{Legacy} The Source Tournament ROUND 3

[Dan Turner]

Table No. Player Points No. Player
1 16 0016, Maveric78f 6-6 24 0024, 4eak
2 4 0004, mossivo1986 6-6 40 0040, pi4meterftw
3 32 0032, irrelevant 6-6 27 0027, lavafrogg
4 31 0031, [SLAYER]chaos 6-6 36 0036, lordofthepit
5 41 0041, Nazgath 6-6 9 0009, Hollywood
6 18 0018, spirit of the wretch 6-6 30 0030, HdH_Cthulhu
7 47 0047, Pinder 3-3 5 0005, kroelai
8 28 0028, TheInfamousBearAssassin 3-3 29 0029, Sanguine Voyeur
9 34 0034, The Wes 3-3 21 0021, RoddyVR
10 45 0045, Deviruchi 3-3 42 0042, Nihil Credo
11 10 0010, Elof 3-3 12 0012, xTrainx
12 22 0022, Eldariel 3-3 15 0015, Elfrago
13 17 0017, Genericcactus 3-3 8 0008, Guevera59
14 7 0007, Van Phanel 3-3 3 0003, Julian23
15 25 0025, stuckpixel 3-3 1 0001, Goaswerfraiejen
16 14 0014, Dark_Shakuras 3-3 39 0039, Mister Agent
17 46 0046, Forbiddian 0-0 26 0026, roopa
18 44 0044, B0W53R 0-0 11 0011, mujadaddy
19 23 0023, heroicraptor 0-0 37 0037, ykpon

[4eak]

PM sent to Maveric78f with my MSN, e-mail, and available playtime for the week.





peace,
4eak

[Maveric78f]

Answered to 4eak.

[spirit of the wretch]

PMed HdH_Cthulhu

[Michael Keller]

P.M.'ed Nazgath.

[ykpon]

pm'ed heroicraptor

[irrelevant]

I lost last round to the Wes it looks like I got credited with the win.

[The Wes]

Yeah, just saw the same thing. I didn't get credit for my win last round.

[Dan Turner]

i will fix it asap

[4eak]

Maveric wins 2-1.

Good games. I did not anticipate his card choices and omissions (it was cool to see his deck play out because of this), and he played skillfully. This matchup was in his favor, which showed that he did some good metagaming.

We had some nail-biting fundamental turns.






peace,
4eak

[Genericcactus]

Won 2-0. He mulled to oblivion.

[lavafrogg]

Are the pairings messed up?

[The Wes]

So far yes, irrelevant was given the win for his match against me, but I had won the match.

[Maveric78f]

Good games. I did not anticipate his card choices and omissions (it was cool to see his deck play out because of this), and he played skillfully. This matchup was in his favor, which showed that he did some good metagaming.


It looks like I made my post in the wrong thread. Yeah, these were good games. I did some mistakes though, that hopefully were not followed by any consequences. Game 1, I lose although it usually easier preboard. Game 2, I mull once but all my cards will have their golden purpose in this game. I finish all in although he has nothing to respond in his 4-cards hand (nail biting turn actually). Game 3 was tight too, but as I did not know he add any answers I was not too much worried.

[Dan Turner]

So far yes, irrelevant was given the win for his match against me, but I had won the match.

switch your alls opponents and i will get it switched over inty he computer

[The Wes]

So I play lavafrogg while irrelevant plays RoddyVR? Ok.

[lavafrogg]

Message sent to the Wes

[Nihil Credo]

PM'd Deviruchi.

[pi4meterftw]

PMd Mossivo1986.

[The Wes]

After 8 epic games lavafrogg pulls out the win. I knew we should have played the best of 13 games....

lavafrogg takes it 2-1 against The Wes.

[lavafrogg]

Lavafrogg 2-1 over the Wes.

Great Games, all 8 of them. We had some MWS issues but all the dropped games were hard fought close battles. He won game his game on turn 2, what can you do....lol

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Contacted opponent.

[Van Phanel]

Van Phanel - Julian 23 2-0

I make a mistake that should have cost me G1, then he offsets my mistake by making one of his own. Lucky me. In G2 he only draws his sideboard, but nothing to kill me in time.

Also stupid new rules. Without them, playing Solidarity would be so much easier. On the other hand it's fun having to squeeze even the last tiny bit of advantage out of the deck.

[Julian23]

On the other hand it's fun having to squeeze even the last tiny bit of advantage out of the deck.

- A concept I'm not as familiar with as I wish I was ;-) Good games. Chant is such a terrible sb card against Solidarity *sigh* :rolleyes:

[Eldariel]

Elfrago let me know he dropped R2 so I guess that's a Bye for me.

[RoddyVR]

switch your alls opponents and i will get it switched over inty he computer
So I play lavafrogg while irrelevant plays RoddyVR? Ok.
PMed Irrelevant with my available times.

[heroicraptor]

I wink 2-0 vs ykpon. I wish he'd gotten better draws.

[ykpon]

i lost 0-2 and drop from the tournament. ty, Magic Fanatic

[elof]

PM:ed my opponent.

[pi4meterftw]

Pi4meterftw wins 2-0 over Mossivo1986. gg's

[spirit of the wretch]

I beat HdH_Cthulhu 2:0

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I lost 2:0 against spirit of the wretch

[mossivo1986]

lost 2-0

[Maveric78f]

How many rounds will we play? 5 or 6?

[Dan Turner]

How many rounds will we play? 5 or 6?

i think i have it set up for 6

[Dark_Shakuras]

I dropped... Why am I in again...

[spirit of the wretch]

Will there be a cut to top8?

[Michael Keller]

Still no word back yet from Nazgath. The holiday weekend is approaching so hopefully he gets back to me as soon as possible.

[elof]

What holiday? For us non-americans that is :)

[Michael Keller]

What holiday? For us non-americans that is :)

That would be Independence Day; the celebration of our nation's birthday.

[Dan Turner]

That would be Independence Day; the celebration of our nation's birthday.



and yes there will be a cut to top 8

[irrelevant]

setting up a time with roddyVR

[elof]

Oh, sorry, didn't reflect at what date it is... Sadly, we swedes don't celebrate our independence very much, it's just not a big thing and I'm pretty sorry for it. I wish I could feel as much for my country as you guys does... I mean, ffs, in most hockey tournaments I'm cheering for Kanada... :S

[Mister Agent]

Still haven't heard from my opponent.

[Pinder]

My laptop is currently down for the count, so I'm afraid I won't have reliable internet access for a while (at the very least, internet access with MWS installed), so I'm going to have to scoop this round and drop from the tournament :frown:.

[Eldariel]

Oh, sorry, didn't reflect at what date it is... Sadly, we swedes don't celebrate our independence very much, it's just not a big thing and I'm pretty sorry for it. I wish I could feel as much for my country as you guys does... I mean, ffs, in most hockey tournaments I'm cheering for Kanada... :S

That's 'cause you never had to fight for your independence, o' Swedish Overlords.

[Wargoos]

That's 'cause you never had to fight for your independence, o' Swedish Overlords.
What about me?
Should I be proud of being freed off bloody aristocracy to reddish communism?

[B0W53R]

Somebody has to be 0-3 so it might as well be me! Mujadaddy takes it 2-1.

[mujadaddy]

Confirmed, mujadaddy > B0w53r, 2-1

...since these things (Source tournaments) aren't sanctioned or anything, is there any interest in shaking up the process, specifically making matches 3 out of 5, or any other suggestions? I think the value in these things isn't reproducing a DCI environment, but rather gathering data about deck performance.

[lordofthepit]

PM'ed [SLAYER]Chaos.

[elof]

That's 'cause you never had to fight for your independence, o' Swedish Overlords.

Haha! True! The only thing we fight about is us vs you guys in the world cup of hockey :)

@Topic: No word from my opponent yet :(

[Mister Agent]

I dropped... Why am I in again...


Looks like my opponent dropped so I get a bye. Heh.

[Nihil Credo]

No reply from Deviruchi yet.

[Michael Keller]

I have heard back from Nazgath, but we're having some scheduling conflicts. I'm working on it.

[Nazgath]

Reporting a 2-1 win over Hollywood.

I played horribly and didn't get punished overly for it, while he just drew like shit.

[Michael Keller]

Reporting a 2-1 win over Hollywood.

I played horribly and didn't get punished overly for it, while he just drew like shit.

Lost 1-2 to Nazgath; confirmed. I gambled the third game being on the play with my opening seven. Unfortunately, I proceeded to draw no land for the next seven turns.

[pi4meterftw]

Confirmed, mujadaddy > B0w53r, 2-1

...since these things (Source tournaments) aren't sanctioned or anything, is there any interest in shaking up the process, specifically making matches 3 out of 5, or any other suggestions? I think the value in these things isn't reproducing a DCI environment, but rather gathering data about deck performance.

There's no reason to change anything. Actually, there's a reason to favor not making this change other than it not being how a real tournament would proceed, and that is that it might create more drops since people will probably have a hard time finding enough time to sit down at their computer. I could probably do first to 3 wins, but I don't favor such a "format" since it would not parallel the official policy.

[irrelevant]

RoddyVR wins 2-1 good games and drop me from the tournament. My comp just disconnected after game three i wasn't being a dick :)

[RoddyVR]

RoddyVR wins 2-1 good games and drop me from the tournament. My comp just disconnected after game three i wasn't being a dick :)

Confirmed 2-1 for me. realy good games. seemed like both of us drew more answers then things to have answered. I'm glad we realy lucked on on the disconnects... got one after game 1 ended but before game 2 started, and then again after game 3 ended.
Its wierd having a tournament go on for weeks.

[roopa]

i won 2-0 over forbiddian.

looked like mws wasnt giving him lands. oh well, ggs.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Won 2-1.

[elof]

Still no word...

[mujadaddy]

There's no reason to change anything. NO reason? Umm, ok.


Actually, there's a reason to favor not making this change -- it might create more dropsLong round time is why it's not done officially. If you can find 30 minutes, you ought to be able to find an hour.



I could probably do first to 3 wins, but I don't favor such a "format" since it would not parallel the official policy.But these tournaments aren't official ANYWAY. All I'm saying is that you'd get much more interesting data from more matches than from the 2/3. 2/3 actually produces more RANDOM results than more matches would.

As I mentioned, a non-sanctioned tournament ought to produce results that are insightful, not merely structured similarly to the sanctioned.

[Michael Keller]

Right, but in doing so you'd be skewing data when the tournament is actually finished. It's a novel idea, but in an honest tournament match two games out of three is the standard for which we base our matches to begin with. If someone gets mana-screwed (like I did), that's the way it is.

If we wanted to use MWS as a testing utility (which we do anyways), we could play a hundred matches outside of this event. In mock-sanctioned play, the standard event rules should be set in place.

[RoddyVR]

It would also skew the Pre/post board relevance of a match... if i lose horribly to combo game one, but then board in enough hate that i can keep it in check prety easily after board, my match against them is still not great, cause they win game one, and then i have to not be unlucky for two games. If its 5 games, then i have considerably more chances WITH my sideboard then i do without.

[Dan Turner]

4 more matches to go

[pi4meterftw]

NO reason? Umm, ok.

Long round time is why it's not done officially. If you can find 30 minutes, you ought to be able to find an hour.

But these tournaments aren't official ANYWAY. All I'm saying is that you'd get much more interesting data from more matches than from the 2/3. 2/3 actually produces more RANDOM results than more matches would.

As I mentioned, a non-sanctioned tournament ought to produce results that are insightful, not merely structured similarly to the sanctioned.

Yeah, obviously there's no reason but if you need the proof, read the two posts below yours. I just thought it was so self-evident as to not need justification, since afterall, what you want in testing is to see how your deck would do in a real tournament, so even one thing being different (no goyfs, for example) would render the data essentially useless. It'd be fun, sure. That's why I participated. But you can't also use the data except possibly in in rather inconvenient (read nearly impossible) ways. (Where you essentially keep the part of the data that still works.) I won't say more about how the "tournaments aren't official ANYWAY" than just to note that it's ridiculous to do something stupid, in general, just because you can. As a special case of this principal, what I'm claiming about that comment follows.

As for your last comment, if you are wondering about how a first person to win 3 games tournament would go, then I guess you would find such a tournament insightful. But I gather that what you're actually interested in is how good various decks are. in that case, if you played best to 3, you'd end up trying to remember every match who got to two wins first so that you could remember some relevant data, and then that would be skewed because it would have changed who won the match and stuff. Reasons like this make compensating for ridiculously altered tournament rules nearly impossible when trying to collect meaningful data.

Also, lastly I'd like to address your comment that "If you can find 30 minutes, you ought to be able to find an hour." I find no basis for this at all. Afterall, what if one can find 45 minutes? Unless you're saying that's impossible, there's your disproof.

[Forbiddian]

Actually, for untimed rounds, DCI tends to sanction best 3/5 on the pro tour, for all the reasons stated.

Although changing it mid-tournament might screw over some combo players (esp. weird combos) who were banking on a free win game 1, it'd be nice if the next tournament was held best 3/5.

[Dan Turner]

I will think about it

[mossivo1986]

I think 3-5 would be a better situation anyways. But only for the top 8. It's un-real that anyone is fighting AGAINST 3-5 based on time. Drop from the tourney if you don't have time. You shouldn't have played with the assumption that you may not have time anyways. Geeze.

[roopa]

i don't know about you guys, but i don't feel like playing 5 games against landstill or counterbalance.dec. Dont get me wrong, i enjoy wasting 4 hours of my life just as much as the next guy, but it might create some scheduling issues.

[Dan Turner]

ok here are going to be the prizes:


For the next Tournament

1st 4 Byes
2nd 3 byes
3rd 2 Byes
4th 1 Bye

[elof]

Still no word...

Still nothing and I'm not sure I have time tomorrow, I can't book up my time just in case... :/

[Deviruchi]

Deviruchi wins 2-0 vs Nihil Credo

[elof]

And again nothing, I won't be up for many more hours and I got a ton of other stuff to do... :/

[xTrainx]

And again nothing, I won't be up for many more hours and I got a ton of other stuff to do... :/

Sorry, I've been away on vacation and forgot to let you guys know. I'll drop, giving elof an 0-2 win.

[pi4meterftw]

ok here are going to be the prizes:


For the next Tournament

1st 4 Byes
2nd 3 byes
3rd 2 Byes
4th 1 Bye

Will 3rd and 4th be decided by a match or swiss standings, or something else?

[Dan Turner]

Will 3rd and 4th be decided by a match or swiss standings, or something else?

swiss standings

[rockout]

I think 4 byes is way too many. I think 3-2-1-1 seems pretty fair. 4 byes is almost guaranteeing a top 8 again.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Sigh. Haven't heard back from Stuckpixel since Tuesday the 30th of June. I guess that means another draw for me.

I've been rather disappointed with my lot in this tournament. I've tried extremely hard to be very available despite (still) currently lacking my laptop, yet only succeeded in actually playing one match. It's very frustrating.

Because my laptop STILL isn't fixed (it's been a month, and it was supposed to take only four days tops...), I am going to have to drop from the tournament. I am heading for Europe tomorrow morning, and without my laptop I simply cannot guarantee being able to play any games. Not that it really matters, of course.

So, yeah. Draw and drop, I guess. :frown:

[Dan Turner]

Sigh. Haven't heard back from Stuckpixel since Tuesday the 30th of June. I guess that means another draw for me.

I've been rather disappointed with my lot in this tournament. I've tried extremely hard to be very available despite (still) currently lacking my laptop, yet only succeeded in actually playing one match. It's very frustrating.

Because my laptop STILL isn't fixed (it's been a month, and it was supposed to take only four days tops...), I am going to have to drop from the tournament. I am heading for Europe tomorrow morning, and without my laptop I simply cannot guarantee being able to play any games. Not that it really matters, of course.

So, yeah. Draw and drop, I guess. :frown:


UMM there are no draws if he does not post he drops and you get the win

[Nihil Credo]

Deviruchi wins 2-0 vs Nihil Credo
Confirmed.

[rockout]

If someone drops I'm willing to fill in for them. You can just give me all loses up to this point I don't really care. If it means someone gets an opponent I'm cool with it.

[Maveric78f]

I feel a bit concerned by the lateness of 4th round launch becasue I won't be available during the whole WE (and a bit more).

[mossivo1986]

I feel a bit concerned as well; as I have to take a laxative tonight. (sarcasm)

[lavafrogg]

Does anyone know whats going on?

[Dan Turner]

I just got back into town after the holiday

I will have next round up in 15 mins or so

Stuckpixel
[Slayer]Chaos
both are no show so they drop and give there opponent the win

[Dan Turner]

After 3 rounds of play






Tie 1 Tie 2 Tie 3 Matches
Rank No. Name Points OMW% PGW% OGW% P/W/D/B
1 16 0016, Maveric78f 9 55.5556 85.7143 51.5873 3/3/0/0
2 41 0041, Nazgath 9 55.5556 75.0000 53.4392 3/3/0/0
3 36 0036, lordofthepit 9 55.5556 75.0000 48.6111 3/3/0/0
4 18 0018, spirit of the wretch 9 44.4444 100.0000 44.4444 3/3/0/0
5 40 0040, pi4meterftw 9 44.4444 85.7143 42.6587 3/3/0/0
6 27 0027, lavafrogg 9 44.4444 75.0000 46.2963 3/3/0/0
7 31 0031, [SLAYER]chaos 6 77.7778 50.0000 72.6190 3/2/0/0
8 30 0030, HdH_Cthulhu 6 72.2222 66.6667 69.0476 3/2/0/0
9 9 0009, Hollywood 6 66.6667 55.5556 60.1190 3/2/0/0
10 21 0021, RoddyVR 6 66.6667 50.0000 64.2196 3/2/0/0
11 24 0024, 4eak 6 61.1111 71.4286 56.3492 3/2/0/0
12 5 0005, kroelai 6 55.5556 71.4286 53.5714 3/2/0/0
13 39 0039, Mister Agent 6 55.5556 62.5000 47.2222 3/2/0/0
14 4 0004, mossivo1986 6 55.5556 57.1429 53.9683 3/2/0/0
15 32 0032, The Wes 6 55.5556 55.5556 54.1005 3/2/0/0
16 22 0022, Eldariel 6 44.4444 71.4286 42.0635 3/2/0/0
17 1 0001, Goaswerfraiejen 6 44.4444 71.4286 38.8889 3/2/0/0
18 17 0017, Genericcactus 6 44.4444 62.5000 47.0899 3/2/0/0
19 28 0028, TheInfamousBearAssassin 6 44.4444 62.5000 44.4444 3/2/0/0
20 7 0007, Van Phanel 6 44.4444 57.1429 48.1481 3/2/0/0
21 10 0010, Elof 6 38.8889 66.6667 38.8889 3/2/0/0
22 45 0045, Deviruchi 6 33.3333 66.6667 40.2778 3/2/0/0
23 29 0029, Sanguine Voyeur 3 77.7778 50.0000 68.0556 3/1/0/0
24 33 0033, muradin 3 75.0000 50.0000 75.0000 2/1/0/0
25 6 0006, blueneverfails 3 66.6667 50.0000 66.6667 2/1/0/0
26 47 0047, Pinder 3 66.6667 42.8571 64.2857 2/0/0/1
27 42 0042, Nihil Credo 3 66.6667 37.5000 65.6085 3/1/0/0
28 25 0025, stuckpixel 3 66.6667 33.3333 68.2540 3/1/0/0
29 14 0014, Dark_Shakuras 3 66.6667 33.3333 56.9444 3/1/0/0
30 34 0034, irrelevant 3 55.5556 44.4444 49.4709 3/1/0/0
31 26 0026, roopa 3 55.5556 42.8571 53.4392 3/1/0/0
32 8 0008, Guevera59 3 55.5556 42.8571 50.4630 3/1/0/0
33 3 0003, Julian23 3 55.5556 33.3333 53.9683 3/1/0/0
34 12 0012, xTrainx 3 55.5556 33.3333 52.3810 3/1/0/0
35 11 0011, mujadaddy 3 44.4444 44.4444 42.6587 3/1/0/0
36 15 0015, Elfrago 3 44.4444 42.8571 52.9101 3/1/0/0
37 23 0023, heroicraptor 3 44.4444 42.8571 46.2302 3/1/0/0
38 13 0013, SpikeyMikey 0 100.0000 0.0000 100.0000 1/0/0/0
39 19 0019, tyleredw 0 100.0000 0.0000 100.0000 1/0/0/0
40 43 0043, clavio 0 100.0000 0.0000 100.0000 1/0/0/0
41 2 0002., Zir 0 75.0000 20.0000 58.3333 2/0/0/0
42 44 0044, B0W53R 0 66.6667 14.2857 65.6085 3/0/0/0
43 46 0046, Forbiddian 0 66.6667 0.0000 63.0952 3/0/0/0
44 38 0038, Roman Candle 0 50.0000 20.0000 50.0000 2/0/0/0
45 20 0020, DuxDucis 0 50.0000 0.0000 55.0000 2/0/0/0
46 35 0035, Magic Fanatic 0 50.0000 0.0000 50.0000 2/0/0/0
47 37 0037, ykpon 0 33.3333 0.0000 39.6825 3/0/0/0