[SCD] Burrenton Forge-Tender

[Volt]

Cross-posted from the countersliver thread:


I've come to the conclusion that BFT is one of the most underrated sideboard cards in Legacy. It is amazingly versatile. Consider everything it's good against:


Goblins. Even better than blue blasts, because it's a permanent that gums up the board and slows Goblins way down. It's a turn 1 answer to Lackey and it blocks Piledriver all day long.
Burn. Once again, better than blue blasts, because it stays on the board, blocking Mogg Fanatics and/or absorbing a point of damage from Hell/spark Elementals until you decide to sac it to prevent damage from a Fireblast or PoP.
Sligh & Zoo. Again, it blocks red creatures and absorbs a Fireblast /PoP.
Ichorid. Is it the card that Ichorid fears the most? No, but the ability to sac it at any time to get rid of Bridge from Belows can be a valuable part of your anti-Ichorid plan. Also protects your dudes from Firestorm out of their sideboard.
Aggro-Loam. Blocks Countryside Crusher all day long, and you can sac it to protect all your slivers from Devastating Dreams.

Really, what more could you ask for in a sideboard card?

It seems to me that this card is vastly underplayed in Legacy. Discuss.

[frogboy]

Card is unreal against Mountains.

[AngryTroll]

Card is unreal against Mountains.

I found your problem.

Now, if it was unreal against Islands....

Really, though, I think I'll pick up a set. Shoot, you can even side it against Ichorid-it's not the best answer, but for most decks, it'll be better than something else you have mainboard.

[Forbiddian]

Cross-posted from the countersliver thread:



It seems to me that this card is vastly underplayed in Legacy. Discuss.

It's not underplayed, every white deck that has a use for it is running it. The only deck I can think of that doesn't run it is UW Landstill, but I don't even think they want it (and I'm sure that they've tested it).

Take another look at Nassif's Sideboard. Take a look at Death and Taxes. Take a look at NoGoyf. Take a look at UGw Threshold.

I guess the people in the Meathooks thread JUST figured it out, but you guys are like half a year behind the curve. It's been run as Ichorid hate that splashes to hate Goblins and other red for like 6-8 months, now, even before the printing of Ad Nauseum.

[KillemallCFH]

It's not underplayed, every white deck that has a use for it is running it. The only deck I can think of that doesn't run it is UW Landstill, but I don't even think they want it (and I'm sure that they've tested it).

Take another look at Nassif's Sideboard. Take a look at Death and Taxes. Take a look at NoGoyf. Take a look at UGw Threshold.

I guess the people in the Meathooks thread JUST figured it out, but you guys are like half a year behind the curve. It's been run as Ichorid hate that splashes to hate Goblins and other red for like 6-8 months, now, even before the printing of Ad Nauseum.What? Besides Nassif's board, I've hardly ever seen this card played or discussed.

Only problem I have with it is that it competes with Absolute Law, which is arguably better. Burrito Forge-Tender can only be used once, which, while still very useful, isn't as good as permanent protection from Pyroclasm.

[pi4meterftw]

? Not only have Matt and I been running the card for the last forever, and it is in the nogoyf discussion forum, but also all the other decks he listed run it too, in case you only keep up to date on the most main stream lists. If this was news, Matt and I would have announced it a long time ago. But people beat us to it.

[Forbiddian]

What? Besides Nassif's board, I've hardly ever seen this card played or discussed.

Only problem I have with it is that it competes with Absolute Law, which is arguably better. Burrito Forge-Tender can only be used once, which, while still very useful, isn't as good as permanent protection from Pyroclasm.

I guess this did need a thread, if people are comparing BFT to Absolute Law. So yeah: Exactly what the OP said.

If you run white (the rarest color in Magic) and want help against Goblins or Ichorid (or you have devoted sideboard cards to EITHER matchup), immediately replace whatever crap you were running with Burrenton Forge-Tenders.

[Volt]

First of all, I've been running it for several months, so I didn't "just figure it out."

Second, a search of the Top 8 decklists thread shows that BFT barely shows up at all, and then only as one-ofs (I guess those people think they're Nassif, or something).

[Volt]

Also, I just searched the deckcheck.net database. It showed very few instances of Burrenton Forge-Tender in Legacy sideboards, and almost every single citation was a Nassif-copycat one-of.

I stand by what I said. The card is vastly underplayed in Legacy.

[Forbiddian]

Also, I just searched the deckcheck.net database. It showed very few instances of Burrenton Forge-Tender in Legacy sideboards, and almost every single citation was a Nassif-copycat one-of.

I stand by what I said. The card is vastly underplayed in Legacy.

Ok, it hasn't appeared on Deckcheck, if you throw out the times when it appears as a 1x (which is probably where a lot of people like it, replacing like 1 Relic or 1 Crypt). Maybe Europe doesn't like it. Or maybe it might have something to do with White being the rarest color in Magic.

BFT is definitely the premier Goblins hate card. It also splashes extremely well to hate anything red, and it crushes Ichorid. Still, white is preposterously rare and a lot of decks simply don't devote any slots to the Ichorid or Goblins matchups, regardless of the splash hate.


Although it seems from the people posting here that a lot of people hadn't heard of it, so it's great to get the news out.

[sunshine]

... and it crushes Ichorid...

This I can assure you is not the case. It removes bridges and possibly protects your creatures from Firestorm making it slightly more annoying for Ichorid than Fanatic but not much. To put things in perspective, Extirpate is widely considered one of the weaker hate cards against Ichorid - that at least could get rid of all the Ichorid players Bridges, not just the ones that happened to be in the yard when it was played. BFT may be amazing against Goblins, and if it's in your board anyway you might as well bring it in against Ichorid, but to say that it crushes Ichorid is certainly an exaggeration.

[KillemallCFH]

Besides being slightly useful against Ichorid, I still don't see any compelling reason to run this over Absolute Law if you are afraid of red sweepers, burn, and/or Goblins.

[Forbiddian]

This I can assure you is not the case. It removes bridges and possibly protects your creatures from Firestorm making it slightly more annoying for Ichorid than Fanatic but not much. To put things in perspective, Extirpate is widely considered one of the weaker hate cards against Ichorid - that at least could get rid of all the Ichorid players Bridges, not just the ones that happened to be in the yard when it was played. BFT may be amazing against Goblins, and if it's in your board anyway you might as well bring it in against Ichorid, but to say that it crushes Ichorid is certainly an exaggeration.

I would say that Mogg Fanatic crushes Ichorid. I would also say that Extirpate crushes Ichorid. The reason Extirpate is not run is because it is not very solid in non-Ichorid matchups, whereas BFT is awesome against 25% of the metagame.

Ichorid is the reason that many Goblin players sport four Fanatics; and four Fanatics is why Goblins manages to beat Ichorid. Ichorid is a combo deck that gets beaten by Goblins. Think about it.

If you don't consider that crushing, what do you consider crushing?

[davidboan]

Shoot, you can even side it against Ichorid-it's not the best answer, but for most decks, it'll be better than something else you have mainboard.

I've had a Death and Taxes player do this to Me when I was playing Ichorid. It worked out really well for Him, not Only did He wreck My Firestorm plan, He also ate My Bridges with it.

[eq.firemind]

As people said before, I can't imagine my Death & Taxes sideboard without 3 Burrenton Forge-Tenders.

[Maëlig]

Agreed. It would see more play if white was a more prevalent color.
I've been avocating it as a replacement to Tivadar of Thorn in D&T's SB for quite some time now, and I think most people playing that deck have come to the same conclusion.