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Skeggi
03-05-2009, 07:04 AM
Clicky (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/17089_Unlocking_Legacy_Putting_the_Grand_into_Grand_Prix.html).

I don't know whether this is a new or old article, because I haven't checked them out in a while, but something in the article struck me:



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a lot of players that already have three byes will enter a Trial, win four rounds and drop in exchange for prize.
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This 'advice' really surprizes me, coming from a judge.


144 Unsporting Conduct — Bribery and Wagering
Definition
Bribery occurs when a player offers an incentive to entice an opponent into conceding, drawing, or changing the results of a match. Refer to section 25 of the Universal Tournament Rules for a more detailed description of what constitutes bribery.

Wagering occurs when a player or spectator at a tournament places a bet on the outcome of a tournament, match or any portion of a tournament or match. The wager does not need to be monetary, nor is it relevant if a player is not betting on his or her own match.
Examples
A. A player in a Swiss round offers his opponent $100 to concede the match.
B. A player offers his opponent a card in exchange for a draw.
C. A player asks for a concession in exchange for a prize split.
D. Two players in a Magic tournament agree that the winner of the match will be able to choose a rare card out of the other person’s deck after the match.
E. Two spectators at a Dreamblade tournament place a bet on the over/under of total victory points in a match.

Philosophy
Bribery and wagering disrupt the integrity of the tournament and are strictly forbidden. Please refer to section 25 of the Universal Tournament Rules to ensure the proper application of this penalty.

Penalty
All Levels
Disqualification

At Regular REL, the Head Judge may, at his or her discretion, downgrade the penalty to a Match Loss if he or she believes that the player committing the infraction was not aware that what he or she was doing was illegal.

Ofcourse this rule is about losing a match and not dropping from the tournament, however it basically boils down to the same. Since the penalty is quite heavy, it's something you may want to think about twice before doing.

Overall the article has some good tips.

Ectoplasm
03-05-2009, 08:52 AM
Pretty decent article and a nice change from the 'introduction to Legacy' crap that keeps showing up, at least this one is specific.
I'm pretty curious about the playing faster article, let's put some APM in magic!

landstill101
03-05-2009, 12:36 PM
Clicky (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/17089_Unlocking_Legacy_Putting_the_Grand_into_Grand_Prix.html).

I don't know whether this is a new or old article, because I haven't checked them out in a while, but something in the article struck me:



This 'advice' really surprizes me, coming from a judge.


Ofcourse this rule is about losing a match and not dropping from the tournament, however it basically boils down to the same. Since the penalty is quite heavy, it's something you may want to think about twice before doing.

Overall the article has some good tips.

Actually what he said is no where near to breaking the rules. What he is saying is that you win a bunch of games and then instantly dropping, which is competly legal and actually a smart move for someone who has 3 byes already since they dont stack.There was no talk of bribe for the loss, just a drop.

Anusien
03-05-2009, 01:33 PM
There is an exception to Bribery in the finals of a single-elimination tournament. So you can do prize splits in exchange for concession in the finals of a tournament with a Top8 or in the finals of a pure single-elimination tournament like Friday GPTs. Note that you can only offer prizes from the tournament!

Bardo
03-05-2009, 06:10 PM
I found a print-out of this article in my bag on Monday and loved it. I almost started a thread about it, but forgot. Alas.

Anyway, excellent material. One of your best articles, Kevin. Well done.

Forbiddian
03-05-2009, 06:10 PM
Also, dropping doesn't entail resigning a game to a specific player. You're leaving in between rounds. Nobody benefits (except I guess the guys moving up slot positions, but they're not involved in the bribe in any way).

Are you going to penalize the tournament organizer with a disqualification because he "bribed" players? OK. He's disqualified.

Anusien
03-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Also, dropping doesn't entail resigning a game to a specific player. You're leaving in between rounds. Nobody benefits (except I guess the guys moving up slot positions, but they're not involved in the bribe in any way).

Are you going to penalize the tournament organizer with a disqualification because he "bribed" players? OK. He's disqualified.
If you drop from a tournament in exchange for prize in anything other than the finals of a single elimination event, you're Bribing. Don't confuse the issue please.

The playing faster article is linked in the comments thread of that article.

georgjorge
03-06-2009, 10:33 AM
I'm confused...how could it be Bribery when there's no one there to bribe me ? I'm not dropping in exchange for a prize, because I'd get that prize regardless if I stay in or drop.

hugh1130
03-07-2009, 04:24 AM
I'm confused...how could it be Bribery when there's no one there to bribe me ? I'm not dropping in exchange for a prize, because I'd get that prize regardless if I stay in or drop.
If a judge doesn't know about it, they cant act

Just don't convince yourself it is legal