[Article] Legacy’s Allure – The Pile of Misfit Cards

[TheLion]

The Pile of Misfit Cards (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/17345_Legacys_Allure_The_Pile_of_Misfit_Cards.html)

A very nice article about underplayed mana accelerators. I always love to read Doug Linn's articles.

I only miss discussion about Eldamri's Vineyard (+ Magus), which would fit nicely in the Fires deck, too.

[Hoojo]

The article really made me curious about Thran Turbine. Orcish Lumberjack was a favorite of mine back around Ice Age and I was playing Erhnam Inferno. A good read.

[C.P.]

A good, Interesting read. I like this series more and more. Keep up the good work.

However, I have to doubt lumberjack in Goblins. Seriously, it is one of the the most land hungry deck in the format, especially with SGC in play. I have to ask if 2 card ritual is worth it in the deck, as Seething Song or Benerett does more or less of a same thing but does not have a room in the deck.

[Eldariel]

Interesting to see someone explore actual casual cards within the context of competitive Legacy. Fine article, in my opinion.

That said, I don't think we really should consider Martyr or Thran Turbine here - you don't want to cycle your Decree in upkeep meaning you're mostly stuck with E. Dragon recursion. I've fooled around with casual Rebel-decks playing Turbine and come to the conclusion, the card isn't worth it in really any suggested shell, because you need to spend mana on it instead of on a creature, and it doesn't help with casting additional creatures. Having to cast Turbine and the cards that use it just kinda bottlenecks your mana.

Orcish Lumberjack was always cool - it could be good in a Fires-deck as you suggested, but the real question is how good the said Fires-deck can be. I wouldn't blink an eye if RG midrange could reach a really good match-up against Countertop-decks and if that were the case, it could be worth considering. Just with Lumberjack, you must remember that the decks that would want it also tend to want a lot of midgame mana, making Lumberjack a sort of an all-in card; it means you can cast a few guys early, but it also means you need to draw more lands to cast anything once you're out of fuel, and if you just ran into a Force & a Daze, that better be pretty soon or you'll be out of it.

[Skeggi]

There were Belcher lists that used Jack IIRC. But I guess he'd shine more in a PandaBurst deck, I really love that idea.

Good read, again. Nice streak of good articles, hi-val!

[hi-val]

There were Belcher lists that used Jack IIRC. But I guess he'd shine more in a PandaBurst deck, I really love that idea.

Good read, again. Nice streak of good articles, hi-val!

I had a paragraph in here about Jack on sideboards of Belcher decks and cut it out because I felt like I didn't remember enough to comment on.

Eldariel, Turbine's biggest impact in Martyr is that it pays for Proclamation, making it hit two full turns earlier. It also cycles and buys back Dragon and spins Top. There are like, 4 legit uses in Martyr for Turbine, so that was my logical place to start.

With the RG Fires deck, it also has 8 Elves, so you certainly have more mana. In my experience, I found it was actually threat-light, not mana light! It makes me wonder if there are other decently good fatties to slot in, or something like Garruk/Overrun to make the two Elves and Lumberjack on the board into lethal beasties.

[Arsenal]

That Zur list is intriguing. Zur has always been that "wow!" type cool card, but hasn't found a home here.

[Eldariel]

Eldariel, Turbine's biggest impact in Martyr is that it pays for Proclamation, making it hit two full turns earlier. It also cycles and buys back Dragon and spins Top. There are like, 4 legit uses in Martyr for Turbine, so that was my logical place to start.

This is true. That said, you have to play it as a mana producer in terms of deck space, and yet you can't use to cast spells in a control-deck, which I could see causing problems.

[Volt]

Another great article, Doug. Thanks for cranking 'em out!

[Aggro_zombies]

Someone is on a roll here...

The Carpet of Flowers idea is interesting, but probably a dead-end deal. There aren't many green decks that could benefit from the mana but that wouldn't be able to just use Exploration or some such instead. The best I can think of is laying this turn one to race Counterbalance, but there are ways to dodge that card that don't involve dubious sideboard choices. I could be wrong, though.

Also, yummy @ Zur. EDH.Legacy.dec, here I come!

Thanks, Doug!

EDIT: Maybe Carpet could be useful in the NLU mirror. That matchup is really won by who gets Counterbalance first, though this would help you dodge some of that because it would let you accelerate into your powerful creature-theft cards earlier on, and/or giving you both Counterbalance and Top on turn two with one mana still open for Top activation. Still, it seems weak.

EDIT 2: Carpet of Flowers with Jenura, Asura of War in Bant Threshold?

[MattH]

With the RG Fires deck, it also has 8 Elves, so you certainly have more mana. In my experience, I found it was actually threat-light, not mana light! It makes me wonder if there are other decently good fatties to slot in, or something like Garruk/Overrun to make the two Elves and Lumberjack on the board into lethal beasties.
T1 jack, T2 elf+Natural Order?

[revenge_inc]

Your articles are usually quite good and I enjoyed this one more than most. Will the next one be on Braid of Fire (http://ww2.wizards.com/Gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?id=122123) perhaps?:wink:

[mercenarybdu]

Good Show Doug!

[memnarch]

I'm gonna try out Orcish Lumberjack in my survival welder build.

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

I really like Carpet of Flowers, but it's so niche. The only deck that you don't have better options against is Stasis, and I don't see that mopping up any t8s. Maybe against Team America's mana denial?

[Jak]

Your articles are usually quite good and I enjoyed this one more than most. Will the next one be on Braid of Fire (http://ww2.wizards.com/Gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?id=122123) perhaps?:wink:

If they took away mana burn this card would be pretty awesome.

[AngryTroll]

Great article.

Is that Zur deck playable? It looks awesome. Who doesn't want to play Penniman's Aura? And Steel of the Godhead? And Deed!

I hate to say it...but would Goyf be better than Bob? Or than something? If you run Green for Deed anyways...Also, why's there one Sceptor of Fugue in the board?

[Tog]

If they really are planning on getting rid of mana burn, wouldn't Braids of Fire be really good?

Edit: I thought it was for each age counter on it. Nevermind...

Great article by the way! It really got me thinking.

[Jak]

If they really are planning on getting rid of mana burn, wouldn't Braids of Fire be really good?

Edit: I thought it was for each age counter on it. Nevermind...

Great article by the way! It really got me thinking.

It is, isn't it?

[Nessaja]

It is for every age counter yeah, not sure what Tog is saying.

[mujadaddy]

If they really are planning on getting rid of mana burn, wouldn't Braids of Fire be really good? It would be the red Counterbalance. Banefire.dec here we come!