[Article] Legacy's Allure 2K9

[bowvamp]

by Mike Flores on the Mothership.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/29
:rolleyes:

"Just going over the Grand Prix–Chicago Top 8 we see a total of 30 basic lands between the eight decks ... and more than a third of them are in a single All-In Red deck." All-In Red? please...

Comparing Zoo to Naya Aggro, Calling Eva-Green just by what colors it runs, come on!

It was a pretty funny read tho.

EDIT:
oh yeah, did I mention the random reference to 43 lands.dec? And he can't even accomplish what he wants to in 17 cards. 43 -2 lands makes... 41lands.dec?

[Nihil Credo]

Want some cheese with your whine? This was a fine article. Another "Welcome to Legacy", sure, but that's what should be on the Mothership, where the readers are split between casual players and FNM/PTQ kids. And it doesn't hurt that it's filled with a "Legacy is cool!" vibe from start to finish, which is precisely what the format needs.

[Artowis]

Welcome to The Source! Where everybody is a crybaby bitch about anything written about the format.

Ohs nos, he's comparing decks he knows to decks he's analyzing, WHY GOD WHY!?!

I enjoy bashing Flores as much as anybody, but the article was perfectly fine.

[bowvamp]

You're right, you're absolutely right. I should keep my hopes down for articles like this more often. This is what the format needs. I wish wizards could have a dedicated Legacy writer.

[Pinder]

Wow. I just love how every single deck gets at least a paragraph up until you hit Cappy's Thresh list, where he gets little more than a sentence. Beating.

[Aggro_zombies]

Someone needs to tell Flores that Gush is banned in this format.

*rimshot (www.instantrimshot.com)*

The Twitter update was interesting: "Legacy has been a recurrent conversation topic in the office this week. I really like the 41-land deck." Posted under the name "Kelly," which I'm assuming is Kelly Diggs.

It's good to see the enthusiasm. Hopefully that translates into more high-profile events in support of the format.

Also still no decklists. The "Decks of the Week" feature just links to lists that were published in the coverage, so there's nothing there about the Day 2 decks that we didn't already know. I certainly hope they release them, I want to see the Loam lists.

I also laughed at the one-liner for Thresh. Poor guy, his list gets the least written about it.

[Lifeless]

I think it's a fine little hype piece on the format that may make Legacy seem a bit less intimidating to players of other formats. Exciting even. It introduces a few things and should not expected to be comprehensive.

As an aside, generally I can't stand how referential Flores is in his articles. He's seriously speaking in secret fucking code sometimes, and I don't think it well serves the casuals that are his target on the homepage.

[SpikeyMikey]

Eh, looked fine to me. Flores is a good writer, I think he did a good job with the article. You people are too damn picky.

[C.P.]

Have Legacy gotten this much of positive feedback at once? I'm so excited to see all this friendly articles and hypes about the format, which seems to be the trend of the week. The article could have used more contents on certain decks, but It was good in general. I, for one, enjoyed reading it.

I just hope this trend keeps up and Legacy gets constant stream of attention here and there. That would make me happy.

[Smmenen]

I enjoy bashing Flores as much as anybody,

I don't understand this. What is the enjoyment out of bashing other people? Aside from being sadistic, why would anyone take pleasure in bashing other people? If his articles are problematic, then critique them. But why is it personal?

This is the problem I have with the internet. Criticism is a noble thing, but it is degraded on the internet by adolescent personalities. The point of criticism is not to take pleasure in attacking other people, but to elevate discussion in the pursuit of the Truth.

[Bryant Cook]

Did you read the rest of the sentence Steve? He was defending Flores. Relax a bit.

[goobafish]

Wow. I just love how every single deck gets at least a paragraph up until you hit Cappy's Thresh list, where he gets little more than a sentence. Beating.

I actually lol'ed when I read the one liner. Dunno why he did that.

[Wereodile]

Does Flores assume everyone has seen a Threshold list before?

Still good job Gooba!

[rleader]

Articles are better with pictures of cards; I think that goes along way to making the decks general audience friendly, so they don't have to click on every card in the list and figure out the keystone ones themselves. I enjoyed it.

[nitewolf9]

I actually lol'ed when I read the one liner. Dunno why he did that.

It's because you're Canadian.

[Eldariel]

I actually lol'ed when I read the one liner. Dunno why he did that.

I'd bet it's because he considers Threshold a "known" archetype (due to past success in Philly & Lille) and therefore sees it as unnecessary to go indepth on it.

[Bardo]

I actually lol'ed when I read the one liner. Dunno why he did that.

By the time he got to your list, he seemed tired of having to keep on writing about Legacy, but he obviously felt compelled to c/p the Top 8 lists. Anyway, Flores can only make so many platitudes about Legacy aggro-control decks.

As for the article, it was perfect for what it was. The average MTSer is not the intended audience, so if you didn't dig it, it wasn't for you. :Applauds:

I would be thrilled with one Legacy GP a year, and this is the sort of article that might make that happen.

[morgan_coke]

interesting read up until the end when Flores tried to pretend he understands how slide works. Remember, this is the guy who ran Pulse of the Fields over Loxodon Hierarch.

Ethersworn Canonist + Chalice of the Void (if in Red) or Ethersworn Canonist + Tidehollow Sculler (if in Black) beats combo. Depending on the type of combo prevalent in your meta, Teeg is also a threat.

Badly built Slide lists, or Slide lists built to ignore the combo matchup have a bad combo match. Otherwise they don't. /end rant

Overall though, a nice intro to legacy for people who don't know about it. He really did a nice job playing up the "fun" of higher power levels and the wide open diversity of the format.

[Anusien]

Does Flores assume everyone has seen a Threshold list before?
Probably. If you've read more than 10 articles, you've heard him talk about his UG Threshold metagamed to beat UG Madness.

[SpikeyMikey]

I don't understand this. What is the enjoyment out of bashing other people? Aside from being sadistic, why would anyone take pleasure in bashing other people? If his articles are problematic, then critique them. But why is it personal?

This is the problem I have with the internet. Criticism is a noble thing, but it is degraded on the internet by adolescent personalities. The point of criticism is not to take pleasure in attacking other people, but to elevate discussion in the pursuit of the Truth.

Honestly, I don't understand how anyone could dislike Flores' writing. Mike Flores is, to my mind, the best M:tG writer in the history of the game (from a strictly technical standpoint, I probably enjoyed reading JFR more, but that's cuz Rizzo is just Rizzo) in addition to being one of the top few, if not the top, deckbuilder. He was never the technical player that guys like Maher and Finkel were (then again, who here is?), but I don't think anyone else has ever had his keen grasp of Magical theory.

That having been said, I can certainly understand hating someone enough to get a great deal of pleasure out of bringing them down. Like irritating arrogant type 1 writers that write articles about how they're going to break Legacy wide open. I could see hating them enough to want to dance for joy when you watch them draw in the 9th and end up well out of day 2. Hypothetically of course.

I'll reiterate. The article was fine. If you're looking for in depth articles, stop looking on sites like SCG and for god's sake don't look on Wizards' site. Their site is geared towards new players. If you want to know about the format, go to a site devoted to it (like maybe this one) not one dedicated to the wider game. In fact, if you REALLY want a better article, write it yourself. There's a lot of talk about how every article on the format ever sucks (and they've all been bashed by someone or another) but very little in the way of response articles. Put up or shut up.

[Pulp_Fiction]

True, he has almost no knowledge of the format and likes to state very obvious things but overall the article was fine. A somewhat enjoyable read :)

[C.P.]

This article was fine, and was a perfect read for those who may take interest in the format. His knowledge in magic history make the article interesting, and he was enthusiastic about the format throughout the article. There was absolutly nothing wrong about stating the obvious in a site in the mothership, and he did it very well.

God damn it, just leave him alone, I know a lot of you don't like him but this was not a bad article. Seriously, If I was a writer, I'd not bother writing about Legacy when this is a responce to a perfectly reasonable article. Have fun when that happens.

[Gibbie_X]

And as for the 15 one-ofs in the sideboard? I have nothing to say about those beyond the jaw dropping admiration you already had yourself.

I think this should have been discussed more, because I think this is what got Nassif as far as his skill did. Having a side board geared and ready for anything his main deck may have trouble with. I think this is what many side boards are going to look like at the next Legacy GP. This format is way way WAY too big now to have a deck geared to beat all but 2 decks. You have to beat them all, or have tech they can't beat.

I wasn't dropping my jaw at all. I was mad I didn't think of it first....