[Card Discussion] New From the Vault deck -Exiled

[Belgareth]

I didn't see a thread and since it's about 'new' cards I figured it belonged here, apologies if not.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/148

15 old powerful cards (the example art is balance), that have been banned or restricted at one point.
To me this could be wotc's ideal time to reprint some legacy staples to help entry into this recently proven popular format.

Top suspects in my eyes:

Wasteland- It is one of those uncommons that shot up in price , though not sure if this was ever restricted so maybe not, or stripmine.
Lotus Petal- Common combo tool.
Land Tax- This will co-inside them pulling it off the banned list

Apart from that I'm unsure so let's discuss .

[Skeggi]

I guess if they reprint Balance, the next cards also belong in that row: Wheel of Fortune, Mind Twist, Braingeyser and Regrowth. Perhaps Demonic Tutor, but apparently they're already reprinting that one in Devine vs. Demonic.

Cards we will not find in there are probably the P9...altough some can always hope :wink:.

[Finn]

I did not think Wasteland had been restricted.

Anyway, this should be an interesting topic. I wonder what other cards will be in there.

Voltaic Key - powerhouse.
Icy Manipulator - dominator
Ali from Cairo - sweet baby Jesus, don't let 'em reprint that
Squandered Resources - might tear up the format if enough get out
Lin Sivvi - oh no, don't start that again
Serra Sanctum
etc


I hope we have a reason to care. They could easily screw this up.

[Solaran_X]

Strip Mine will probably be one of them. And possibly Tolarian Academy.

[sunshine]

I doubt they would reprint anything that currently has a $20+ price tag (i.e. Academy) but who knows. A foil lotus petal would be kinda sick. I love the original artwork though, hopefully it's not one of the ones getting new art.

Edit: wouldn't be surprised to see Voltaic Key actually. Now that Key + Vault is a factor in vintage again.

[Shabbaman]

Foil Shaharazad, heh. Anyway, banned cards that are played in other formats. Hm. I got FTV: dragons to get some cards I don't have. Unless they're reprinting stuff like Bazaar of Baghdad I think there's not much in here unless for pimping purposes. And I don't pimp.

All the interesting stuff is on the reserved list anyway. Don't they have (or better: wouldn't they feel) to comply with that?

[Arsenal]

I would pick this up if they weren't foil. New artwork + new frame is good, but I absolutely hate all things foil. Bah.

[Skeggi]

Each card has been printed using a foil process unique to the “From the Vault” series.
They say it like it's a good thing. This just means this will be an extra bendy set.

[citanul]

They say it like it's a good thing. This just means this will be an extra bendy set.


Actually, I thought some forms of foil would bend less. Some foil versions of vexing Shusher have this and the foil part is actually in the print and not an extra layer on top.

[Skeggi]

Vexing Shusher doesn't have the unique foil proces that FtV has. Have you seen those dragons? They bend like a cheap hooker from Thailand.

[sunshine]

Just speculation but the article seems to hint that the cards in Exiled are from the original banned/restricted list. I didn't really feel like scrolling through google results of historic b/r lists, does anyone happen to know what it looked like?

[rufus]

Just speculation but the article seems to hint that the cards in Exiled are from the original banned/restricted list. I didn't really feel like scrolling through google results of historic b/r lists, does anyone happen to know what it looked like?

IIRC there were a couple of real powerhouse cards like Orcish Oriflame, and then the usual suspects - Channel, Mind Twist, Demonic Tutor, and so on.

[Skeggi]

Just speculation but the article seems to hint that the cards in Exiled are from the original banned/restricted list. I didn't really feel like scrolling through google results of historic b/r lists, does anyone happen to know what it looked like?

I guess if they reprint Balance, the next cards also belong in that row: Wheel of Fortune, Mind Twist, Braingeyser and Regrowth. Perhaps Demonic Tutor, but apparently they're already reprinting that one in Devine vs. Demonic.
Something similar to that.

[rockout]

I must say I'm extremely excited for this product. Not only does it give us access to new pictures for staples but it may push us in the realm of reprints of older cards for core sets.

Do we have any idea what will be foil besides lotus petal?

[Skeggi]

Do we have any idea what will be foil besides lotus petal?
Lotus Petal? That was just someone guessing. Balance is the only card sure to be in the set.

[Arsenal]

I thought all the cards will be foil.

[rockout]

# 15 Premium foil cards, including 8 with new art
# An exclusive spindown life counter
# A collector’s guide
# Each card has been printed using a foil process unique to the “From the Vault” series.

reading is tech.

[Arsenal]

I was responding to this:


Do we have any idea what will be foil besides lotus petal?

The way you worded this question made it seem as though there would be foil & non-foil cards.

[conboy31]

Pure speculation by my part as to the numbers/colors. Focusing on cards that are fairly powerful but cheap. Nostalgia is a plus. No cards are on the nonprint list.

White - Land Tax
White - Balance
Blue - Tinker
Blue - Frantic Search
Green - Channel
Green - Fastbond
Red - Lightning Bolt
Red - Ball Lightning
Black - Necropotence
Black - Demonic Tutor
Artifact - Black Vise
Artifact - Mana Vault
Artifact - Lotus Petal
Land - Strip Mine
2nd land? 4th artifact?

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

If they're smart, they'd throw in a couple played cards like StP or Force of Will. Maybe Hymn to Tourach. It'd sell like hotcakes.

Maybe Serendib and Kird Ape, anyway.

[Kitchen Table Hero]

They still have to respect that list of cards that will never get a reprint, whatever its called, so I wouldn't get too excited.
I'm thinking of some of the lamer variants such as:
-Entomb
-Skullclamp
-Windfall.

I would love to see:
-Cursed scroll
-Rishadan Port
-Necropotance
-Demonic Consultation
-ANTE CARDS

Just explore the historical block bannings here:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Resources.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrblock

EDIT: OMFG Balance art = NASTY. Cameltoe, srsly?

EDIT2: Ok, looked at the pic a little more, and WTF? Her tits are roughly below her shoulders, her half clenched fists are the size of her head, and she is WEARING A COWBELL!!!!

[conboy31]

I thought the same thing, but as far as I know all of the from the vault have sold out and rather fast. Given that, I don't think they would need to drop a FOW in one. However, I know I would try to get more than I would without one in there.

[Rehallek]

They're saying this on Salvation and I'm not sure if it's true, but apparently for some reason making a foiled version of the card gets around the reserved list. I'm not sure if it's true, but that is what they're saying.

Sounds made up but I don't know.

[Papillon]

They're saying this on Salvation and I'm not sure if it's true, but apparently for some reason making a foiled version of the card gets around the reserved list. I'm not sure if it's true, but that is what they're saying.

Sounds made up but I don't know.

The article explaining card choices for FtV: Dragons made specific mention of wanting to print certain dragons, but not being able to because they were on the reserve list, I think it's wishful thinking.

Some people on Salvation seem to believe foil=premium, so exempt from the reprint policy, but so far I believe the only cards which have been reprinted which are on the reserve list are DCI judge foils.

[quicksilver]

The article explaining card choices for FtV: Dragons made specific mention of wanting to print certain dragons, but not being able to because they were on the reserve list, I think it's wishful thinking.

Some people on Salvation seem to believe foil=premium, so exempt from the reprint policy, but so far I believe the only cards which have been reprinted which are on the reserve list are DCI judge foils.

Premium is the official term used by wizards for what we call foil cards.

[Peter_Rotten]

Is Goyf one of the fifteen?

[Kitchen Table Hero]

Is Goyf one of the fifteen?
I think that there is a pretty good chance of this happening, it is currently banned in Shards block I believe?

On a more serious note, would also like to see: Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Trinisphere, Imperial Recruiter, Imperial Seal, Sea Drake, Trinisphere, Metalworker etc etc etc..........

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Does anyone support the Reserve List anymore?

[jthanatos]

The people who shelled out a couple thousand for power probably do.

[Arsenal]

The people who shelled out a couple thousand for power probably do.

In other words, the extreme minority of eternal Magic players.

[conboy31]

I think that there is a pretty good chance of this happening, it is currently banned in Shards block I believe?

On a more serious note, would also like to see: Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Trinisphere, Imperial Recruiter, Imperial Seal, Sea Drake, Trinisphere, Metalworker etc etc etc..........

I would be thrilled to see a large % of the starter/p3k cards.

Edit: what red cards have been or are banned at some level that might be in this box set (and ideally not on the nonprint list)? I know I've seen a list of all previous banned/restricted vintage cards at themanadrain before.

Burning Wish? Recoup? Gamble? Not very iconic or popular of red.

[Aggro_zombies]

I was under the impression that these cards were previously banned or restricted, which would make cards like Force of Will out of the question.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

In other words, the extreme minority of eternal Magic players.

Also, the least profitable sector for Wizards/Hasbro. Considering the greedy nature of Hasbro's executives, particularly in the current climate, I think it's a wonder that they don't pull a move like just selling a Cube set for something like $600. Hell, they could sell a gold-bordered Cube list for $60 pretty easily.

[Bigface]

This ones could probably fit in there too:

- AEther Vial (Read below.)
- Disciple of the Vault (This guy and the former artifact were "exiled" in a "short" time after they were printed. They are uncommon-common too.
- Squandered Resources (Why not?)
- Zuran Orb (Pimpin' out 43Lands.deck)

Well, whatever.

[freakish777]

Does anyone support the Reserve List anymore?

Does Wizards even support the Reserve List anymore? I was under the impression they actually had announcement saying they didn't a couple years back...


Anyways here's a list of cards I know were at one point banned/restricted in various formats (and aren't b/r in a format now), and I could see being cool:

Hymn to Tourach (Type II)
Kird Ape (Extended, when the original Duals were still Legal in Extended)
Ancient Tomb (Extended, powered Tinker decks)
Dark Ritual (Extended, powered Necro decks)
Goblin Lackey (Extended, helped power Food Chain Goblins)
Replenish (Legacy & Extended)
Survival of the Fittest (Extended)
Rishadan Port (Masques Block, technically this is still banned in Masques Block Constructed)
Gaea's Cradle (Saga Block)
Cursed Scroll (Tempest Block)

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Was Hymn ever banned?


This page is probably the prime contenders:


https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/131

[sunshine]

The reserve list (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy) might be a useful thing to have a link to. Something to note though for whatever it's worth:


All policies described in this document apply only to non-premium, tournament-legal Magic cards.

[Papillon]

The reserve list (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy) might be a useful thing to have a link to. Something to note though for whatever it's worth:

All policies described in this document apply only to non-premium, tournament-legal Magic cards.

Wizards decided the reserve list applied to FtV: Dragons (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/469b), so I don't see why it wouldn't also apply to FtV: Exiled:


Most of the Mirage Dragons are on the reserved list, so that cycle is not represented.

[rockout]

I was responding to this:



The way you worded this question made it seem as though there would be foil & non-foil cards.


# 15 Premium foil cards, including 8 with new art
# An exclusive spindown life counter
# A collector’s guide
# Each card has been printed using a foil process unique to the “From the Vault” series.

reading is tech.

I meant reading is tech talking to myself because I asked what was going to be foil without fully reading the post. I wasn't saying anything to you Arsenal.

[sunshine]

Sol Ring hasn't been mentioned yet. Obviously not a legacy card, but also not on the reserved list.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Wizards decided the reserve list applied to FtV: Dragons (http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/469b), so I don't see why it wouldn't also apply to FtV: Exiled:

They also got rid of Merfolk and Birds of Paradise. When it comes down to it, they're going to go with popular demand.


eta:

Abeyance?! Bastards.

[Dan Turner]

ok well after perusing todays article where they list everyc ard ever banned and state that no cards from the reserve list will be in the set.

I removed all ante cards, all cards that had a promo within the last 5 years or so, and all cards that had such a high secondary market value that wizards would get such bad backlash that it would be a PR nightmare I came up with my list

This is my guess for the 15 based on all info but this does not take into effect the friday updates to the banned restricted list

I tried to base most of it not necessarily on personal preference but on playability and power levels I didn't want the box to be just a power house of well played cards i wanted it to show all levels of the different eras of banning. as well as have some playable cards

Aether Vial - I was looking at them putting part of the ravenger bannings in the set I hope for this card
Personal Tutor
Goblin Lackey - I play goblins
Balance - WE know this is in based on artwork
Rishadan Port - see lackey
Icy Manipulator - Icy is Iconic and everyone loves foily ones
Sensei's Divining Top - MOST recent banned card
Squandered Resources - TOKEN gold card
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero - TOKEN legend
Stroke of Genius I need a one of for my solidarity sideboard in foil
Lotus Petal - THIS is due for a promo or something
Mana Crypt - I feel fairly strong about this one since it has never been printed in any set
Trinisphere - I HATE THIS CARD best reason i can see for them reprinting it
Necropotence - ICONIC Black card
Gaea's Cradle

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I hope they do reprint Mana Crypt. I really don't have any sympathy for the idea that a card that people want to use in this fucking game has to remain so ridiculously under-circulated that it costs upwards of 50$ a pop simply to protect collectors' value. Be satisfied that you have the old card face for it.

It may be selfish because I don't really own any of the super-expensive cards, but even having a fair number of duals I'd be happy for them to reprint enough of them that cost drops to a 10-20 range.

[Skeggi]

I think that there is a pretty good chance of this happening, it is currently banned in Shards block I believe?
Yes. But that because he was printed in Future Sight. And that's not part of the Shards block. In fact, it rotated out of standard a couple of months ago, you know, when Shards of Alara was released.

[TheAardvark]

Yes. But that because he was printed in Future Sight. And that's not part of the Shards block. In fact, it rotated out of standard a couple of months ago, you know, when Shards of Alara was released.

Yes, and he was clearly being sarcastic/making a joke.

Anyway, I keep thinking that Imperial Seal and Mana Crypt are going to be in here, mainly due to circulation issues. Maybe I am just crazy though.

[mogote]

The most interesting cards for Legacy would be those without a foil version yet, e.g. Lotus Petal, Goblin Lackey, Ancient Tomb and Mystical Tutor.

[Mijorre]

But foil is ugly and curlish if you play sleeveless. That's like saying "The most interesting cards for legacy would be white bordered and slightly beat already. That way, we can all afford them."

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

But foil is ugly and curlish if you play sleeveless. That's like saying "The most interesting cards for legacy would be white bordered and slightly beat already. That way, we can all afford them."

Shit. That sounds pretty pimp, actually.

[Fonzy]

Sol Ring hasn't been mentioned yet. Obviously not a legacy card, but also not on the reserved list.

I would ADORE having new Sol Rings in print. Oh god, drool.


But foil is ugly and curlish if you play sleeveless. That's like saying "The most interesting cards for legacy would be white bordered and slightly beat already. That way, we can all afford them."

See, but here's the thing about the foils. Look at the value of the FTV: Dragons foils compared to how much you could originally get them for. Assuming you don't already have nonfoil versions of these cards, you could probably pretty easily plop down the dough for 4 copies of FTV: Exiled, wait 6 months, trade off the foils for nonfoils, and still come out ahead.

[Skeggi]

I would ADORE having new Sol Rings in print. Oh god, drool.
Even more?

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/jr/24.jpg

[sunshine]

I think that deep down I would be a little offended if they put Flash in this.

Edit: Just watched today's Magic Show, Erwin has a pretty good list of speculations - I don't know if anyone has mentioned Brainstorm yet, but that would be cool to get a new alternate art foil version of.

[Kitchen Table Hero]

I think that deep down I would be a little offended if they put Flash in this.

Edit: Just watched today's Magic Show, Erwin has a pretty good list of speculations - I don't know if anyone has mentioned Brainstorm yet, but that would be cool to get a new alternate art foil version of.

I think we can rule Flash out, the target audience for this stuff is either casual gamers or people who want this for the coolness/sentimental factor, especially this series because none of the cards will be standard/extended legal. I predict classics like Necropotence, the aforementioned Balance, possibly Port, Demonic Consultation etc etc.

My suggestion: if they want to target coolness factor, there is nothing cooler then CHAOS ORB
Edit: Chaos Orb is reserve......... :(

[MattH]

Besides Balance, I think Petal is the most likely.

[Bigface]

It's gonna cost 35$. There can't be that many useful cards, apart from commons/uncommons (Brainstorm, Vial and Disciple could be in perhaps).

[Bryant Cook]

Will this come in foreign languages? I hope not. I don't want to have to buy jap foil Petals. Did the Dragons come in other langs?

[sunshine]

Will this come in foreign languages? I hope not. I don't want to have to buy jap foil Petals. Did the Dragons come in other langs?

It's English only.

[wolfstorm]

Foil Ancient Tomb would make me so happy.. O.O

[freakish777]

It's gonna cost 35$. There can't be that many useful cards, apart from commons/uncommons (Brainstorm, Vial and Disciple could be in perhaps).


:eyebrow:


No. FTV: Dragons originally was marketed by Wizards as $35. SCG of course knows the market better than Wizards does and started pre-selling at $100 and sold a good portion for that amount. I would expect Wizards to have learned their lesson and up the price some (maybe not to the full $100, but still).

They really should push a couple high end cards in here. Vintage players that want pimp cards would probably pay $50 just for a foil Tolarian Academy all by itself (they'd of course then turn around and sell their normal Academy on eBay for $15).

[Lifeless]

I hope they do reprint Mana Crypt. I really don't have any sympathy for the idea that a card that people want to use in this fucking game has to remain so ridiculously under-circulated that it costs upwards of 50$ a pop simply to protect collectors' value. Be satisfied that you have the old card face for it.

It may be selfish because I don't really own any of the super-expensive cards, but even having a fair number of duals I'd be happy for them to reprint enough of them that cost drops to a 10-20 range.

Preface: I own power and tons of cards that would be hurt in value if the Reserve List was removed and they reprinted old shit. I happen to think it's bad business and hurts acceptance of Eternal formats.

Time to hijack this thread and talk about how stupid I think the Reserve list is? Considering it exists to improve secondary markets that Wizards doesn't make any money off of. Seems like they are throwing money away when they could release From the Vault: Power 9, Fuck You Collectors Who Don't Buy New Product Anyways.

Incidentally, since they are trying to appeal to a new and young audience I'm shocked they havn't already done this to sell power to the kiddies.

The last golden calf is the Reserve List. Get an axe.

[Dark_Shakuras]

Preface: I own power and tons of cards that would be hurt in value if the Reserve List was removed and they reprinted old shit. I happen to think it's bad business and hurts acceptance of Eternal formats.

Time to hijack this thread and talk about how stupid I think the Reserve list is? Considering it exists to improve secondary markets that Wizards doesn't make any money off of. Seems like they are throwing money away when they could release From the Vault: Power 9, Fuck You Collectors Who Don't Buy New Product Anyways.

Incidentally, since they are trying to appeal to a new and young audience I'm shocked they havn't already done this to sell power to the kiddies.

The last golden calf is the Reserve List. Get an axe.

This man speaks truth, Wizards you must higher him!

Also you all think it will got for 35$ I wish, 100$ to start, and maybe dropping to 80$ as time goes on.

[Getsickanddie]

No. FTV: Dragons originally was marketed by Wizards as $35. SCG of course knows the market better than Wizards does and started pre-selling at $100 and sold a good portion for that amount. I would expect Wizards to have learned their lesson and up the price some (maybe not to the full $100, but still).

Apparently they didn't learn their lesson since the announcement lists the MSRP at $34.99.

[JeroenC]

You know, Wizards doesn't do everything just in order to make some money. Increasing the prize like that would be hell on their PR so they're just being good boys and making it $34.99- which is still awesome profit for them.

[puppektion]

You know, Wizards doesn't do everything just in order to make some money. Increasing the prize like that would be hell on their PR so they're just being good boys and making it $34.99- which is still awesome profit for them.

Kinda got to agree with you there. As it is, they're basically printing their own money.

I'm kinda hoping to see Mind's Desire... With the next extended rotation, it's limited to 1x in vintage and will be banned everywhere else. Kinda seems that they won't be breaking anything wide open there.

[URABAHN]

Here's the list of possible reprints (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=3694850&postcount=1)

If I had to speculate, I think the following cards are a lock

Balance (of course)
Necropotence
Maze of Ith (I think they're going to pick a land and all the other ones aren't nearly as exciting)

[Citrus-God]

I hope their land of choice is either LoA (not likely) or Rishadan Port (very likely).

[raharu]

I hope their land of choice is either LoA (not likely) or Rishadan Port (very likely).
LoA?

[Solaran_X]

LoA?
Library of Alexandria, Uncommon from Arabian Nights.

[puppektion]

Library of Alexandria, Uncommon from Arabian Nights.

No Fucking Way. They wouldn't give that big of a middle finger to the vintage players.

[Citrus-God]

No Fucking Way. They wouldn't give that big of a middle finger to the vintage players.

Who said they cared about vintage players. If anybody, it's the collectors.

[puppektion]

Who said they cared about vintage players. If anybody, it's the collectors.

Regardless, they'd be giving the middle finger to both of them. As a matter of fact, they'd basically be waving their junk at all magic players. Come to think about it, vintage players would probably be the best off:

Collectors get to watch their investment tank.
Legacy, Extended, and Standard players get to see Vintage get their playables back (and cheap, at that) while not getting to play any of that.

I think wizards knows better than that. They'd basically get to see hundreds of players get pissed over one bad move. That move could lead to thousands in losses all over one From the Vault printing.

[DireLemming]

LoA is on the reserved list.

[dahcmai]

Well, here's my guesses. All of them have been banned or restricted at one point or another and none are on the reserve list.

Here's a reference link to banned stuff that includes the reserved list cards in italics.
http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/149

White - Balance (Already known to be one of them)
White - Land Tax (Lin Sivvi is the only other choice and it's boring compared to Land Tax)
Blue - Tinker, Windfall and Stroke are all on there, but I think I'll side with Serindib Efreet since we know that there was art commissioned for it and not used. (Time Spiral Purple Rare)
Blue - Personal Tutor (banned preemptively and in short supply)
Green - Crop Rotation (that or Channel, but it's still Restricted and banned in most formats)
Green - Fastbond, Regrowth, or hopefully everyone's wish for Berzerk
Red - Goblin Lackey
Red - Kird Ape - To fill in some of the cards that are already in newer borders
Black - Necropotence
Black - Vampiric Tutor (Just maybe? Probably Dark Ritual to be honest)
Artifact - Divining Top
Artifact - Arcbound Ravager (bah, I know, but they said some have new borders already)
Artifact - Lotus Petal We can hope, but it's probably Trinisphere
Land - Maze of Ith - It's so much tabletop fun, they almost have to do this one.
Land - Darksteel Citidel - To go with the reprint of newer border cards

[sunshine]

I would bet good money that Black Vise shows up. Also, I would love to see a foily Doomsday.

[rockout]

I'd be excited for just 1 of those cards dahcmai mentioned in foil, but we get 15 foilies :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Forbiddian]

We're just going to see a damn Ali from Cairo and a Dingus Egg.


But I hope we see Brainstorm and stuff.

[TrialByFire]

Skullclamp anyone?

[dahcmai]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Rishadan Port being knocked out of block.

Either way, this should be worth seeing just for the new artwork on old cards.

[mossivo1986]

Skullclamp anyone?

Quit it with your sick jokes, your sick sicko.

[Jeff Kruchkow]

i have doubts on maze of ith since it was just printed as a judge foil

[TheAardvark]

i have doubts on maze of ith since it was just printed as a judge foil

Yeah, I have to revise my previous statement. It's still possible, of course, but now I think Strip Mine is much more likely.