G/W Midrange Stompy-Geddon (could this work?)

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

So... I'm sort of looking to the community to see if y'all think this idea is competitive, but damn, I think it would be fun. The idea is to use a light Stax-esque lock suite like Chalice of the Void, Crucible of Worlds (plus Wasteland), maybe Trinisphere, maybe Smokestack itself, and combine it with a strong army of green and white creatures that cost three mana or more... unless they're Tarmogoyf, he's a possibility. Oh yeah, and also, I want to play Armageddon... Or maybe Cataclysm instead.

The main issue with this deck is whether or not it can reliably get enough colored mana to play its creatures early. I want to use the standard Stompy mana acceleration of Ancient Tomb + City of Traitors + Mox Diamond... And I really think the deck needs Wastelands to recur with Crucible... So I think all of the rest of the land should produce colored mana. This is the main issue I'm concerned with. I really like Horizon Canopy as a two-of... or maybe more. I really like the draw engine with Crucible.

There's an embarrassment of cool creatures to choose from though: Exalted Angel, Argothian Wurm, Tarmogoyf, Imperious Perfect, Kitchen Finks, Loxodon Hierarch, Eternal Witness, Mystic Enforcer (maybe), Wilt-Lief Liege (maybe), etc.

Also, with all those pimp mid-range creatures, we'd do well to add some Jittes, and maybe some S.o.F.I. I see this deck playing a little like a green-white version of The Rock crossed with Angel-Stax...

Also, maybe Garruk...? Or Elspeth?

So, am I just crazy, does this deck idea just have too many inherent mana issues trying to go sort of two-color Rock/Stax, or is there anyone out there that also thinks this shit sounds like a pretty fun idea?

[AngryTroll]

You can splash green in Death and Taxes for Tarmogoyf, Gaddock Teeg, and possibly Watchwolf.

Armadillo Cloak is awesome with Cataclysm- you get to keep a land (and sac Flagstones), an artifact (Jitte or Vial), an enchantment (ORing or Cloak), and then you wreck your opponent's lone Goyf and one Tropical Island.

That doesn't have the Stax feel you describe, but does have a proven deck to work from. Gaddock Teeg and Goyf may be worth the second color.

Questions for that: Is Gaddock Teeg better than True Believer? What should the ratio of these be?

Which spot does Goyf take? Silver Knight?

Armadillo Cloak, or no? It's a possibility.

[dude 666]

I came up with a G/W D&T deck a while ago, lemme see if I remember what it looked like.

Definetely had:
4 Vial
3 Isamaru
3 Karakas
~2 Eternal Witness
3-4 Flickerwisp
2-3 Stonecloaker
2-3 O-ring
4 Goyf
3 Teeg
2-3 Mangara
2-3 Flagstones
4 Savannah
4 Serra avenger
4 Swords to plowshares
X Plains
4 Windswept heath
1-2 Flooded Strand

Maybe:
X Jitte
X Wasteland

That's just a rough outline of what I remember, but it worked pretty well, just something to consider.

[Moczoc]

Some days ago I developed a deck that fits your description quite good. It's a stupid W/G Midrange aggro deck that plays no 1 mana card. Instead a chose the Chalice way with the help of ESG and Chrome Mox.



"Kiddie Stompy" (because only newbies play midrange W/G aggro)

Creatures
4 Watchwolf
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Spectral Procession
4 Exalted Angel
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege

Spells
3 Chrome Mox
3 Sylvan Library
3 Hoofprints of the Stag
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Krosan Grip

Lands
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Savannah
2 Nantuko Monastery
1 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
7 Plains

Sideboard
4 Armageddon
4 Wickerbough Elder
4 Swords to Plowshares


There are many interesting Synergies implented, like:

Liege + S. Procession
Hoofprints + Sylvan Library
Hoofprints + Horizon Canopy
ESG can beat with Jitte in Lategame
Liege + Goyf.. for Goyf duels (which are often nowadays)
Liege + Monastery
Exalted + Library
Library + Fetchlands
Monastery + Jitte (first strike)
...

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

Some days ago I developed a deck that fits your description quite good. It's a stupid W/G Midrange aggro deck that plays no 1 mana card. Instead a chose the Chalice way with the help of ESG and Chrome Mox.



"Kiddie Stompy" (because only newbies play midrange W/G aggro)

Creatures
4 Watchwolf
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Spectral Procession
4 Exalted Angel
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege

Spells
3 Chrome Mox
3 Sylvan Library
3 Hoofprints of the Stag
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Krosan Grip

Lands
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Savannah
2 Nantuko Monastery
1 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
7 Plains

Sideboard
4 Armageddon
4 Wickerbough Elder
4 Swords to Plowshares



@Moczoc: This is a decent list, it provides a good jumping-off point. Personally, I'd move Armageddon to the maindeck, maybe using Cataclysm also... And I'd use Crucible of Worlds instead of Hoofprints of the Stag personally, along with Wasteland over Nantuko Monastery... And Mox Diamond instead of Chrome Mox... I think Argothian Wurm is good enough that he should be considered also, because he has a huge body, plus trample, plus his drawback is actually more of a threat to the opponent, if you're running Armageddon and Wastelands alongside the Wurm... But that's just sort of the direction I'm trying to take the deck in.

Basically, the path I'm trying to take is to accelerate towards getting an oversized threat on the table, hopefully playing Chalice @ either 1 or 2, and then playing Armageddon... Although actually, I'm pretty inclined to tweak the deck to run 4 Cataclysms, just because it will hit their board position way harder. I'm not really sure what the right number of Crucible of Worlds to run is, because I'm not considering it a dedicated Stax deck, more just a W/G Chalice Stompy.

Here's a (very) rough sketch of what my deck idea looks like:

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Argothian Wurm/ Exalted Angel (?)
4 Imperious Perfect/ Eternal Witness/ Wilt-Leaf Liege (?)
4 Loxodon Hierarch (?)
4 Kitchen Finks (?)

4 Chalice of the Void
2-4 Crucible of Worlds (not sure what the right number would be)
2-4 Armageddon (ditto)
2-4 Cataclysm (ditto)
2-4 Engineered Explosives (ditt0)

2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Armadillo Cloak (if I run 4 Cataclysms)

4 Mox Diamond
4 Wasteland
2 Horizon Canopy
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Windswept Heath
4 Savannah
+Basic Lands

*No real idea what the sideboard looks like, because as you can see I'm not really sure about the maindeck yet. Some problems I have are that I'm not totally sure on some of the creature slots, and there are too many non-basic lands that I want to use... I'd appreciate feedback. I'm willing to believe this just isn't really a very awesome deck idea, but I'm just putting it out there.

[bigbear102]

I wouldn't run more than 3 Argothian Wurms. If you draw 2 and don't have Armageddon/Wastelock then it's a dead draw.

I would say that Teeg has to be in the deck, along with maybe True Believer, as it will force combo to deal with more than just Artifacts, I'd throw out something like this:

4x Mox Diamond
3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
4x Savannah
4x Wasteland
3x Forest
2x Plains
2x Horizon Canopy
4x Windswept Heath
2x Nantuko Monastery

2x Gaddock Teeg
3x Argothian Wurm
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Exalted Angel

4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere
2x Crucible of Worlds
1x Life from the Loam
3x Armageddon
1x Cataclysm
3x Sylvan Library

Maybe there are too many colorless lands, but Teeg is the only card that is uncastable on Savannah/Heath/Diamond and X. Angel can at least be morphed.

The deck really needs removal though, or at least Jitte. Maybe Cataclysm would be better than Geddon for this reason.

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

I'd throw out something like this:

4x Mox Diamond
3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
4x Savannah
4x Wasteland
3x Forest
2x Plains
2x Horizon Canopy
4x Windswept Heath
2x Nantuko Monastery

2x Gaddock Teeg
3x Argothian Wurm
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Exalted Angel

4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere
2x Crucible of Worlds
1x Life from the Loam
3x Armageddon
1x Cataclysm
3x Sylvan Library

Maybe there are too many colorless lands, but Teeg is the only card that is uncastable on Savannah/Heath/Diamond and X. Angel can at least be morphed.

The deck really needs removal though, or at least Jitte. Maybe Cataclysm would be better than Geddon for this reason.

Looks pretty solid for the most part... I don't really see the reason everyone seems to think Sylvan Library is so awesome for this deck though. The combo with Words of Wilding is sort of cute, but I think Words is a pretty inferior threat. Someone please tell me: why Sylvan Library?

I like Gaddock Teeg though, at least for the sideboard, and especially if we can work in some sort of creature enhancement... I think Armadillo Cloak might actually be right for this deck if we can cram in enough creatures to put it on... Or Rancor, if Cloak turns out to be card disadvantage... The thing about Gaddock Teeg though, is that he shuts down our lock pieces that cost more than three, Chalice of the Void, and Armageddon. Ultimately, I don't think Teeg is maindeck for this deck because he shuts down too many of our cards.

About Armadillo Cloak VS. Jitte: Basically I look at it like this: if the deck runs Armageddon and not Cataclysm, equipment makes more sense, but if we run Cataclysm, a creature enchantment lets us keep an enhanced creature, a lock piece, and a land, so the creature enchantments have a higher potential reward than equipments with Cataclysm... Although they're way more unwieldy to use.

Also, I don't see too much reason for the singleton Life from the Loam... To second guess artifact hate or something? Doesn't seem as good as Crucible in this deck to me, but who knows.

[Moczoc]

Looks pretty solid for the most part... I don't really see the reason everyone seems to think Sylvan Library is so awesome for this deck though. The combo with Words of Wilding is sort of cute, but I think Words is a pretty inferior threat. Someone please tell me: why Sylvan Library?


Then first ask yourself why so many decks run Sensei's Divining Top. Together with fetchlands it creates card quality. Basically Sylvan Library is a green Top that cost no mana to activate, can draw a card for 4 life but doesn't work with counterbalance.

[bigbear102]

It's in there because the deck has no card draw, and Top costs 1 meaning Chalice at 1 makes it a dead draw. Sylvan Library is also an enchantment for Catalcysm.

Here is the new version I built on MWS:

4x Mox Diamond
3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
4x Savannah
4x Wasteland
3x Forest
2x Plains
2x Horizon Canopy
4x Windswept Heath
2x Nantuko Monastery

3x Glowrider
3x Argothian Wurm
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Exalted Angel

4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere
2x Crucible of Worlds
1x Life from the Loam
3x Cataclysm
3x Sylvan Library
1x Oblivion Ring (trying to find room for more)

Possible SB:
3x Kitchen Finks
3x Armageddon
3x Ethersworn Canonist
3x Krosan Grip
3x Honor the Fallen
1W
Instant
Remove all creature cards in all graveyards from the game. You gain 1 life for each card removed this way.

If you think about it, most of the graveyard cards you remove are creatures anyway.


The random Life from the Loam is there because you can dredge it off of Sylvan Library for extra cards, you have to still pay the 4 life, but it allows you to gain card advantage in certain cases. Works really well after an Armageddon in g2 if they bring in grave hate.

I like Glowrider in the Teeg spot because it slows down control decks, something neither Ethersworn Canonist nor True Believer do, as well as hitting combo.

I really don't like throwing Equipment or Enchant Creatures into the deck because you have so few threats already. There are only 10 creatures that attack successfully, plus Monastery. The 10 should be able to win a race without wasting slots on equipment/auras. With the number of land in the deck space is tight already.

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

It's in there because the deck has no card draw, and Top costs 1 meaning Chalice at 1 makes it a dead draw. Sylvan Library is also an enchantment for Catalcysm.

Here is the new version I built on MWS:

4x Mox Diamond
3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
4x Savannah
4x Wasteland
3x Forest
2x Plains
2x Horizon Canopy
4x Windswept Heath
2x Nantuko Monastery

3x Glowrider
3x Argothian Wurm
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Exalted Angel

4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere
2x Crucible of Worlds
1x Life from the Loam
3x Cataclysm
3x Sylvan Library
1x Oblivion Ring (trying to find room for more)

Possible SB:
3x Kitchen Finks
3x Armageddon
3x Ethersworn Canonist
3x Krosan Grip
3x Honor the Fallen
1W
Instant
Remove all creature cards in all graveyards from the game. You gain 1 life for each card removed this way.

If you think about it, most of the graveyard cards you remove are creatures anyway.


The random Life from the Loam is there because you can dredge it off of Sylvan Library for extra cards, you have to still pay the 4 life, but it allows you to gain card advantage in certain cases. Works really well after an Armageddon in g2 if they bring in grave hate.

I like Glowrider in the Teeg spot because it slows down control decks, something neither Ethersworn Canonist nor True Believer do, as well.

I really don't like throwing Equipment or Enchant Creatures into the deck because you have so few threats already. There are only 10 creatures that attack successfully, plus Monastery. The 10 should be able to win a race without wasting slots on equipment/auras. With the number of land in the deck space is tight already.

I can see what you mean about the deck being light on threats, making equipment inviable...

I don't see us reliably getting Threshold, in which case, I'd switch out the Nantuko Monasteries for another utility land. Honestly, I'd just go up to 4 Horizon Canopies, because it can give us colored mana for pain, and I think Canopies + Crucible is about the most effective draw engine this deck is gonna get.

As far as Glowrider, I can't see it as a maindeck card for us. Think about it, we only run like fourteen creatures or so, the way it's going to slow the game down is too symmetrical for us to break it in the maindeck... I sort of want to try Gigapede in here, since it has pseudo-dredge.

Also, since I want to lean on Crucible of Worlds as a draw engine in here, I'm considering adding one or two more... I'd probably cut the Life from the Loam, it just seems too narrow in this deck.

I'm hoping Conflux brings us a good utility card or ridiculous beater for this deck, but who knows...?

[Moczoc]

A problem is that the creatures who have a massive synergie with Armageddon like Terravore and Werebear .. and creatures with a synergie with Cataclysm like Kitchen Finks and Razor Golem do not benefit from the Tomb/City Landbase (-> They rather need colored mana). Also Goyf doesn't need them and you don't want to cast your BOOM spell so fast.

[F3d3x]

What do you think of this?

3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
4x Savannah
4x Wasteland
2x Forest
2x Plains
4x Windswept Heath
1x Nantuko Monastery

4x Tarmogoyf
4x Ravenous Baloth
2x Terravore
2x Argothian Wurm
2x Exalted Angel

4x Mox Diamond
4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere
2x Crucible of Worlds
4x Oblivion Ring
1x Life from the Loam
3x Cataclysm
3x Armageddon