So what's it going to take?

[Gibbie_X]

All right, so what's the pattern here...?



10/4/08 - Denkcentrum Utrecht, Utrecht, The Netherlands
10/5/08 - Iserlohn, Germany
10/8/08 - Quiemada Paris
10/12/08 – Tarmogeddon, Asti, Italy
10/12/08 - Bourgoin Jallieu, France
10/12/08 - Trader-Liga Duelmen, Germany
10/18/08 - 5 Year Source Anniversary
10/18/08 - La Maquina del Temps
10/19/08 - Dragons League
10/19/08 - GP Paris 2008 Legacy Side Event.
10/19/08 - Legacy League Moscow, Russia
10/19/08 - Hassloch / Germany
10/26/08 - Ancient Memory Convention, Akihabara, Japan
10/26/08 - Liga Valenciana de Legacy, Spain



I want to know, what sort of purse do you think would lure us lazy Americans to a Tournament in Cincinnati? A central enough of a hub to get someone to come. I precursor to Chicago.

What if I said I could get you a nut-buster rate:eek: , fine ass hotel:cool: , lunch :laugh: included? What would it take, a Mox? a Lotus? Mad Cash? Hell, I'll throw in dinner.:wink:


If I was going to do it, and I have half the means to pull it off, I would do it []D ][ [\/] []D style...

Package deal includes -

A Room at the Hyatt Regency hotel Special Rated: 2 guest $100, 1 $70
Access to breakfast, Champs Restaurant, and Downtown Cincinnati
Entry Fee - $50; includes Snack Bar Rounds 3 - X(dependent on attendance)
Mox Jet and Sapphire
Product and Merchandising


What do you think?



Hey, saw you were in Cincy and thought I'd mention that we're having an event in Columbus on the 28th-- check the tournament forum for more info here!


Thought I'd throw that in, let you stew, what would all think about just having a snack table at a tournament, available rounds 3 - X, all you can eat?:eyebrow: all you pay is an extra $15 into the tournament, and not have to worry about the hunger pains.

[DalkonCledwin]

Package deal includes -

A Room at the Hyatt Regency hotel Special Rated: 2 guest $100, 1 $70
Access to breakfast, Champs Restaurant, and Downtown Cincinnati
Entry Fee - $50; includes Snack Bar Rounds 3 - X(dependent on attendance)
Mox Jet and Sapphire
Product and Merchandising


What do you think?

If it is a precursor to Chicago, I would have to know when it is proposed to be taking place, as well as why you are charging more for the Entry fee to the precursor tournament than the Grand Prix itself is going to charge for its entry fee?

P.S. If the extra price for the snack bar is only 15 dollars and the entry fee is 50 dollars, that means the actual entry fee is about 35 dollars... that is about 5 dollars over the maximum entry fee for a Grand Prix... you better be expecting about 200 more people than the average U.S. Grand Prix normally gets to make that price worthwhile...

[Gibbie_X]

The cost of a normal tournament that I have been to around me have never ranged higher than $35, and that was maximum prizes too. I posted a little more in my first. If I'm Suppose to write up there EDIT, sorry I didn't. If you are coming, think of this. Pay $40, turn out of 100 people. Have this snack bar away from the tournament, set tables aside for eating only. Healthy food and all you can eat, until it runs out of course.

[DalkonCledwin]

I am sorry, but the average Legacy Tournament (at least that I know of) costs between 3 dollars for extremely low level events (as in 8 to 20 people) and 20 dollars for the higher tier events (as in 21 to 50 people) and ranging as high as 30 dollars for the exceedingly high tier events, such as Grand Prix's (51 people and up). I have never heard of a tournament charging people over 40 dollars for entry... much less including a snack bar in that entry fee.

To add to this, I just asked around, and according to one of them, such a price is literally "Dumb as hell"

To top it off, your prize support isn't all that great... you at best have prizes for the top-2 placers.. but what do the other members of the top-8 get?

[FoolofaTook]

As a general answer to "what's it going to take?" probably the likelihood that 100+ players will show up to play. Good regional tournaments can draw with a 32+ player guarantee and the prize support that generally acompanies that level of attendance. The Off The Wall Games tourneys in Hadley, MA draw 32+ all the time, ranging up to nearly twice that, and they draw from as far away as Syracuse.

To get me to spend the $300 it's likely to take to attend a tourney in Cincinnati (and the day driving out there and the day driving back) I need to know that it's going to be a huge event with a solid 12 hours of play involved (11am to 11pm on the tourney day) and decent sized side events if I scrub out in the main event.

Basically it's not a lot easier for me to attend a tourney in Ohio from my home base in eastern Connecticut than it is to go to Gencon or one of the other big venues that is likely to produce at least one 100 person Legacy event during the time I'm there. It's cheaper by a bit, given that hotels are at a premium at the big conventions but the time invested is fairly similar.

Europe, BTW, is much smaller than the US and has much better and cheaper public transportation available. This is why Europe is such a paradise for Legacy competition. It's really easy to draw from a similar sized population in a much smaller overall geographical area with much more efficient ways to get around.

[Brad Herbig]

I would definitely go to any Legacy event in Cincinnati, considering I'm not far from there now and I have family there. If it is over Christmas break timeframe, that would be awesome.

[bigbear102]

Snackbar is useless. Put the tourney near a decent resturant for after tourney dinner, and near some cheap fast food for lunch.

Also, 100 bucks for 2 ppl is not reasonably priced. Magic players as a whole are not looking for luxury in their accommodations, they are looking for the most number of beds for the cheapest price.

Take this into account, the source tourney gave out 40 duals to first place, with ridiculous support down to 8th. The prize drew a lot of people, but it would not have been nearly as large without it being a special event and promoted so heavily. Charging a lot more for a top prize worth anywhere from one fifth to one third is not going to do much.

If you want big turnout up the prize, do away with the snack bar, get more than one hotel to give a decent rate (one nice hotel and one cheap hotel), and lower the entry fee.

[Gibbie_X]

I am sorry, but the average Legacy Tournament (at least that I know of) costs between 3 dollars for extremely low level events (as in 8 to 20 people) and 20 dollars for the higher tier events (as in 21 to 50 people) and ranging as high as 30 dollars for the exceedingly high tier events, such as Grand Prix's (51 people and up). I have never heard of a tournament charging people over 40 dollars for entry... much less including a snack bar in that entry fee.


3 dollars for a Legacy Tournament? Brother, I've NEVER seen tournaments THAT cheap. Ofcourse we are in two completely different areas of the country, so that may have an effect. We do have $5 tournaments, but the prize pool ends up being nine or ten packs. How much are your State's tournaments? Nationals is expensive as hell. The last two GP's I went to were over $30, and when you add the over priced snack food they had there, if anything, you were spending $45.
Granted, some people bring there own food.

Boost the prize then. Power Nine, or a box of every set, excluding alpha and beta.


I would definitely go to any Legacy event in Cincinnati, considering I'm not far from there now and I have family there. If it is over Christmas break timeframe, that would be awesome.

http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12088

Come to that one, I'll be there.

[Brad Herbig]

http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12088

Come to that one, I'll be there.

That looks good, I might show up. Thanks!