[Deck] Dreadfast

[Ironstickman]

Hi guys, I just wanted to know your opinion about this strange deck which I've come up to. It is basically an idea to play dreadstill in a tempo-ish way, and has also quite a few similarities with the recent Team America (actually I copy pasted the sideboard).
First of all, the list:


// Lands
3 [R] Underground Sea
3 [ON] Flooded Strand
3 [ON] Polluted Delta
3 [R] Tropical Island
4 [TE] Wasteland
1 [R] Bayou

// Creatures
4 [RAV] Dark Confidant
4 [MI] Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf

// Spells
3 [TSP] Trickbind
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [NE] Daze
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [SC] Stifle
4 [LRW] Ponder

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 4 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 4 [DK] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [TE] Diabolic Edict

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Please don't jump at the fact of playing petals. It might not be worth it, and that's what I'm trying to determine.
The basic strategy is to overrun with nought and tarmo, but the deck counts with a very resilient card in dark confidant, which refills your hand (in a similar way as standstill does in dreadstill).

Petals give quite an explosive approach to the deck. While t1 nought is not too probable (requiring 3 cards), t1 confidant, t1 brainstorm/ponder-thoughtseize are quite usual and powerful plays. They are quite good in terms of mana fixing, specially against Moon/waste decks etc.

7 stifle effects might be too much,(fear having a useless nought in hand :rolleyes: )
Thoughtseize is the only 'removal' and fullfills the role of avoiding StP etc.

One of the things that concerns me (regarding the deck) is the fact that we count with no hard removal (TA has snuff out at least). Tarmogoyf stalemates are something to be avoided, (lackey comes to mind aswell). I dont know wether it should be a sideboard or a maindeck's change, probably mind harness has a place in the SB, but I'm not really sure of cards like smother or g.demise in the maindeck.

Possible sb:

2 Krosan Grip
3 Mind Harness
3 Hydroblast
3 Tormod's crypt
2 Trygon predator
2 Diabolic Edict

EE?

Finally just a comment on how awesome cantrips are at assembling the nought combo or at 'redesigning' your hand. (something a bit obvious, but must be said)

So, if anyone has got an idea for improving the deck (making it more stable etc) or for SB please feel free to comment. By the way, do you think a similar deck is viable without petals (and I'm not refering to dreaded-fish which is anohter strategy-concept) or you should play dreadstill better? If so, how would it look?

Thanks!

[Xanthophobia22]

god damn it why didn't you just post this in the dreaded fish forum or something? its just dread fish with lotus petal, which isnt that good... maybe chrome mox or better yet mox diamond and up the land count

Look - I'll rewrite your post without the nasty:

This list seems very similar to Dread Fish. Why not post it this list in that thread? Although Dread Fish doesn't play Lotus Petal, it's very similar. Maybe you could play Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond with a higher land count.

Keep it civil and use your shift key.

-PR

[Ironstickman]

oK sorry, I wasn't aware that the dreaded fish played with the 4 noughts, I was accostmend to builds with counterbalance/trinket mage and just one nought to tutor. It seemed to me that the deck concept was different enough to open a new discussion. It is not so, so it would be appropiate to move it to that thread (if possible).

As for, moxes, chrome eats up a card and gives just one colour, whereas diamond (and adding lands) is dilluting your strategy. I accept however, that petal might not be good enough, but it fits better.

Sry again.

[Atwa]

god damn it why didn't you just post this in the dreaded fish forum or something? its just dread fish with lotus petal, which isnt that good... maybe chrome mox or better yet mox diamond and up the land count

I guess you can keep the moderating to the people who were appointed to do so: The Moderators. I you feel a post is out of place, report it. And also clean op your swearing and capitalization, or Ironstickman won't be the only one with a message from the staff.

About the deck:

In an aggro-control deck, giving up card-advantage for temporary speed isn't a good thing. There is a reason why Lotus Petal isn't played that much any more. I feel playing 2 more land and 2 more control spells should really help this deck out.

I'm not sure about the rest of the list. But I guess I'll write it up on MWS and give it a few games.

Just a question, what was your goal when building this deck? Was there something you didn't about Dreadstill or Dreaded Fish you didn't like what lead you to this development, or did you just wanted to make your own version of the deck?

[Ironstickman]

Well, the idea came a little bit from everywhere:

Playing against NQsurvival I realised how powerful a t1 confidant was, and in here it gives a lot of stability. It is less conditional than standstill aswell (I'm not discussing if dreadstill should run it but for this deck the choice is clear)
It draws removal to himself etc.

I also wanted to win with nought before giving chance for grip, (and here TGZ works quite well), perhaps dreadstill is slower although it has potent control elements in balance.

I was trying aswell to avoid the 'friction' between tarmogoyf-stalker or really stalker-stalker. It is true that there are times when you have 2 noughts in hand, but again the clock is twice as fast if you manage to play one. Stalker is great, but is droped t4-5 (t3?) while dreadnought has won by that time. (It is true, however, that it is easier to deal with nought than stalker).

After taking a look at the fish thread, it can be nice to play v.charm instead of trickbind to increase the probability of t1 combo. Yes, normally petal is a bad card for the aggro-control decks, but these 'broken' t1 plays are sooo seducing! XD!