[Card Discussion] Spike Cannibal, Will it ever be useful?

[Captain_Morgan]

Spike Cannibal

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Spike Cannibal comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
When Spike Cannibal comes into play, move all +1/+1 counters from all creatures onto it.

With the introduction of Coatl into Thresh as well as some tier 2 decks like Affinity where counters are useful. Is this card ever going to see play as a small niche if Coatl makes a large splash on the tournament scene?

The plus sides are you can drop it under Vial and is the magical 3cc cost that avoids some counter measures plus just being black avoids some removal. The downside otherwise it's just an overcost 1/1 whose tribe is fairly much never played out of casual.

[Valtrix]

No, because:

1) It requires BB
2) It sucks if your opponent does not have anything with counters
3) It sucks even if your opponent has things with counters, because they'll get to swing with counters before you can steal the counters.
4) It costs 3 (IE, slow)
5) Coatl is about the only card (and countryside crusher a little) in legacy that uses counters, and even against that it's not good.
6) Removal of the creature is straight-up better than stealing their counters, since after you steal counters they're just going to get more and have a guy that's bigger than yours.

[Nihil Credo]

I don't think I can put into words how terrible that idea is. If you want to pair Lorescale Coatl with a bad support creature, Plaxmanta is the guy you should test and discard first.

[DragoFireheart]

Spike Cannibal

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0/0

Spike Cannibal comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
When Spike Cannibal comes into play, move all +1/+1 counters from all creatures onto it.

With the introduction of Coatl into Thresh as well as some tier 2 decks like Affinity where counters are useful. Is this card ever going to see play as a small niche if Coatl makes a large splash on the tournament scene?

The plus sides are you can drop it under Vial and is the magical 3cc cost that avoids some counter measures plus just being black avoids some removal. The downside otherwise it's just an overcost 1/1 whose tribe is fairly much never played out of casual.




Coatl simply does not see enough play and teching it JUST for aggro-loam does not justify it and even if it did, it's a dead draw against almost every deck. Thresh is all about card quality: this card is on the other end of the spectrum of card quality. It's ridiculously small for what you pay for it, is double black and is easily hosed to bounce. At least with coatl and crusher they can grow again, but this thing will not likely grow after the first cast IF it grew at all.

No offense Captain_Morgan, but that card is simply terrible.

[KillemallCFH]

I don't think I can put into words how terrible that idea is. If you want to pair Lorescale Coatl with a bad support creature, Plaxmanta is the guy you should test and discard first.He's suggesting it as anti-Coatl tech, not support for Coatl.

That being said, no, it will never be useful. All the current answers to creatures (StP, Sower, EE, etc.) work just fine on Coatl without being awful against everything else. And it doesn't even kill Coatl; it just shrinks him.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Isn't Man-O'-War five thousand times better?

[DragoFireheart]

Isn't Man-O'-War five thousand times better?

It is, but even that doesn't see play IIRC. Maybe in some combo deck it does...? :confused:

[leander?]

Isn't Man-O'-War five thousand times better?
No:

When Spike Cannibal comes into play, move all +1/+1 counters from all creatures onto it.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

No:

It's funny how reality looks completely different from differing points of view, even when discussing the very same phenomenon.

[DragoFireheart]

It's funny how reality looks completely different from differing points of view, even when discussing the very same phenomenon.

Proof that alternate Universes exist?

[Captain_Morgan]

The Man-o-War would just bounce it and remain a 2/2, the Spike acquires all the meat of the creature with the possibility of killing it with the same risk of the regrowth of the snake. It's a 2/2 threat versus a 1/1+x threat.

However, as stated before outright killing it is the more positive point.

So in the end the card does not have any redemptive value.