{Legacy} The Source Tournament Sign-Ups [Archive]

Dan Turner

06-08-2009, 04:19 PM

I decided to run a regular Legacy Event first to get an idea of the Meta-Game we are working with before trying to Un/ban.

The event will Start next Monday 9 am CST and each round will last exactly 7 Days

If for some reason you can not play a round let me know if You don't post or PM me during the 7 days you will be Dropped.

PM me your decklist.

I will list the players as they PM me.
IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST IT MEANS YOU DID NOT PM ME.

1.) Goaswerfraiejen
2.) Zir
3.) Julian23
4.) mossivo1986
5.) kroelai
6.) blueneverfails
7.) Van Phanel
8.) Guevera59
9.) Hollywood
10.) uradin
11.) mujadaddy
12.) xTrainx
13.) SpikeyMikey
14.) Dark_Shakuras
15.) Elfrago
16.) Maveric78f
17.) Genericcactus
18.) spirit of the wretch
19.) tyleredw
20.) DuxDucis
21.) RoddyVR
22.) Eldariel
23.) heroicraptor
24.) 4eak
25.) stuckpixel
26.) roopa
27.) lavafrogg
28.) TheInfamousBearAssassin
29.) Sanguine Voyeur
30.) HdH_Cthulhu
31.) [SLAYER]chaos
32.) irrelevant
33.) elof
34.) The Wes
35.) Magic Fanatic
36.) lordofthepit
37.) ykpon
38.) Roman Candle
39.) Mister Agent
40.) pi4meterftw
41.) Nazgath
42.) Nihil Credo
43.) clavio
44.) B0W53R
45.) Deviruchi
46.) Zir

Goaswerfraiejen

06-08-2009, 04:42 PM

Since my computer's recent death forced me to drop from the MTGSal tournament, I've PMed you to sign up here. It should be back with me tomorrow, so all should be well.

blueneverfails

06-08-2009, 06:04 PM

ill sign up deck number is: f3cd831d

Dan Turner

06-08-2009, 06:57 PM

ill sign up deck number is: f3cd831d

Still need to PM me your decklist

pi4meterftw

06-08-2009, 09:21 PM

I assume you mean each round lasts 7 days. We should try to play more regular legacy events, and with more stringent restrictions on unintentional draws. Anyway, I'm probably going to drop out of the MTGSal one soon and join this one. List upcoming.

rockout

06-08-2009, 10:05 PM

I'll sign up. I'm still working on my deck list. Will send it by Sunday at the latest.

elof

06-09-2009, 01:12 AM

I'll sign up, just need to tune my decklist.

Elfrago

06-09-2009, 03:51 AM

I'm in. I'll PM you my decklist.

Maveric78f

06-09-2009, 04:38 AM

You can count me in. I have to prepare my list though.

Ps: is cascade agony combo legal for this tourney? (the official DCI-ruling is that the decision to make it legal or not is up to the headjudge)

Genericcactus

06-09-2009, 11:01 AM

I'm in. I'll PM you my decklist shortly.

Dan Turner

06-09-2009, 11:07 AM

Ps: is cascade agony combo legal for this tourney? (the official DCI-ruling is that the decision to make it legal or not is up to the headjudge)

Actually after reading the combo and the cards I am going to say no

Since x is in the casting cost when it is cascaded x=0
Same as if you cascaded a fireball

since the pay x life is directly the effect from the casting cost
x is 0 on the whole card

I mean honestly what judge would ever allow this
the rules easily show that cards that are played via alternate means with x in the casting cost make x zero

JeroenC

06-09-2009, 11:22 AM

Ps: is cascade agony combo legal for this tourney? (the official DCI-ruling is that the decision to make it legal or not is up to the headjudge)

Where did you get that DCI-ruling? I really don't buy it. Not blaming you, but just doubting your sources...

Time zones are too much for me to handle during exams. Or for most regular tournaments, anytime. Sorry dudes.

Maveric78f

06-09-2009, 11:28 AM

That was a shortcut for what has been debated here (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13872).

Dan Turner

06-09-2009, 11:38 AM

That was a shortcut for what has been debated here (http://mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13872).

Casting cost: XB

Card text: As an additional cost to play Bond of Agony, pay X life.
Each other player loses X life.

Oracle text: As an additional cost to play Bond of Agony, pay X life.
Each other player loses X life.

Ok this is how I read it,

X in casting cost from Cascade =0

The first line of rules text does not say MAY it says PAY X LIFE
That X is = the X in the (casting cost -1) its just that when you pay the X in the casting cost you HAVE to pay the same in Life.

EACH other player loses X LIFE. This Life is also = to the (casting cost -1)

Anyone who wants to argue this really need to go take 7th grade algebra again X in an equation is not variable depending on where it is if there is an X on one side it is equal to the X on the other side

(X Casting Cost)=(X Life) = (X Life Loss)

There is no way to change this without advanced Calculus and throwing euclidean math out the window where X is different in different spots.

pi4meterftw

06-09-2009, 03:50 PM

There is no way to change this without advanced Calculus and throwing euclidean math out the window where X is different in different spots.

Are you a math major?

yawg07

06-09-2009, 04:08 PM

mujadaddy

06-09-2009, 04:13 PM

Actually after reading the combo and the cards I am going to say no
Savage tech.

Dan Turner

06-09-2009, 04:19 PM

Are you a math major?

No

Doctorate in Computer Science

Dark_Shakuras

06-09-2009, 06:03 PM

tyleredw

06-09-2009, 06:37 PM

Im in. Decklist will be pm'ed shortly.

Van Phanel

06-09-2009, 06:54 PM

So wait a minute. People actually thought that was how Bond of Agony worked when it was played via a "free casting" spell?
Wow, RTFC just a bit closer. If that was how it worked, it'd be a 4x in Mind's Desire decks in extended.

Errr... No.

Tell me, how often are you gong to be on more life than your opponent when going off in Extended?

...

Exactly.

Also guys: please read the discussion in the rules forum, the issue is explained pretty well in that thread.

I personally couldn't care less if it works or not, because it sucks no matter what, but this is cdr's answer:

Do you guys have to start a rules forum flamewar for the first time in ever while I'm at the PT? Sheesh.

"Play without paying mana cost" and alternate X costs does work for the moment [...]

Forbiddian

06-09-2009, 06:55 PM

I'm in, will PM decklist when I get back to my MWS computer.

I guess the ruling stands, but I can't see why the card combo wouldn't work. The DCI rules seems to specifically state that X does not have to equal zero if there is an additional cost to playing it, even if X appears in the casting cost.

The counterargument about Mind's Desire is incredibly wrong.

BoA would NOT see play in Desire. I doubt you've ever played a Desire deck or seen one get played or even have a vague idea what the concept is. Brain Freeze is a much, much better kill condition. It operates off of the extremely likely: You win if you were able to up the Storm count.

BoA operates on the ridiculously improbable: You win if you have MORE life than your opponent. How in the fuck is Desire supposed to deal damage to its opponent? Not to mention BoA is dead if you ever drew it.

This would NEVER work. BoA would NEVER see play in Desire. A 1/1 for 1 would be a hate spell against a Desire deck running this crap as a win con.

DrJones

06-09-2009, 07:51 PM

I can't play this tournament, but I applaud Mtg Fanatic for having common sense. Even if the combo does work, which I still don't believe it does, there is no way it will stay that way. It's the same nonsense of Wall of Roots and the in-between turns rule.

elof

06-10-2009, 01:24 AM

As far as the rulling go (and I couldn't care less, as said, the combo kinda sucks) I asked Swedens judges (highest level in sweden is 2) about it and they all say the same thing:
As of todays rullings, X paid with other effects (Skeletal Scrying and Bond of Agony being the exampels mentioned) can be cascaded, Dream Hallsed etc.

Personaly, I think it's a little whacked, as all of you who disagre with the judges say, it doesn't really make sense. But I guess that's the way it works, as far as I know.

DuxDucis

06-10-2009, 01:37 AM

Sign me up. Decklist is on the way.

Maveric78f

06-10-2009, 03:58 AM

Yeah, it's everywhere the same. Everybody comes up with its own limited and erroneous interpretation of the rules. DCI-judges are puzzled by the fact that the combo does work. However, it works because the concerned rule has not been properly formulated. To my understanding of their responses, that's why they decided to postpone the official ruling of cascade+BoA to the 20th of June.

Contrarily to a lot of people here, I think that it is quite degenerate, but I'm fine with banning the combo of the tourney, because as DrJones said it will probably be ruled out and because the deck is not very interesting (you basically have 3/4 turns to combo or you can concede, so the games never last longer).

4eak

06-10-2009, 04:27 AM

Count me in.

DECKCODE: 9e8c479e

peace,
4eak

Maveric78f

06-10-2009, 05:09 AM

Magic 2010 rules or current rules?

Van Phanel

06-10-2009, 05:12 AM

Current obviously. This tournament is Legacy and M10 rules will only be effective from the release-date of M10 which is by the beginning of July.

4eak

06-10-2009, 05:13 AM

I was thinking the same question.

As much as I hate the combat changes, it may not be a terrible idea to play with the M10 Rulings. It would be good practice.

I want to know what Legacy will look like in the future, not for the next month only. By the time we have an outcome on this tournament, the data might not be nearly as relevant.

peace,
4eak

Maveric78f

06-10-2009, 06:47 AM

Current obviously. This tournament is Legacy and M10 rules will only be effective from the release-date of M10 which is by the beginning of July.

I know that. The question is: do we want to (playtest with)/(get used to) magic 2010 rules?

It looks relevant to me. I don't think it'll change a lot the metagame, but you need to know that before including some specific interactions in your deck. A gob player may want to sacrifice his mogg fanatic slots for something else basically.

RoddyVR

06-10-2009, 08:35 AM

Just sent the sign up pm.

Roman Candle

06-10-2009, 03:40 PM

I'm in.

List on the way.

Muradin

06-10-2009, 04:57 PM

I'll try this kind of tournament as well ; ).

My Deckcode is: 9cd5e7ce

Eldariel

06-10-2009, 06:05 PM

Hm, might as well play.

Deck Code: 34608d68

elof

06-11-2009, 01:18 AM

I would actually like to try with the "new" rules. However, if the majority don't that's fine with me.

But, if we play with the "old" rules, can't we do a count as to how many times the game would have gone down differently if we played by the "new" rules? Sort of like keeping a check on what would actually happen.

TheInfamousBearAssassin

06-11-2009, 02:06 AM

I'm in. Have to decide what to play, however.

hungryLIKEALION

06-11-2009, 02:27 AM

I'm in for this, I'll post my deck list tomorrow.

Dan Turner

06-11-2009, 12:31 PM

Hummingbird TG

06-11-2009, 12:51 PM

I'm in, decklist/code at a later time (probably tomorrow?).

heroicraptor

06-11-2009, 02:49 PM

code: 563FC186

roopa

06-11-2009, 05:41 PM

Im down.

You really should have people submit deckcodes, so that the players can verify the decks before they play.

pi4meterftw

06-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Ok if your name is not on the list it means I did not get a PM from you.

SEND ME YOUR DECKLIST, it is the whole point of this I want to see what is played before we start tweaking banned/unbanned cards.

Tweaking/unbanning cards is silly. It would be more profitable just to wait for wizards to announce upcoming ban/unbans and then to test ahead of time for that.

Nihil Credo

06-12-2009, 09:58 AM

I'll sign up. How much time do I have?

Sanguine Voyeur

06-12-2009, 10:30 AM

Does this run into the 25th and the 26th? If not I'm in.

EDIT: Oh, each round runs seven days. Then yes, I'll do it. Deckcode pending.

Dan Turner

06-12-2009, 11:51 AM

I will end sunday night ( or until i get up monday morning lol) I live in Arkansas so keep in mind the time differences and post matchups for round 1 monday morning

johanessen

06-12-2009, 12:29 PM

Is still posible to join?

kroelai

06-12-2009, 12:35 PM

Very kind of you that I may participate 2 times, but I guess playing 1 game in a round is fine to me.

Pinder

06-12-2009, 01:21 PM

Might as well squeeze another one in under the old rules. Count me in, decklist to follow.

Dan Turner

06-12-2009, 02:50 PM

Very kind of you that I may participate 2 times, but I guess playing 1 game in a round is fine to me.

well i was hoping to match yourself against yourself so after round one you would be 1-1-0 or 0-0-2

stuckpixel

06-12-2009, 06:07 PM

I'm in, already PM'd decklist, security code is bf106f38.

roopa

06-12-2009, 07:33 PM

Might as well squeeze another one in under the old rules.

someone is regretting foiling out his hunted horror/brand deck.

pm w/ decklist sent

Eldariel

06-12-2009, 07:57 PM

When have you updated the list last? I have sent you my decklist, but am not on it.

rockout

06-12-2009, 09:13 PM

I'm going to drop out. I don't have the time to commit to this.

xTrainx

06-12-2009, 09:53 PM

My Deck Security Code: 939a6183

Dan Turner

06-12-2009, 10:20 PM

I will have it all updated in the morning

lavafrogg

06-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Im in. deck code 700606e4

Goaswerfraiejen

06-12-2009, 10:32 PM

So it turns out that my motherboard died when they were running a diagnostic. Accordingly, I'll be playing most/all of the tournament on this (my partner's) computer. That means that my security code is edd67cf0.

xTrainx

06-12-2009, 10:41 PM

So your posting pairings up when?
Monday?

Dan Turner

06-12-2009, 11:10 PM

So your posting pairings up when?
Monday?

Monday morning after I have my coffee and shit.

Pinder

06-13-2009, 03:14 AM

Monday morning after I have my coffee and shit.

See, my first mental image was you drinking coffee mixed with shit. I giggled a little.

lordofthepit

06-13-2009, 03:35 AM

I might want in, but I'd only be able to play after 6/17. Is there any way I can sign up tentatively?

Dan Turner

06-13-2009, 08:40 AM

28 confirmed players

If you are not on the list it means you did not PM me, if you dont pm me I will not add you to the list

Man I want to play does anyone have anything against me playing.

elof

06-13-2009, 08:51 AM

Go ahead, I think you should play :)

Btw, my list is coming today or tomorrow morning, was hoping to playtest it some first :)

4eak

06-13-2009, 09:38 AM

@ Magic Fanatic

Man I want to play does anyone have anything against me playing.

Of course you should play.

peace,
4eak

RoddyVR

06-13-2009, 09:54 AM

@ Magic Fanatic
Of course you should play.

100% agree.

Edit: my deck code, now that i've actualy put it into MWS... b91e1137

Dan Turner

06-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Ok after trying 4 times to get Wizards stupid software to run on this computer I am just going to do this on a spreadsheet.

best of 3 matches

2 points per win
1 point per tie
0 points for a lose

there will be no tiebreaker percentages and stuff so dont ask for them in case of a points tie for a place in the top 8 the 2 tied players will play each other in a playoff for the spot.

Nihil Credo

06-13-2009, 03:50 PM

This seems a horrible idea. What problems are you having with DCI Reporter?

Elfrago

06-13-2009, 04:21 PM

This seems a horrible idea.

Dan Turner

06-13-2009, 05:07 PM

This seems a horrible idea. What problems are you having with DCI Reporter?

it crashes vista every time i start it

Nihil Credo

06-13-2009, 07:58 PM

it crashes vista every time i start it
Try Compatibility Mode. (Right click on dcir[version].exe -> Properties -> Compatibility tab)

Dan Turner

06-13-2009, 08:05 PM

I just installed it on my handheld

there is concern of me playing and knowing decklist so for being fair I dont care here is mine:

Mainboard:
2 Brain Freeze
4 Brainstorm
2 Cryptic Command
3 Cunning Wish
2 Flash of Insight
4 Force of Will
4 High Tide
4 Impulse
3 Meditate
3 Opt
1 Peek
3 Remand
4 Reset
3 Turnabout
3 Flooded Strand
6 Island
3 Polluted Delta
6 Snow-Covered Island

# 60

Sideboard:
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Meditate
1 Turnabout
2 Wipe Away
2 Echoing Truth
2 Twincast
3 Disrupt
1 Hydroblast
1 Rebuild
1 Mystical Tutor

Van Phanel

06-14-2009, 12:28 AM

I just installed it on my handheld

there is concern of me playing and knowing decklist so for being fair I dont care here is mine:

[...]

Seems strangely familiar.

Dan Turner

06-14-2009, 12:35 AM

Seems strangely familiar.

actually its a deck list I was given last December after my cards were stolen since I needed a sorta cheap deck to play with by someone. I think it was by you actually. I don't have time to test all the changes I made to goblins since the screw up called M10 rules. And I really thought about goyf sleigh but I haven't tested it a lot since I just finished building it irl.

[SLAYER]chaos

06-14-2009, 02:09 AM

Here's my deckcode: b621b4a1.

irrelevant

06-14-2009, 11:09 AM

PMed you my decklist

The Wes

06-14-2009, 11:28 AM

I'm in, the deck code is 897EF36D

ykpon

06-14-2009, 03:03 PM

joined, 977abaef

stuckpixel

06-14-2009, 03:35 PM

I'd suggest having the rounds run 6 days - and on the 7th day post pairings for the next round - so you post pairings on monday, matches must be finished by midnight on sunday.

The goyfless tourney got a little strange with the round start constantly shifting one day further into the middle of the week.

Dan Turner

06-14-2009, 03:52 PM

actually from monday morning to sunday night was the plan

pi4meterftw

06-14-2009, 04:38 PM

I think we should play the new rules. Afterall, they will be what we will play for the next while.

Edit: Sign me up with 493B1421.

Mister Agent

06-14-2009, 07:33 PM

I am in.

Here is my deck code: d66047bb

Nazgath

06-14-2009, 08:44 PM

4965d975

Nihil Credo

06-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Untested list FTW.

Security code: e2a32847 (PM also sent)

Michael Keller

06-14-2009, 10:47 PM

Had already P.M.'ed and signed up a while ago, but my deck code for reference: 4eadad84

Dan Turner

06-14-2009, 10:50 PM

I am in for the new rules since I am playing solidarity i hate fizzling with 30 mana in my pool.

4eak

06-14-2009, 11:32 PM

So, is that a possible confirmation Magic Fanatic?

As I said before, I really would like to play with the new rules. It keeps the tournament data relevant and gives us practice.

peace,
4eak

B0W53R

06-14-2009, 11:48 PM

I want in too. Nothing like the last minute.
4beddc03

pi4meterftw

06-15-2009, 12:15 AM

I think that we should play the new rules with a more than 0 level of forgiveness. Personally, I think it would be about right to let people take back moves if and only if they are moves in the combat phase and no information is exchanged in the error. (Or only he revealed information to me.) We could also agree to be completely cutthroat, but I think that would turn off a lot of people and generate support for playing the old way one last time, which would be a waste of a tournament.