[ICD] Sturdy Hatchling

[undone]

Ok, before people dismiss this as worthless drivle I want to have a discussion on this card. It is very strong once landed, better than any creature in nassifs deck by far as unless goyf gets bigger than it, after 4 spells it is an unkillable unable to be delt with monster, even at a 3/3 shroud (Which it will always be) it is not worthless.

The only problem with the card is its deceptive mana cost is actualy 3 U/g G/u.

I understand the card is weak in tradional threshold, but in nassifs next level blue or in higher mana versions of threshold (20+) the card seems almost as good as tarmogoyf.

[Skeggi]

The only problem with the card is its deceptive mana cost is actualy 3 U/g G/u.
For 4 mana you get stuff like:
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/lw/88.jpghttp://magiccards.info/scans/en/ne/102.jpghttp://magiccards.info/scans/en/od/290.jpg

For 5(!) mana you can get stuff like:

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/us/85.jpghttp://magiccards.info/scans/en/ap/121.jpghttp://magiccards.info/scans/en/rav/238.jpg

The powerlevel of Sturdy Hatchling is WAY below these guys. And Spiritmonger, Blastoderm and Vulturous Zombie don't even see play.

[Rehallek]

On a random note this thread caused me to look up what the other hatchlings do in the cycle. Anyone who is a fan of the Simpsons should look at the art for Belligerent Hatchling because it is an awesome nod at the Simpsons.

http://magiccards.info/eve/en/134.html

[Elfrago]

And Spiritmonger, Blastoderm and Vulturous Zombie don't even see play.

Pretty much anything that costs more than four and has zero uses aside from casting (i.e. cycling) doesn't see play.More or less only stompy decks strech out to play 5 cmc cards.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

If you're playing green, Gigapede is about a hundred times better anyway, in terms of just playing a high-power unkillable threat.

[undone]

Its funny you bring up morphling and spirit monger. Monger is terrible in a format with PTE + swords it just is. Morphling doesnt cost 3UU he costs 3UUU

At 4 mana this creature is unswords able, able to deal with tarmogoyf, unsowerable, and litteraly the biggest creature in the format with no yard dependancy at all. He is extreamly good at doing what tarmogoyf does but he cant be removed. In the current format I would say hes way better than morphling and he at worst is both a natural order target (sac) a FOW pitch, and can be gotten if they deal with your progenist. There has to be a deck somewhere that can play this card.

BTW sower and blasterdom are totaly differant than hatchling while enforcer is close in the current folk/goblin +relic metagame he seems like a very good option that is night unkillable. (especialy since running 20 lands pretty much means you hit 5 mana on turn 7+ if you want)

EDIT: its like goyf being a good blocker and a good attacker not gigapeed blocking a mogg fanatic, he blocks goyf goose, and anything else in the format.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

He dies to Thoughtseize, Force of Will, Wrath/Deed and Mystic Enforcer, though. Which Gigapede doesn't. Also, you don't have to cast four spells after Pede to make sure he takes down a Tarmogoyf.

[Nightmare]

Morphling doesnt cost 3UU he costs 3UUU

At 4 mana this creature is unswords able,

You realize you need to pay mana to give this guy shroud, too, right?

[undone]

You realize you need to pay mana to give this guy shroud, too, right?

Right he costs one less than morphling. at 3UU 3UG or 3GG


He dies to Thoughtseize, Force of Will, Wrath/Deed and Mystic Enforcer, though. Which Gigapede doesn't. Also, you don't have to cast four spells after Pede to make sure he takes down a Tarmogoyf.

Giga does die he just comes back.

Also casting 4 spells is trivial in this format with the cantrips we play along with 8 free magic he should be a 6/6 in 1 or two turns.

[Finn]

Not quite, Jack. Gigapede does die to WoG. He costs you a card to come back. And 5 mana. And can be removed with GY hate.

And he dies in combat with a Cursecatcher. And requires green mana. They fulfill different roles.

[Skeggi]

litteraly the biggest creature in the format with no yard dependancy at all.
Phyrexian Dreadnought sits in a corner and cries.

Saying hatchling is better than Morphling is like the Pope saying condoms don't prevent aids: we all know better, but the judgment of the messenger is skewed because of wrong faith.

Go ahead and use the guy, but I for one would rather run a Troll Ascetic in that slot. Even though it's smaller, you can at least equip it.

Anyway, my main point is, when a creature costs 4+ mana, it better be real broken.

[undone]

Phyrexian Dreadnought sits in a corner and cries.

Where the card should stay. Theres a reason no copies of that card top 8ed. It just isnt that great because grip exists in the format and so does pedator. Simply put it suffers from splash hate on counterbalance.


Saying hatchling is better than Morphling is like the Pope saying condoms don't prevent aids: we all know better, but the judgment of the messenger is skewed because of wrong faith.

Morphling has flying and vigilance (essentialy) and costs 1 more for a smaller body. Prehaps you should do some evaluation of your own. The flying and vigilance are very good but not worth the mana every turn and not worth spending 1 more to cast.


Go ahead and use the guy, but I for one would rather run a Troll Ascetic in that slot. Even though it's smaller, you can at least equip it.

And you cant equip hatchling because....?

[Skeggi]

And you cant equip hatchling because....?
Because I should read the card better. Oops. My bad :smile:.