or your black spells when you get a Moon lock?). If the mana could be resolved, a deck like this could be a helluva lotta fun & redundant enough to force your opponent to have early answers (counters probably) or get shanked. The one problem I see even with an optimzed decklist is mono or 2color black based combo (ala Ad nauseum) which would ignore your efforts to control their mana. Thoughts? And how to stabilize a RB Stompy manabase?

kilukru
10-25-2008, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the imput i knew this deck was shaky but I just love to play with weird lock (been trying to do something playable with Mycosynth lattice and Null Rod too).
Rufus idea is pretty interesting, im gonna try to do something with it when i got a little spare time

In the meantime im starting to think transformational sideboard for mono B pox :

// Lands
4 [TE] Wasteland
12 [SHM] Swamp (2)
4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (3)
3 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

// Creatures
3 [FUT] Epochrasite
3 [MM] Nether Spirit
3 [FUT] Tombstalker

// Spells
2 [REW] Powder Keg
4 [OD] Innocent Blood
2 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
3 [5E] Pox
3 [FNM] Duress
2 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (1)
4 [B] Sinkhole
4 [TSP] Smallpox

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [4E] Dark Ritual
SB: 4 [US] Contamination
SB: 3 [MOR] Bitterblossom
+4 tutor but I cant find a good one, plundge into Darkness seem like the best one for the deck but im unsure.

thefreakaccident
10-25-2008, 05:35 PM
I know that this guy is weak, but he is a perfect fit:

Graveborn muse http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=135256


Another guy that I had once seen in a Deamon stompy build was stinkweed imp... he is not very strong, but annoying when you have equipment out (also beats goyf, which is an issue sometimes).

Captain Hammer
10-26-2008, 04:29 PM
Thanks for the imput i knew this deck was shaky but I just love to play with weird lock (been trying to do something playable with Mycosynth lattice and Null Rod too).
Rufus idea is pretty interesting, im gonna try to do something with it when i got a little spare time

In the meantime im starting to think transformational sideboard for mono B pox :

// Lands
4 [TE] Wasteland
12 [SHM] Swamp (2)
4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (3)
3 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

// Creatures
3 [FUT] Epochrasite
3 [MM] Nether Spirit
3 [FUT] Tombstalker

// Spells
2 [REW] Powder Keg
4 [OD] Innocent Blood
2 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
3 [5E] Pox
3 [FNM] Duress
2 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (1)
4 [B] Sinkhole
4 [TSP] Smallpox

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [4E] Dark Ritual
SB: 4 [US] Contamination
SB: 3 [MOR] Bitterblossom
+4 tutor but I cant find a good one, plundge into Darkness seem like the best one for the deck but im unsure.

AWESOME build.

It's just about perfect. The only thing I would change is...

Either play one more Crucible of Worlds, or play fewer Wastelands/Factories.

Otherwise, this build looks pitch perfect. Good work.

Shabbaman
10-27-2008, 07:56 AM
Isn't Nether Spirit going to be unreliable in a deck with so many creatures? Typically it is the only one. With Tombstalkers and Epochrasites, you may be able to manage things. But I think I would go down to 2 Spirits at most and exchange the Negators for Phyrexian Tomtems - or something like that.

Really not a bad 1st deck if you ask me.

Instead of Nether spirit you could try Nether traitor.