What Should I Play In My Metagame?

[Megadeus]

I would recommend not Delver.

[DeathriteSalmon]

Heading to GP Seattle this year and I am fairly new to the format. I am just unsure on how to call a meta at this point. What do you all predict and what do you suggest to take? I have Punishing Jund but I was thinking Elves with Bloom Moon sideboard or Storm...Am I on the right track?

[atosecond]

So haven't played legacy in almost 8 months and am currently abroad and happened to bring my legacy stuff with me and want to play in a local tourney. The top8s from the past 2 tourneys here have been:

2 DnT
1 Shardless
2 Miracles
1 Fish
1 MUD
1 Esper Stoneblade


1 Burn
2 Miracles
1 BUG Delver
1 4C Delver
1 Canadian Threshold
1 Grixis Control


Judging from sideboards there's a small amount of graveyard hate going around (only 2-3 decks have any graveyard hate and it's most commonly grafdigger's cage, only 1 RiP).

The 3 decks I have available to play are Omni-Tell; TES; and Reanimator. I get the impression that Burn shows up fairly regularly as there's a few chills floating in sideboards. Also more than a couple of Dread of Nights/Massacres which make me think DnT is common-ish as well.

[ESG]

@ironclad8690: BUG is what you want. Hymn away all those removal spells, and cramp their mana with Wasteland and possibly Sinkhole. Daze will clean up the rest. Nice four-drops ...

Ditto for the Mentor Miracles deck, which is basically just a worse version of Miracles in that MU. If you aren't running Sinkhole, then play Null Rod, Pithing Needle, or Winter Orb in the sideboard in order to shut off Sensei's Divining Top so their Mentor becomes just an overcosted 2/2. Mentor is only scary when they have double Top or are untapping with a bunch of lands in play and cantrips in hand. Vendilion Clique is strong against both decks. Consider having two or three copies somewhere in your 75.


@DeathriteSalmon: Wait for the banning announcement in a few weeks. If nothing gets banned, expect a lot of Delver decks, midrange blue decks playing Dig and lots of removal, Omni-Tell, Miracles, and Burn and Affinity players spilling over from Modern. If you're coming in without byes, then your first two rounds will be the Wild West, and you should be familiar with your deck so that you can gain percentage points there. If there are bannings before this GP, then the format will become more open, and I would expect Miracles to benefit most from a Dig banning.


@atosecond: Omni-Tell is probably your best bet. Decks have trimmed grave hate because the graveyard decks are simply not well-positioned. Dredge might have the raw power to exploit the reduction of dedicated hate, but Reanimator still is more of a spell-based deck. Deathrite Shaman is in most of the Delver decks nowadays, and Karakas is in D&T and a lot of Miracles lists. If you're a TES master, then come with your Abrupt Decays and expect to fight through some Flusterstorms. Personally, I would just run the best combo deck of the moment, which is, IMO, Omni-Tell.

[Deckerator]

I think of building slowly into a new deck. I have D&T or MUD in my mind. What do you think. Now that DTT is banned and Black Vise is back.
What can you recommend to me?

[Undomian]

Black Vise will likely have about as much impact on the format as Land Tax. Given your two choices, I think I'd rather play Death & Taxes. You at least get SFM, Ports, and Wastelands that way, whereas MUD doesn't get you much of anything toward other decks.

[Deckerator]

Given your two choices, I think I'd rather play Death & Taxes. You at least get SFM, Ports, and Wastelands that way, whereas MUD doesn't get you much of anything toward other decks.

I have already some cards for D&T like Wasteland, Stoneforge + sword package, Mother, Thalia, 2 Karakas.
The most expensive cards im missing are Vial and last but not least Rishadan Port.

I asked because i am not sure what will be better performing in the "new" meta. But i think it will be D&T?

[Barook]

I have already some cards for D&T like Wasteland, Stoneforge + sword package, Mother, Thalia, 2 Karakas.
The most expensive cards im missing are Vial and last but not least Rishadan Port.

I asked because i am not sure what will be better performing in the "new" meta. But i think it will be D&T?
D&T is more consistent and more fun to play.

Go with D&T.

[Windmill]

Mono-U Omnitell has essentially been banned, and now I am a refugee.

I want to play the best blue combo deck that exists that will exist in a competitive state (not necessarily always tier-1 but has the potential to be) for awhile to come.

What is it? Is it Sneak & Show or ANT?

[TheKingslayer]

Mono-U Omnitell has essentially been banned, and now I am a refugee.

I want to play the best blue combo deck that exists that will exist in a competitive state (not necessarily always tier-1 but has the potential to be) for awhile to come.

What is it? Is it Sneak & Show or ANT?

Sneak and Show will hand you a lot of free wins, but you'll struggle with the hate. I feel storm is the strongest and most versatile combo deck that exists in Legacy. Pilot beware: you'll defeat yourself a lot before you have put in enough time to comfortable navigate a long tournament with it. The deck is incredibly fast, resilient, offers a multitude of lines to play from, and can just wiggle itself into a win when you know what percentages to lean on. Put your best poker face on and keep your opponent guessing 'til the end. Storm is absolute power in the hands of a competent pilot.

[Windmill]

Sounds strong. But doesn't it just fold to certain decks, like MUD or DnT? It feels like Storm really struggles with hate too. What version of storm would you suggest?

[.Ix]

MUD is really hard unless you're running 2 Hurkyl's and 1 rebuild in the board like Caleb Scherer does. D&T can be beaten with Dread of Night, Massacre, Disfigure, even Sulfur Elemental.

[Bobmans]

Currently this is my local meta, what should be good call here?

ANT
BUG Delver
Shardless BUG
Dark Maverick
Goblin (Dragon) Stompy
Grixis Pyromancer
Infect
Miracles Helm+RiP
Miracles Thopter
MUD
Painter

[monovfox]

Not looking for a metagame choice, I'm really just looking for a blue deck to expand to. I like the intense decision making trees of Death and Taxes (if you haven't played the deck I swear the decisions are ridiculously difficult when you get good at it). I liked playing Dread-Still a few years back (got to play one tournament), but it was a pretty specific metagame choice to counter UWR Delver. If there is something as magical as that deck, I would definitely like to play it.

[Deckerator]

I need your help. My meta is full of Aggro Loam. What decks are good against it?

[Varal]

I need your help. My meta is full of Aggro Loam. What decks are good against it?

Comboish decks like Burn, Sneak and Show, maybe Aluren.

[Deckerator]

Thanks fpr your reply.
Is Reanimator an option, too?
Now i am unsure about playing Reanimator or Sneak&Show?

Whats better?

[death]

If Deathrite Shaman didn't exist..

You might wanna check the Omniscience thread(s) also

[Dutch253]

So let's say in an unknown metagame what do I build? I own:
Forces
1 JTMS
1 U-Sea
1 Tundra
Many modern staples.
I've been considering building Esper mentor but am worried it's too janky. I just want to build a good solid first legacy deck!


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[keys]

So let's say in an unknown metagame what do I build? I own:
Forces
1 JTMS
1 U-Sea
1 Tundra
Many modern staples.
I've been considering building Esper mentor but am worried it's too janky. I just want to build a good solid first legacy deck!


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I wouldn't say it's too janky. Esper Mentor and Stoneblade are both good decks, and the colour combination will always be powerful even when it's slightly out of favour (as it is at the moment).

UW(b) Landstill is another option. You could build something like this:

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
2 Flusterstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Ponder
2 Supreme Verdict
4 Standstill
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Karakas
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
2 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
3 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Plains
4 Island


Possibly splashing black for Engineered Plague/Toxic Deluge and Thoughtseize in the SB.

[Karhumies]

What would you play in an expected meta full of D&T, ANT and Miracles (+ a few random decks as 1-ofs)?

[Zombie]

What would you play in an expected meta full of D&T, ANT and Miracles (+ a few random decks as 1-ofs)?

Infect, Hymn-Lili BUG with SB CA engines, RUG with Sulfur Elementals, Elves with Caverns and shittons of SB combo hate, maybe?

[Dutch253]

I wouldn't say it's too janky. Esper Mentor and Stoneblade are both good decks, and the colour combination will always be powerful even when it's slightly out of favour (as it is at the moment).

UW(b) Landstill is another option. You could build something like this:

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
2 Flusterstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Ponder
2 Supreme Verdict
4 Standstill
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Karakas
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
2 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
3 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Plains
4 Island


Possibly splashing black for Engineered Plague/Toxic Deluge and Thoughtseize in the SB.

This looks interesting. I'll have track down a primer for this deck (or something similar).


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[Frogmite228]

Playing in my first big Legacy tourny this month(SCG). Budget is about 2k. I am trying to decide between:

Dredge - Love Comboish decks, afraid of maybe too much gy hate. I don't know how much is typical in Legacy.
Goblins - I just love goblins
Belcher - Combo is fun but not sure if it can win through any distruption.
Merfolk - Seems like a decent fair deck
Elves - Like the combo/aggro hybrid
12 Post - Slamming big things
White Stax - I like prison decks
Moggcatcher Red - Love the gameplan but is this any better than any other Chalice/3Sphere deck?
Affinity - Is this just a bad aggro deck in this format? Any roguish versions I could try?

Which of these is a good intro to the format? Any other suggestions? I think I would hate Miracles and most blue based decks. My friend is playing reanimator so want to avoid that.

[Demonic_Attorney]

Playing in my first big Legacy tourny this month(SCG). Budget is about 2k. I am trying to decide between:

Dredge - Love Comboish decks, afraid of maybe too much gy hate. I don't know how much is typical in Legacy.
Goblins - I just love goblins
Belcher - Combo is fun but not sure if it can win through any distruption.
Merfolk - Seems like a decent fair deck
Elves - Like the combo/aggro hybrid
12 Post - Slamming big things
White Stax - I like prison decks
Moggcatcher Red - Love the gameplan but is this any better than any other Chalice/3Sphere deck?
Affinity - Is this just a bad aggro deck in this format? Any roguish versions I could try?

Which of these is a good intro to the format? Any other suggestions? I think I would hate Miracles and most blue based decks. My friend is playing reanimator so want to avoid that.

Out of all of those foregoing decks that you listed, I definitely would not recommend 12 Post or Dredge since you're new to legacy and want to get introduced into the format and get familiar with other decks in the metagame. Indeed, Dredge and 12 Post can be complicated to played, take familiarity with other staple/ tier 1 decks in the format and take a lot of skill to play compared to a lot of other much easier decks in legacy to pilot. Since you don't like any blue base decks (delver variants are good format starters to get use to the legacy metagame), why not play death & taxes, burn or Jund?

[Frogmite228]

Out of all of those foregoing decks that you listed, I definitely would not recommend 12 Post or Dredge since you're new to legacy and want to get introduced into the format and get familiar with other decks in the metagame. Indeed, Dredge and 12 Post can be complicated to played, take familiarity with other staple/ tier 1 decks in the format and take a lot of skill to play compared to a lot of other much easier decks in legacy to pilot. Since you don't like any blue base decks (delver variants are good format starters to get use to the legacy metagame), why not play death & taxes, burn or Jund?

I think Delver would be fun to try. What are the major differences between the Delvers? I'll look into DandT also.

[Douif]

What should I play in a meta infested by Eldrazi, Chalice.Deck in general (MUD, stompy variant, merfolk with md chalice etc..) and D&T ?

[jrsthethird]

What should I play in a meta infested by Eldrazi, Chalice.Deck in general (MUD, stompy variant, merfolk with md chalice etc..) and D&T ?

Shardless seems where you want to be.

[Douif]

Shardless seems where you want to be.


Okay, thanks for the advise. :smile:

[ironclad8690]

What is the best possible deck that you guys can think of vs Merfolk?

My local metagame is really small and I usually do pretty well with Shardless BUG or BUG Delver, but things have gotten dicey.

Our local Merfolk player has been on the Chalice of the Void version and now has some Warping Wails in his maindeck, and Misdirections/Back to Basics in his sideboard. Getting Ancestral Visions/Hymn to Tourachs Misdirected is getting really old, so I want to play something that just completely crushes Merfolk (ideally you would want to not care about TNN, not play Islands, not play too many 1 drops because of Chalice).

Any suggestions?

[Dice_Box]

Dredge, Jund or Aggro Loam. Personally I love the sound of Grip, Deluge and Punishing Fire.

[ph88]

Honestly, I think fish has legs against dredge (sorry for the pun). Chalice @0 and chalice @1 are both live, and Cursecatcher being able to kill himself more-or-less on command is rough, as is Warping Wail.

[Lormador]

Stoneforge Mystic decks often do well against Merfolk. I remember playing DnT and generally feeling quite relieved to see them on the other side of the board.

[Wordslinger]

I just finished building TES a week ago, and two days ago all my duals got stolen from my deck. What deck do i play?

BTW, 3 of the people at my weekly both play legacy regularly and were at least recently on the pro tour, so playing dredge and hoping people are bad isn't an option.

Those duals were bought at canadian prices, on a budget of about $120 a month, after the post new jersey spike. I probably cant play blue ever again. help?

[tuxdev]

Just saying, your brother crushes me every time with 4x swords 4x decay 3x lily and "nonsense" (like our favorite large beast with ridiculous upside). Can't win if my fishies just can't stick.

[ironclad8690]

What is the ideal metagame for reanimator? Howbout bug stifle delver?

[Lormador]

I just finished building TES a week ago, and two days ago all my duals got stolen from my deck. What deck do i play?

BTW, 3 of the people at my weekly both play legacy regularly and were at least recently on the pro tour, so playing dredge and hoping people are bad isn't an option.

Those duals were bought at canadian prices, on a budget of about $120 a month, after the post new jersey spike. I probably cant play blue ever again. help?

If that happened to me, once I got over the initial anger and desire to quit Magic, I'd probably resort to playing the deck with shocklands (or proxies if just testing) and borrowing the duals I needed for tournaments from my friends.

On the one hand, I'm sure there would be sympathy for my plight, but on the other hand I don't know how much lending is going to happen in an environment where people are stealing.

[ironclad8690]

I just finished building TES a week ago, and two days ago all my duals got stolen from my deck. what do i play?

BTW, 3 of the people at my weekly both play legacy regularly and were at least recently on the pro tour, so playing dredge and hoping people are bad isn't an option.

Those duals were bought at canadian prices, on a budget of about $120 a month, after the post new jersey spike. I probably cant play blue ever again. help?

TES with Shocks for sure. TES is more capable of killing quickly and making the damage less relevent than ANT. The only thing is less cards from ad nauseam whem you have to go that route.

[Wordslinger]

TES with Shocks for sure. TES is more capable of killing quickly and making the damage less relevent than ANT. The only thing is less cards from ad nauseam whem you have to go that route.

i tried that while building it the first time. it turns out that the 2 damage from shocks is roughly equivalent to four cards off ad naus, making the primary kill condition extremely unreliable. you end up having to go for it quickly pretty much all the time, making the deck not much better than belcher.

[jrsthethird]

TES with Shocks for sure. TES is more capable of killing quickly and making the damage less relevent than ANT. The only thing is less cards from ad nauseam whem you have to go that route.

"When you have to go that route" is almost every game with TES. Shocks in ANT aren't much better, although you go for Past in Flames more there which may end up being better overall.

[Mezriss]

Looking to get into legacy with Reanimator or ANT (+TES +Dredge +Belcher).
Unfortunately I have a bit of a budget problem so:

my reanimator build will have only 2/6 duals (BTW, which splash color would you recomend?)
ANT will have LED, but no duals

I don't really have a meta yet, but I'm pretty much sure that I'll mainly see Miracles, Show and Tell and Death & Taxes on almost every tournament.

Given my expected opposition and budget omissions in decks - what would be better - to go the route of LED decks or just start acquiring Underground Seas for reanimator?

[iatee]

Straight U/B Reanimator with 2 U Seas seems way better to me than Storm w/ no Duals.

[Whit3boy316]

Hello,

I currently play shardless bug and im going through a rough phase with it now where i cant win for shit. I have decided to take the timw and make another deck betweem maverick or jund and wanted to get your guys's thought's.

My meta:
Infect(frequently play against)
D&t(frequently play against)
Miracles(frequently play against)
Goblins
Grixis delver
Storm
Hight tide(occasionaly)
Sneak and show(occasionaly)

Alluring parts to each deck:
Jund, I play jund in modern....always have, it would be natural to play it in legacy.

Maverick, mkther of runes, swords, stoneforge....ive never played white in legacy

Let me know your guys's thoughts on whichay or not be better for my meta

[Dice_Box]

I think if you want to pick one or the other, go Mavrick. You have more hate for decks like Sneak, Storm, Tide and Miracles with access to white. When you have access to black, sure you have have discard but its not the same as Containment Priest, Thalia and Gaddock. Also the best piece of disruption I feel Jund has is Chains and that is just too much money.

[ironclad8690]

I am actually going to say Jund given the decks that you most frequently play against, namely the punishing version. Maverick gets into really weird board standoffs with D&T, doesn't have enough interaction with Infect (for my liking anyway), and is downright unfavored vs miracles. You can get lucky with Teeg + Mom or Armageddon/Choke postboard, but Jund has a greater than 50% miracle matchup, mainly due to Bloodbraid, Dark Confidant, and Pyroblast.

I worry though because D n T should be roughly even to favorable for shardless as should miracles. Infect is unfavorable but you can get there (40 % in my experience).

[Whit3boy316]

I am actually going to say Jund given the decks that you most frequently play against, namely the punishing version. Maverick gets into really weird board standoffs with D&T, doesn't have enough interaction with Infect (for my liking anyway), and is downright unfavored vs miracles. You can get lucky with Teeg + Mom or Armageddon/Choke postboard, but Jund has a greater than 50% miracle matchup, mainly due to Bloodbraid, Dark Confidant, and Pyroblast.

I worry though because D n T should be roughly even to favorable for shardless as should miracles. Infect is unfavorable but you can get there (40 % in my experience).

I was actually playing with my buddy(miracles) yesterday and i would say i lost most the time when i played shardless. Im not sure why, most time i feel good. But he would wipe board, play jace and fuck me.....or top deck entreat for win

[Whit3boy316]

I think if you want to pick one or the other, go Mavrick. You have more hate for decks like Sneak, Storm, Tide and Miracles with access to white. When you have access to black, sure you have have discard but its not the same as Containment Priest, Thalia and Gaddock. Also the best piece of disruption I feel Jund has is Chains and that is just too much money.

Does punishing maverick play thalia...i thought they ditched those for some reason

[ironclad8690]

Usually they do put thalia in the board instead.

Only time I ever saw both main was when Ari Lax recorded some videos in cruise era.

How are you sideboarding vs miracles?

[Bobmans]

between maverick or jund

My meta:
Infect(frequently play against)
D&t(frequently play against)
Miracles(frequently play against)
Goblins
Grixis delver
Storm
Hight tide(occasionaly)
Sneak and show(occasionaly)


Sounds like Aggro Loam could get you going. It definitely got the juice to get going against the field. To the very least, it is exactly between Junk and Maverick ;-)
Infect and DnT are certainly interesting MU's. PFire will be very helpful here.
Miracles is a nice match-up, and folds to Chalice @ 1, as does Grixis.
Also Aggro Loam has access to the hatebears to battle combo, Ethersworn Canonist, Containment Priest, Thalia, Gaddock Teeg.
And on top of that, it runs its own combo with Knight of the Reliquary into DD/Stage.
The sideboard is highly tunable for your meta, since it has access to 4 colors it can get the best of all the colors.

[Whit3boy316]

Usually they do put thalia in the board instead.

Only time I ever saw both main was when Ari Lax recorded some videos in cruise era.

How are you sideboarding vs miracles?

To be honest, i consider myself very bad when it comes to boarding with shardless.

Of the top my head....
In: 2 golgari charm, vclique, puthing needle, grafdiggers cage, 2 pernicious deed, fow
Out: 2 hymm, 2 AV, 2 baleful.

Dont quote me on this im going on pure memory as i was testing my options yesterday. I will say Pdeed is great, dont know why more people run

[Whit3boy316]

Sounds like Aggro Loam could get you going. It definitely got the juice to get going against the field. To the very least, it is exactly between Junk and Maverick ;-)
Infect and DnT are certainly interesting MU's. PFire will be very helpful here.
Miracles is a nice match-up, and folds to Chalice @ 1, as does Grixis.
Also Aggro Loam has access to the hatebears to battle combo, Ethersworn Canonist, Containment Priest, Thalia, Gaddock Teeg.
And on top of that, it runs its own combo with Knight of the Reliquary into DD/Stage.
The sideboard is highly tunable for your meta, since it has access to 4 colors it can get the best of all the colors.

What you think about abzan stoneblade?

[Noctalor]

Isnt Aggro Loam the "meta version" of both Jund and Maverik?

[skyout]

To be honest, i consider myself very bad when it comes to boarding with shardless.

Of the top my head....
In: 2 golgari charm, vclique, puthing needle, grafdiggers cage, 2 pernicious deed, fow
Out: 2 hymm, 2 AV, 2 baleful.

Dont quote me on this im going on pure memory as i was testing my options yesterday. I will say Pdeed is great, dont know why more people run


As someone who plays Miracles, I fear Shardless BUG more than Maverick or Jund. I also think Shardless BUG is in general a better BGx deck than the other two. I would work on getting better with that deck (sideboarding, match-ups, etc) rather than trying to switch over to a whole new deck.

With that said, my preference would be Maverick if you're dead set on switching. I think you have a better match-up against the general field. Maverick is awesome against combo (teeg can sometimes give you free wins game one against ANT) and has game against the fair decks, whereas Jund usually just loses to combo but has a better game against fair decks.

[btm10]

To be honest, i consider myself very bad when it comes to boarding with shardless.

Of the top my head....
In: 2 golgari charm, vclique, puthing needle, grafdiggers cage, 2 pernicious deed, fow
Out: 2 hymm, 2 AV, 2 baleful.

Dont quote me on this im going on pure memory as i was testing my options yesterday. I will say Pdeed is great, dont know why more people run

Cutting Vision against Miracles is almost certianly wrong. You win by running them out of answers (or, much less frequently, by brutally smashing them with Tarmogoyfs if they stumble) and killing with whatever you have left, and Vision is the best way to keep gas in the tank. I don't think Cage pulls its weight in that matchup, eiher. I think you just need more practice with Shardless, as it's quite well positioned right now.

That being said, 4c Loam is probably where you want to be if you're torn between Maverick and Jund and aren't feeling the blue apects of Shardless. Its better against Miracles, Lands, and ANT, while being slightly worse against Eldrazi, TES and Sneak and Show and comparably good against Delver and other fair blue decks. It's way worse against Belcher. Neither is particularly strong against Reanimator.

[ironclad8690]

Cutting Vision against Miracles is almost certianly wrong. You win by running them out of answers (or, much less frequently, by brutally smashing them with Tarmogoyfs if they stumble) and killing with whatever you have left, and Vision is the best way to keep gas in the tank. I don't think Cage pulls its weight in that matchup, eiher. I think you just need more practice with Shardless, as it's quite well positioned right now.

That being said, 4c Loam is probably where you want to be if you're torn between Maverick and Jund and aren't feeling the blue apects of Shardless. Its better against Miracles, Lands, and ANT, while being slightly worse against Eldrazi, TES and Sneak and Show and comparably good against Delver and other fair blue decks. It's way worse against Belcher. Neither is particularly strong against Reanimator.

Yeah, my boarding plan with Shardless vs Miracles always involves trimming a couple of cards here and there (-2 Baleful Strix, -2 Thoughtseize) and adding more impactful cards (1 Pithing Needle, 1 Null Rod, 1 Sylvan Library, 1 Vendilion Clique). If you don't play Thoughtseize you can trim the 1 Toxic Deluge and maybe an Ancestral (not more than 1 though) or the 3rd Hymn (it is good vs Miracles but you don't really want to draw them in the lategame when they are hellbent).

You could also make an argument for cutting a Deathrite Shaman or Tarmogoyf, but I haven't been a fan of this recently.

[Bobmans]

Isnt Aggro Loam the "meta version" of both Jund and Maverik?

More or less, depending on how well one knows how to pilot the deck. This deck has a pretty nice game on most of the field and is very flexible.


What you think about abzan stoneblade?

I find the deck a pretty solid choice, especially in the current Eldrazi era. The deck reminds me of MTG of yore. Very neutral choice in an unknown meta. But in playstyle a little bit to linear for my taste. Coming from mainly Survival of the Fittest i tend to choose decks with a toolbox/combo'ish playstyle, hence, Maverick, Aggro Loam, NicFit.

[ESG]

What you think about abzan stoneblade?

Here's the thread for that deck. BTW, it's known as Junk or The Rock. You could probably call it Dark Maverick and get away with it, but calling it Abzan Stoneblade is a total noob move: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?19432-Deck-The-Rock

[Whit3boy316]

Here's the thread for that deck. BTW, it's known as Junk or The Rock. You could probably call it Dark Maverick and get away with it, but calling it Abzan Stoneblade is a total noob move: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?19432-Deck-The-Rock

Lol sorry.....back in my day "the rock" was spirit monger, im just going off this list

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=99984

[jawa]

Punishing maverick sorta faded away when miracles was introduced. Jund is more consistent than Aggro Loam though.

Aggro loam has better answers for certain matchups but it suffers from inconsistent draws (mox diamond acc. into few threats, no life from loam when u need it)

[monovfox]

Picking up NO RUG, though I'm struggling to find a 75 I like. Daze feels weak (but it's in Reid Duke's list so I can't immediately discount it), and I want to fit in scavenging ooze or trygon predator (maybe both?). Suggestions on countermagic and any tweaks to this 75 would be nice

3 Tarmogoyf
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Ponder
3 Daze
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Force of Will
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Sylvan Library
4 Brainstorm
4 Natural Order
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
1 Taiga
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Progenitus
2 Spell Pierce
1 Chain Lightning
SB: 1 Bonfire of the Damned
SB: 1 Umezawa's Jitte
SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 1 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 1 Sylvan Library
SB: 2 Kitchen Finks
SB: 2 Grim Lavamancer

[MindsDesire]

Considering picking up ANT to play at a shop with the following decks:

Grixis Delver
Maverick
Show and Tell
Lands
Eldrazi Stompy

I was playing Miracles for a while but it didn't fare too well. Any suggestions, or should I be playing something else entirely?

[Tormod]

Punishing maverick sorta faded away when miracles was introduced.

A common myth. It was the printing of deathrite shaman that really did Kotr in. If it was just miracles, then Maverick would still be around and just have a bad match up.

[iceagedisenchant]

Hi all. New to the forum and just getting into Legacy, so looking to brush up a bit. Can anyone help by letting me know if there is a big ol' chart or something out there that cross references the MUs? What is good v what etc.? Rough percentages (as accurate as they ever can be!).

I have been settled on RUG delver for some months now, but I am considering my options for other decks and just wanted a bit more format knowledge.

Thanks in advance!

[ESG]

Hi all. New to the forum and just getting into Legacy, so looking to brush up a bit. Can anyone help by letting me know if there is a big ol' chart or something out there that cross references the MUs? What is good v what etc.? Rough percentages (as accurate as they ever can be!).

I have been settled on RUG delver for some months now, but I am considering my options for other decks and just wanted a bit more format knowledge.

Thanks in advance!

Hi, Iceagedisenchant. I can't think of any singular chart that plots out matchup percentages. Legacy is quite broad, after all. You might leaf through the Established Decks and the Decks to Beat sections. Many of the opening posts for each deck lists good and bad matchups, sometimes with approximate win/loss percentages. Feel free to probe for updated data by asking people for impressions of a matchup, although sometimes you'll receive conflicting opinions on which deck is favored. You'll also want to spend some quality time in the RUG Delver/Canadian Threshold thread: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27776-Deck-Canadian-Threshold-(aka-RUG-Delver-Tempo-Thresh)

[iceagedisenchant]

Thanks for the reply. I was kind of expecting that answer, but it is good to get it confirmed. Cheers again.

[Theonlyone]

Hello, I wonder what to play in my metagame for fnms. My community usually plays : miracles/MUD without Eldrazi cards/Storm/sneak and show x3/random delver (grixis or 4c delver) and one last player switching between storm/elves.
If I play Delver, I usually get crushed by MUD and Miracles whatever the sb cards :mad: . If I play Miracles, I get crushed every time by MUD or storm and when I play Shardless, I almost always lose to Sneak and Show/storm or elves :cry:.
I have the pool to play Shardless, any Delver deck and any miracles deck without moat. Which deck would you suggest and why?:smile:
Thanks for the help.

[jwl3gg]

I'm looking to buy into a non blue, oh those duals :frown:, tier 1 or 2 deck to go along with my BR Reanimator. I currently have a bayou, 3 Badlands, playset of Windswept Heath, Bloodstained Mire and Wooded Foothills to work with, and a budget of $1000 ish. Here's my current meta.



Meta:
Sneak and Show
Burn
Shardless BUG
Eldrazi and Taxes
Miracles x2
Infect
Lands
U/R Delver
Enchantress
Grixis Delver
Tin Fins
B/R Reanimator
Belcher
Turbo Depths
Mono Red Sneak

[Richard Cheese]

Ok I haven't played any Legacy in like 6 months, and not seriously since about this time last year. GP Denver is coming up this weekend and I'm not sure what to play. I've got a bunch of staples hanging around as long as they aren't from the last few sets. Usually I lean towards big dumb aggro decks. Past successes have come from Junk, Zoo, Maverick, BW D&T, and I'll always have a soft spot for old school Jund Aggro Loam and of course TinFins, although I've never done that well with either at a large event. Winning isn't really a big deal as long as I'm having fun with the deck, but this is going to be at a shitty hotel near the airport with nothing interesting nearby, so I'd like to at least be semi-competitive. I'm wondering if there are some spicy brews floating around that I don't know about?

[meffeo]

I'm attending a 1K this weekend, expected meta would be BUG, Lands, Loam, DD, Miracles, Derpdrazi.

My weapons of choice are

Grixis Delver
Bug Delver (Stifle / Hymn version)
LED Dredge
UB Reanimator

Any suggestion on something spicy?

[Sygmad]

Hello everyone, I quite new to playing legacy even though I've been watching the format for quite some time now, currently I've played Led-dredge in local tounaments a couple of time but my metagame is filled with deathrite shaman and surgical extraction so it is not a good metagame call ^^, Anyway i'd like to build a new deck that would be budget at first to be able to play but upgradable to something more powerful in the long run . My metagame is composed of a lot of Miracles and BUG variants (from delver to True name/leovold and more control-ish types) there is also some burn, Storm and grixis delver.

Thanks for your advices ! :smile:

[walked]

For me it's been some time since I've been active in legacy; my shop mostly does modern.

However, I am in the Legacy seat for my team for the November SCG Team Open. As such, I need to turn my attention back to legacy for the summer/fall.

I'm looking for a deck that I can start jamming and grinding MTGO leagues as well as local smaller events (wont be as often, as I'll have to travel a bit).

I'm more concerned with a deck I can know the ins and outs to, and be competetive with in November. Budget is not an issue; I already own playsets of most duals and will be fine to pickup whatever I need. I've been dabbling with Dragon Stompy on MTGO this week to become reacquanted with the format; but I think the deck is too high variance to bank on in November.

[apistat_commander]

For me it's been some time since I've been active in legacy; my shop mostly does modern.

However, I am in the Legacy seat for my team for the November SCG Team Open. As such, I need to turn my attention back to legacy for the summer/fall.

I'm looking for a deck that I can start jamming and grinding MTGO leagues as well as local smaller events (wont be as often, as I'll have to travel a bit).

I'm more concerned with a deck I can know the ins and outs to, and be competetive with in November. Budget is not an issue; I already own playsets of most duals and will be fine to pickup whatever I need. I've been dabbling with Dragon Stompy on MTGO this week to become reacquanted with the format; but I think the deck is too high variance to bank on in November.

Jam something with a defined shell that plays Brainstorm and Force of Will if you are concerned about variance. Right now the metagame is in flux, so it is hard to say what it will look like in November. A Delver variant should remain competitive, as well as potentially some form of Stoneblade but that deck has not settled into new configuration for this meta. You could also just jam a deck that rewards lots of practice like storm or something that offers free wins backed up with countermagic like Sneak and Show.

[Claymore]

Grixis Delver is probably your safest bet, it can be adapted with Stifle, Hymn, Therapy etc depending on how the meta shifts as you move to November.

[walked]

Grixis Delver is probably your safest bet, it can be adapted with Stifle, Hymn, Therapy etc depending on how the meta shifts as you move to November.

Thanks; this was certainly on my list of considerations. I realize the meta is askew at the moment but want to do my best to get meaningful play with at least a loose archetype before November. :)

[studderingdave]

Thinking about coming back into Legacy because my local scene is finally latching on (oddly enough after i stopped playing Legacy to move into Vintage). I tend to play fair creature decks and I avoid blue largely. I played Death and Taxes for a while but I am unsure how it will shake out long term despite the recent win at GP Vegas. I am opting into Nic Fit, as a deck i have been eyeing up for a while. I built into a standard Junk build that I am enjoying. I like the Punishing Jund version as well but I am unsure about that general shift into Jund over Junk in regards to the weakness of both decks (quick combo). What am I looking at in regards to general meta in the legacy scene? It has been over a year since I have played in any events. Looking to jam vintage at EW and I need to decide if its worth getting reps in for legacy. Assume I am in Junk regardless, but a general meta breakdown would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[thefringthing]

Deciding to build Nic Fit because you don't think Death & Taxes is good is some pretty interesting reasoning.

[studderingdave]

Let me clarify. I am not against running Death and Taxes at all. In all honesty I should be running it because I have ~3 years of experience with the archtype. I know a red or black splash is optimal at the moment (I read Phil's articles on Thraben University). I am really just looking for a current meta breakdown now that top is banned.

[thefringthing]

Mono-White Death & Taxes won GP Las Vegas and is doing fine on MTGO. I think the need for a splash colour has been very overstated.

[studderingdave]

i thought so. i think i am overthinking the elves matchup.

[hjalte]

After having sold of a big chunk of my collection, I am looking for a deck to build, which I will hopefully be able to keep and use for quite some time. I am looking for a deck which somehow fits the following criteria :

1. A control / prison deck. Maybe with combo elements.
2. Should be relatively easy to tweak to almost any meta game
3. Some cross-over opportunity to modern is a plus. As it seems most people in my area plays this inferior format :wink:

I have previous been playing ultimate walker, miracles, death and taxes, Quinn and lots of control brews.

What I have been considering is 8Tezz or the new predict miracles. Do you think this would fit the above criteria, or do you have better suggestions?

Budget is not a problem.

[studderingdave]

Perhaps the all in red/red prison deck suits your tastes. Control elements are plentiful with blood moon/chalice and ensnaring bridge mixed with turn 2/3 Koth or Chandra. I also believe the deck has applications in the aforementioned inferior format as well ;)

[Karhumies]

I am looking for a deck which somehow fits the following criteria :

1. A control / prison deck. Maybe with combo elements.
2. Should be relatively easy to tweak to almost any meta game
3. Some cross-over opportunity to modern is a plus. As it seems most people in my area plays this inferior format :wink:

I have previous been playing ultimate walker, miracles, death and taxes, Quinn and lots of control brews.

Budget is not a problem.

Chalice @1 deck sounds like a good fit.

Monored Stompy, example deck list:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15949&d=298173&f=LE

Alternative monored stompy with Smokestack:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15830&d=297157&f=LE
Transforms into Modern Free Win Red / RW Nahiri control.


Eldrazi & Taxes (Eldrazi with Thalia and potentially Mystic and/or Punishing Fire thrown in):
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16036&d=298721&f=LE
Has some pieces of RW Nahiri control as well, but not as many. Has the RW color scheme, though.

RW Nahiri control example deck list:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16064&d=298915&f=MO


Even more niche:
Foretold stompy:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31787-Deck-Foretold-Stompy

Transforms into Modern Restore Balance control.

[jmlima]

I play solely on MTGO (leagues), got substantial experience playing the game even if I'm an average player, some experience of legacy.

Taking into account affordability, preferences, etc, I have made a shortlist (below) and would appreciate some advice on what you guys think would be best (from the below!) for the MTGO leagues:

GB Depths (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-g-b-depths#online)

Elves (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-elves-24420#online)

UR Delver (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/635051#online)

Eldrazi (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-r-39152#online)

Burn (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-burn-32699#online)

Soldier Stompy (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-wu-39348#online)

Portless D&T (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-w-39113#online)

Thanks for any help!

[ESG]

Bumping this thread. Most of these decks seem reasonably positioned. I don't have a lot of faith in Soldier Stompy. My top choices would be Elves, Burn, Turbo Depths, and UR Delver. I don't play MTGO, so perhaps someone else can give jmlima a recommendation.

[ironclad8690]

Many of the decks in the leagues have been Grixis Delver and Czech Pile, so I think Burn might actually be the best budget deck to play right now.

Edit: So here is my situation. Maybe you guys can help me out.

Through the years I have played quite a few decks. I played Zoo from legacy's inception until it became apparent you had to play Maverick if you wanted to succeed against the growing power of combo. After that, I kept playing Maverick until TNN came out, at which point I switched to Jund (after a few poor tournament performances at SCG Opens). I continued playing that until Treasure Cruise, and then I swore to only play blue for the rest of my legacy career (after hitting another low-point in tournament results). I bought into Grixis Delver, and played that until DTT got banned. I switched back to BUG Delver/Shardless, as those appeared to be the best positioned. At this point, I experienced the greatest amount of MTG success I have ever known, top 8ing an SCG Classic and placing well at a couple "Duel for Duals" type tournaments. After the banning of Top, Grixis once again cemented itself as the best delver deck.

Here is where I currently stand (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lAMwFApcYVyNIk81ta64K-zhfXGu-SAbRTd8JgBtYtE/edit?usp=sharing). I have played BUG delver for about 2 years and I feel good with the deck, if not phenomenal about it's position in the meta. I would also like to buy in to MTGO, ideally with the same deck as I have in paper so that I can get some practice in (I only get a chance to play paper about once every two months, and I want MTGO to increase my practice). Unfortunately, I don't think this is a reality as my collection outside of BUG is 2 Trops, 1 Scrubland, 3 True-Name, a few other medium priced cards that I could sell, but in "dealer money" I could probably only get about 400-500 dollars (need $1000 at least for BUG Delver, 800 for a sub-optimal budget version).

My goal is to find something to play that will have longevity. I am afraid to buy into more grindy removal-based decks, because they are always changing. This year 4c is still the hotness, but I guarantee something will replace it in about a year or two. This type of deck will always exist in some form, but it is too hard to keep up. Instead I have several "paths":

1) The Daze path. I would likely have enough money to buy into Grixis in both paper and online if I sell most of my extra staples. I feel very confident that a "Daze deck" will always exist in this format, and they are probably my favorite archetype to play because I like aggro-style strategies (as long as they can win).

2) The UW Control path. I feel as though this shell of cards will always be strong, and they will never ban any card from it in the forseeable future. I am confident there will always be at least a tier 1.5 UW control deck in legacy. Will have enough to put this together in paper and online if I sell my bug staples.

3) The "bankroll" path. Pick a relatively cheap deck (Storm, Death and Taxes, Elves, Jund, Reanimator, Eldrazi, BUG Aluren) that would allow me to have a large bankroll on MTGO for plenty of practice (even if I suck and don't do very well in the first bunch of leagues).

4) The "stick to your guns path". Just keep playing BUG in paper, and continue practicing on suboptimal free programs like Cockatrice with more fringe decks and people who quit after game 1. Not ideal, but maybe the smartest path to preserve the value of my collection. Maybe slowly re-invest into MTGO, finishing my deck after 2-3 years.

Another consideration is that I really want to be able to play in some of the LGSs close to me, and they only have modern tournaments. If I have a paper deck that is pretty close to a modern deck, I would get a chance to play in more paper tournaments.

Has anyone else been in this sort of position? Is what I am thinking to do unwise? I just need someone to help mentor me and my collection goals.

Sorry for the long post, thanks for reading!

Edit: crap sorry for the epic necro guys.

[Sinkhole]

Hi Guys,

back into Legacy and now I want to build a new deck. In the past I have played Storm for a long time, but I am getting a bit tiered of it and want something new to try. I really enjoy Combo in general, so I thoughted of building up Sneak and Show. But I am not sure how good it is in the current meta with all the D&T, Eldrazi, and Delver Decks. So would you consider Sneak and Show still as a Tier1 to Tier 1.5 deck, where just the meta isn`t the best for it, or isn`t as good in general anymore? So is it a good investion in the long term, or should I spend my money for another deck. Have thoughted of Grixis Delver but everyone plays it :wink: Thanks for help!

Greetz

[ironclad8690]

Hi Guys,

back into Legacy and now I want to build a new deck. In the past I have played Storm for a long time, but I am getting a bit tiered of it and want something new to try. I really enjoy Combo in general, so I thoughted of building up Sneak and Show. But I am not sure how good it is in the current meta with all the D&T, Eldrazi, and Delver Decks. So would you consider Sneak and Show still as a Tier1 to Tier 1.5 deck, where just the meta isn`t the best for it, or isn`t as good in general anymore? So is it a good investion in the long term, or should I spend my money for another deck. Have thoughted of Grixis Delver but everyone plays it :wink: Thanks for help!

Greetz

Sneak and Show will always be good. It has a better D&T matchup now thanks to Omniscience in the maindeck, and it is still fine against Delver and UBxx control. It is amazing against like 60% of the meta (Prison decks, Lands, Elves, Aggro Loam, etc).

Something a little frustrating about it is the bad Reanimator and Dredge matchups though. That said, I think it is a fine deck to choose and some version of Show and Tell will always be capable of performing well at any size tournament.

[Sinkhole]

Thank you for your assessment ironclad8690.
After an excessive tasting of Sneak and Show I have decieded that it isn`t "my" Deck. It`s to much dependant on the key cards and it`s really hard to play against Hate and Discard. Also 8 Counters weren`t often times enough to win the counter war. Overall i didn`t feelt comfortable with that deck. So often I didn`t find the right piece of the combo and lost without doing anything. Another reason that I would not like to play Sneak and Show is that all the games were similar without much thinking and interaction with my opponent. That will start to bore me really soon I think. Further is the cardpool very limited. I don`t know any other deck I would like to play with that kind of cardpool.
So I have decieded to play Grixis Delver. It feelt very comfortable to me and it fitted my personal play style better. I liked the high redundancy over the combo and with ANT I just have a combo deck readdy to play. Also from the cardpool of Grixis Delver it`s easy to go on put Bug and Canadian togheter. I think it`s the better choice or I am totally wrong?

Greetz

[ironclad8690]

Sounds like Grixis Delver would be a better fit for you. And it's not too hard to build into other stuff as well :)

[Sinkhole]

Yes that`s the point.
Further from my ANT I have most of the needed Duals. For Grixis I only need a 3rd Sea and 1 Volcanic and I am not forced to buy cards for a high amount of money like city of traitors, for which I haven`t another use. Most of the games were very difficult to win with SnS. I think Grixis is the stronger and better choice even in the aspect of a reasonable long term investment. So now I only have to hope that the Shaman doesn`t get knocked out by the ban hammer :tongue:

[Crispy_Gbolin]

I am also new in Legacy and I am in the same boat as Sinkhole. I also sway between building up Grixis Delver or Sneak and Show. But I tend a bit more to Sneak and Show, because I prefer the combo style a bit more over tempo and storm combo is to difficult for starting I think. But is Sneak and Show really that bad? It isn`t played that often like Delver but it regulary goes Top 8 and Sneak and Show should have a few matchups were it is totaly in favor, were Grixis is just most of the time 50/50 against most of the field. So is it worth it to invest in Sneak and Show or is Grixis Delver a more solid choice?

[CarlosTiberioJr]

Hi guys,

This is what I had in the last metagame breakdown in a nice tournament I played.

Storm/TES - 5
Grixis Delver - 4
UWx Miracles - 4
SaS - 4
Burn - 3
Elves - 3
Dredge - 2
Goblins - 2
BR Reanimator - 2
DaT - 1
MonoR Stompy - 1
Lands - 1
MUD - 1
Aggro Loam - 1
Maverick - 1
Soldier Stompy - 1
RUG Delver - 1
MonoU Show and Tell - 1
BG Depths - 1
Cephalid Breakfast - 1
BUG Delver - 1
Eldrazi - 1
Shardless BUG - 1
Steel Stompy - 1
UW RiP - 1
UWx Stoneblade - 1

With this in mind and going forward to the next event, what should be a good list to play on that ? I'm a Control/Midrange player at heart...

Thanks for the help ! :)

[jmlima]

Slightly random question. What do you guys think of playing a RUG shell, composed of the blue stuff, adding to it snapcaster and oyf, plus a splinter twin / deceiver 'gotcha' combo? Would this work in MTGO?

[Sinkhole]

Hey guys,

I need a little bit of help for deciding which deck i better should build as my second. First I wanted to build up Sneak and Show but the prices of Volcanics and City of Traitor had highly increased in the last months, so now I have to spend again 1300 $ ot build the deck together. As an alternate I came to Bu Reanimator. It would me only cost 500 $ because most of the cards i have laying arround. So do you think Bu Reanimator would be a decent choice again after the DRS ban (or maybe better choice) instead of Sneak and Show?

[walked]

So I'm trying to figure out what to jam my time and effort into post-DRS world. I was on Clashed's Punishing Dack list prior to the bans; his new builds have been neat but havent pulled me as hard.

I've been jamming some Nic Fit and Maverick in the interim; mainly because theyre fun to play - but theyre not as viable as I'd like in a SnS/Miracles meta.

My LGS is pretty meta representative - Miracles/SnS/Canadian Thresh/Storm/etc

Budget isnt a concern. Have access to pretty much all duals / common RL pieces. I'd like to find something that has enough of a ceiling that there's value in jamming additional reps on MTGO.

Help

[Yeaux]

So I'm trying to figure out what to jam my time and effort into post-DRS world. I was on Clashed's Punishing Dack list prior to the bans; his new builds have been neat but havent pulled me as hard.

I've been jamming some Nic Fit and Maverick in the interim; mainly because theyre fun to play - but theyre not as viable as I'd like in a SnS/Miracles meta.

My LGS is pretty meta representative - Miracles/SnS/Canadian Thresh/Storm/etc

Budget isnt a concern. Have access to pretty much all duals / common RL pieces. I'd like to find something that has enough of a ceiling that there's value in jamming additional reps on MTGO.

Help
I've been on the same search and I keep waffling between the following: 4c Loam, Grixis Control, Esper Stoneblade, and Miracles. I like the play style of Grixis Control and 4c Loam the most. I think Esper Stoneblade is underplayed at the moment though.

[walked]

I've been on the same search and I keep waffling between the following: 4c Loam, Grixis Control, Esper Stoneblade, and Miracles. I like the play style of Grixis Control and 4c Loam the most. I think Esper Stoneblade is underplayed at the moment though.



Same line of thinking!
I've got 4c Loam and Esper "sleeved up" on MTGO right now. Still feeling it out though; 4c Loam hasn't impressed but I REALLY wanted to like it. The search continues

[Miscanthus]

Hello everyone,
Starting to get back into the game after not having played in quite a while (since well before the probe/DRS bans), and I'm curious to know people's thoughts on what an "ideal" deck would be for a local metagame loaded up with chalice/blood moon prison decks, a contingent of delver decks of various types, and a smattering of Miracles.

[Megadeus]

Hello everyone,
Starting to get back into the game after not having played in quite a while (since well before the probe/DRS bans), and I'm curious to know people's thoughts on what an "ideal" deck would be for a local metagame loaded up with chalice/blood moon prison decks, a contingent of delver decks of various types, and a smattering of Miracles.

4 Color Loam maybe with Goyfs? I know you said blood moon decks, but you can beat a moon deck as long as you pack enough hate.

[kinda]

Hello everyone,
Starting to get back into the game after not having played in quite a while (since well before the probe/DRS bans), and I'm curious to know people's thoughts on what an "ideal" deck would be for a local metagame loaded up with chalice/blood moon prison decks, a contingent of delver decks of various types, and a smattering of Miracles.

Nourishing lich or Paul wall aggro imo.

[walked]

Hello everyone,
Starting to get back into the game after not having played in quite a while (since well before the probe/DRS bans), and I'm curious to know people's thoughts on what an "ideal" deck would be for a local metagame loaded up with chalice/blood moon prison decks, a contingent of delver decks of various types, and a smattering of Miracles.

I feel like Goblins might have a place there. Sure Chalice on 1 on the draw hurts a bit; but you've got game against most of that field.

[Miscanthus]

I feel like Goblins might have a place there. Sure Chalice on 1 on the draw hurts a bit; but you've got game against most of that field.

I was actually considering goblins as well.

Thank you everyone for the responses.

[Miscanthus]

4 Color Loam maybe with Goyfs? I know you said blood moon decks, but you can beat a moon deck as long as you pack enough hate.

Definite possibility. I hadn't thought of this...

[malekith]

What of these three decks do you think could be more competitive : 4 COLORS LOAM / TIN FINS DEPTHS / BG LOAM POX? Thank you in advance.

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[schweinefettmann]

So my meta consists of like ~12 people on any given legacy night:
2-3 lands
1-2 4c loam
1-3 miracles
1-2 UW stoneblade
1-4 grixis control
1-3 Wx DnT
1 goblins
me on either painter (U stompy, imperial, shortcake, daretti spaghetti.. dependant on what i feel on the day) or solidarity.

What sort of deck would actually be suited to a meta like this? it's a pretty nutty control/grindfest heavy craziness, and they all give me the stink-eye when i whip out solidarity.

Any ideas what i should try to focus on (amongst decks i have or decks that share a similar DNA)?

[Hanni]

So my meta consists of like ~12 people on any given legacy night:
2-3 lands
1-2 4c loam
1-3 miracles
1-2 UW stoneblade
1-4 grixis control
1-3 Wx DnT
1 goblins
me on either painter (U stompy, imperial, shortcake, daretti spaghetti.. dependant on what i feel on the day) or solidarity.

What sort of deck would actually be suited to a meta like this? it's a pretty nutty control/grindfest heavy craziness, and they all give me the stink-eye when i whip out solidarity.

Any ideas what i should try to focus on (amongst decks i have or decks that share a similar DNA)?

0 combo decks? Kind of looks like a good meta for Burn. Or any deck that preys on fair decks, basically.

[LOLWut]

My friend's looking to get into Legacy because he hates creatures and this is the only competitive format that scratches that itch. What other decks should I suggest to him besides Miracles, ANT, TES, Lands, Pox, High Tide, Enchantress, and Doomsday?

[jmlima]

Wondering if anyone could help with an opinion, I saw some interesting decks, that are quite cost effective on MTGO and that have shown some results. Fully appreciate they are not T1, have holes, will fail against something, but I'm wondering if they are pure dross or actually have something favourable going for them:

Nic-Fit: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=21401&d=343222

RG Titan Post: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-rg-titan-post#online

GWU Enchantress: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=21493&d=344039

Elves: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1877998#online

Thanks.

[Raizen884]

My friend's looking to get into Legacy because he hates creatures and this is the only competitive format that scratches that itch. What other decks should I suggest to him besides Miracles, ANT, TES, Lands, Pox, High Tide, Enchantress, and Doomsday?
Lands, UW RIP Helm, Belcher, MonoR Storm. He can also do like Stax based on artifacts or on Moon Stompy that works also. Hoogland also played a superfriend deck, that can be a good choice today, with innocent blood and control cards + planeswalkers.


Wondering if anyone could help with an opinion, I saw some interesting decks, that are quite cost effective on MTGO and that have shown some results. Fully appreciate they are not T1, have holes, will fail against something, but I'm wondering if they are pure dross or actually have something favourable going for them:

Nic-Fit: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=21401&d=343222

RG Titan Post: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-rg-titan-post#online

GWU Enchantress: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=21493&d=344039

Elves: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1877998#online

Thanks.


I think elves is extremely powerful, but as one of the hardest decks to play in legacy, I would try it out before to see if you really like its play style. Enchantress is also a great deck, but I would wait on the Narset hype to calm down a bit to play it.
The titanpost seems like a port from modern, I can't give much an opinion if it will do well XD, and Nic Fit has been proved as being a consistent legacy deck enough to see result.

[Lava Snacks]

Yo, what decks do you think are good against UWr Mentor Control?

[ESG]

Yo, what decks do you think are good against UWr Mentor Control?

That deck is kind of a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. It's more about the sideboards and flex slots than anything else. Cloudpost decks and Eldrazi decks destroy it in the absence of Back to Basics. Graveyard combo decks destroy it if the pilot skimped on graveyard hate. Enchantress destroys it if there are no Narsets. Burn has a good matchup. Nic Fit can go over the top. Elves is probably favored if there aren't multiple copies of Terminus to sweep the board.

[mistercakes]

Play the opposition deck. I redesigned with the full intent of beating miracles.

You have to work for your wins, but there are plenty of tools and backbreaking cards for the deck.

[jmlima]

In this new age of ever changing metagames, driven by the latest bomb printed of the latest set, what is the general consensus (if there is one) of the decks that are less likely to be seriously impacted and that tend to continue afloat irrespective of the waves surrounding them? (this keeping in mind that the metagame to be considered is mtgo)

Thanks.

[MrFrowny_]

In this new age of ever changing metagames, driven by the latest bomb printed of the latest set, what is the general consensus (if there is one) of the decks that are less likely to be seriously impacted and that tend to continue afloat irrespective of the waves surrounding them? (this keeping in mind that the metagame to be considered is mtgo)

Thanks.

Well mtgo is weird because it's affected differently than paper magic. Mtgo rides hype trains more because the cards are cheaper, for instance I play against a form of Underworld Breach at least 1-2 a league while never playing against it in paper. That aside, the decks I'd assume won't be effected are: delver variants, storm, and reanimator. Other decks that will probably be solid are: stoneblade variants, UW control, Depths variants, and random combo stuff.

[H]

UR Delver (plus or minus X) is generally a good bet, where X is probably Black but maybe Green.

Aside that, pretty much up in the air, except maybe also Miracles as next best.

[jmlima]

Thanks guys!

[Whoshim]

I'm about to go to a local store here for the first time (I moved close to it at the start of the pandemic, then it shut down). They posted the last two tournament results, and the players brought the following:

Burn
Infect
Reanimator

UW Stoneblade
UR Delver
Echo Breacher

12 Post/GW Depths
Nic Fit

I plan on running Dredge. However, my boys want to play (I introduced them to Magic during the pandemic). I think I can scrape together some subpar builds of the following (the store allows for 15 proxies):

Burn
Goblins
Elves
Pox
Eternal Life
Storm
Doomsday
Oops, All Spells
8-Walla Madness

I am not sure what else. What two decks do you think would be the best fit for the meta? Thanks!

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I'm about to go to a local store here for the first time (I moved close to it at the start of the pandemic, then it shut down). They posted the last two tournament results, and the players brought the following:

Burn
Infect
Reanimator

UW Stoneblade
UR Delver
Echo Breacher

12 Post/GW Depths
Nic Fit

I plan on running Dredge. However, my boys want to play (I introduced them to Magic during the pandemic). I think I can scrape together some subpar builds of the following (the store allows for 15 proxies):

Burn
Goblins
Elves
Pox
Eternal Life
Storm
Doomsday
Oops, All Spells
8-Walla Madness

I am not sure what else. What two decks do you think would be the best fit for the meta? Thanks!

How old are your boys? Probably Elves, Gobbos, or Burn

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Yeah, I agree. Elves and Gobbos are fun, powerful, and pretty forgiving of misplays.

[Whoshim]

They are 10 and 12. I proxied some Legacy decks to play with me to introduce them to the game, so they are pretty familiar with a number of archetypes. Then they started wanting their own cards, and we have played more Commander. My oldest can play most decks competently, but neither are very familiar with sideboarding.

Elves and Goblins sound good. Do you think that Goblins is stronger against this meta than Madness? I am not sure how the matchups go, but I was thinking Madness would be stronger.

Thanks for your replies.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

They are 10 and 12. I proxied some Legacy decks to play with me to introduce them to the game, so they are pretty familiar with a number of archetypes. Then they started wanting their own cards, and we have played more Commander. My oldest can play most decks competently, but neither are very familiar with sideboarding.

Elves and Goblins sound good. Do you think that Goblins is stronger against this meta than Madness? I am not sure how the matchups go, but I was thinking Madness would be stronger.

Thanks for your replies.

I think madness hasn't been good since before your boys were born.

[Purple Blood]

Madness actually got way better with MH2:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-madness#paper

That being said, I don't think its a generally great deck for children being that it is essentially a combo deck.. You have to aggressively mulligan, be able to read your lines well in advance, call a lot of triggers, and execute relatively complicated sequences properly.

[jmlima]

With the ever changing of formats, what's a good investment right now for the future in MTGO?

Some kind of blue shell? UR Delver I assume... You cannot go wrong with that one can you?...