Progenitus Order

[bio-dwarf]

What do you guys think of this:

4x Birds of paradise
4x Llanowar Elves
3x Wall of Blossoms
3x Eternal Witness

1x Progenitus

4x Cabal Therapy
3x Thoughtseize
3x Pernicious Deed
3x Vindicate
4x Swords to Plowshares

4x Pattern of Rebirth
4x Natural Order

4x Ancient Tomb
4x Bayou
4x Windswept Heath
2x Savanah
2x Scrubland
3x Forest
1x Swamp

I'am planning to play with it on a tournament soon.

[Vimes]

Pattern of Rebirth seems pretty clunky, and Tarmogoyf is rarely a bad inclusion. Do -4 Pattern and +4 Tarmo if you can afford it.

Also, make sure you have some Orim's Chants in your sideboard as protection against combo.

[troopatroop]

Pernicious deed seems bad with all of your 1 drops. I would also play at least 1 Dryad Arbor. I understand wanting to play Pattern of Rebirth, but this opens you up to big 2 for 1's against targetted removal. I think this is the wrong sort of approach, because you've only got a handful of discard spells to force your Natural Orders through, and if you attempt at casting it and walk into a counter, your deck becomes considerably worse. At least other decks have backup plans like Survival. You can't even ditch Progenitus without targetting yourself with discard.

[bio-dwarf]

I use the Pattern because:

- Works nice with the Cabal Theraphy flashback.
- A Pattern in play stolls the game. (as long as the Pattern isn't destroyer:tongue: )
- Works nice with a Deed when it destroyes the board.

But you made a good point :smile: but I'am trying to focus on getting Progenitus out as fast as possible and destroy the rest on board.

It's the Rock but then with a little suprise :wink:

[bio-dwarf]

Pernicious deed seems bad with all of your 1 drops. I would also play at least 1 Dryad Arbor. I understand wanting to play Pattern of Rebirth, but this opens you up to big 2 for 1's against targetted removal. I think this is the wrong sort of approach, because you've only got a handful of discard spells to force your Natural Orders through, and if you attempt at casting it and walk into a counter, your deck becomes considerably worse. At least other decks have backup plans like Survival. You can't even ditch Progenitus without targetting yourself with discard.

That's true, wel this is my first idea,

4x Birds of paradise
4x Llanowar Elves
3x Wall of Blossom

2x Carrion Feeder
2x Protean Hulk
1x Karmic Guide
1x Reveillark
1x Bile Urchin

1x Progenitus

4x Cabal Therapy
3x Thoughtseize
3x Pernicious Deed

4x Pattern of Rebirth
4x Natural Order

3x Eternal Witness

4x Ancient Tomb
4x Bayou
4x Windswept Heath
5x Forest
1x Swamp
2x Phyrexian Tower

It has the Hulk combo as a backup plan. I playtested this for some time now and it works really wel.

You think this version is better? Thanks for you thoughts about my deck ideas!

[swarm187]

There are other threads that discuss this deck thoroughly, but I have some thoughts on your specific build.

First off, you need Tarmogoyf. If someone gets rid of your Natural Orders, you need this deck to mirror a Rock deck as much as possible. 'Goyf is an integral part of that.
Ditch the Llanowar Elves and go with Noble Hierarchs. They give you two of your three colors for the same converted mana-cost and they win 'Goyf wars for you with Exalted.
Some other cards that make sense here; Eternal Witness, Genesis, Big Game Hunter, and Kitchen Finks. All of these play well with Deed, Pattern of Rebirth, and your overall strategy.

Speaking of Pattern, I happen to like the card in this build. The issue is, it's flat out slow, especially if speed is what you're looking for. The Rock has always been a midrange deck, looking to control the early game and win in the middle-to-late game with fatties. Your list is remarkably close to Rock builds, which means, if your Natural Order doesn't get off the ground, you should be looking to slow the game down. In that type of strategy, Pattern of Rebirth makes more sense. There's nothing better than sacking a Patterned Kitchen Finks to Cabal Therapy, making your opponent discard a card and getting a Progenitus for free, 2 life, and your Finks back.

There are a lot of synergy in this deck, but I think you'd be better served going for the Survival of the Fittest/Natural Order style builds. Good luck, I hope the suggestions help a little!

[bio-dwarf]

Thanks you very much:laugh: first comment on this forum of some one that took my ideas seriously, wel the problem is I dont have Tarmogoyf and they are so expensive to get....

I think going for a Rock/Progenitus build or Servival/Progenitus build would be the best. Now I need to find a way of getting 4 Servivals and 4 Tarmogoyf:tongue: they rest wont be a big problem I think.

Thanks for your great tips!

[bio-dwarf]

After some testing and keeping the tips here in mind I came up with this:

Creatures (15)
4x Birds of paradise
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Eternall Witness
3x Kitchen Finks

Disruption (19)
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Thoughtseize
4x Swords to plowshares
4x Vindicate
3x Pernicious Deed

Search engine(4)
4x Natural Order

1x Progenitus

Lands (21)
4x Windswept Heath
3x Ancient Tomb
4x Bayou
2x Savanah
2x Scubland
1x Volrath stronghold
3x Forest
1x Swamp
1x Plain

I think this is getting really close to perfection of getting The Rock and a Progenitus Order combo fused together. I can cut a bit on the Disruption
to get in 3 or 4 Pattern of Rebirth but I need the test that first, I also think Doran, the Siege Tower is intresting. What kind of sideboard would I build for this sideboard?

What do you guys think of the deck?

[swarm187]

I'm not sure how well Doran fits in here. I mean, Doran Rock builds are popular for a reason...they're good. But you're not running a dedicated Rock deck, and thus, I think he loses a little of his punch. He weakens your Witnesses and your Finks, although those aren't your beaters.

I would definitely playtest Survival of the Fittest before Pattern of Rebirth. Survival is such a beating, and it's so versatile, you would be doing an injustice to your deck if you didn't try it. Also, I would slim down your manabase and bring in more mana-dorks...Noble Heirarchs are my personal favorite.

Ancient Tombs just aren't the right choice here. If anything, I would go for City of Traitors over Ancient Tombs, but I don't think either of these are very desirable in Rock builds. Bump your dual lands up to 4 each, that should give you all the fixing you need.

As far as sideboarding goes, here's what I have at the moment, although I'm still testing:

3x Pithing Needle
3x Smother
3x Sensei's Divining Top
3x Gerard's Verdict
1x Woodfall Primus
1x Shriekmaw
1x Big Game Hunter


Hope that helps!