Super Tuesday.dec

[(nameless one)]

Hey guys,

Theres this kid in our meta and he has this black control deck that some of us cant figure out. Its a hybrid between pox and reanimator. The deck is good but it does need some tweaking. Im telling you, this newb has potential.

Super Tuesday (LastManStanding).dec:

20 Swamps

4 stinkweed imp
3 Necroplasm
2 Empyrial Archangel
2 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Tombstalker

4 Dread Return
4 Small Pox
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Dark Ritual
4 Night's Whisper

basically the way he runs it is play hand disruption, then either start dredging with imp and nplasm then he dread returns either his angel or leviathan.

tombstaker is there as a just in case

small pox, according to him, is an early disruption, as well as a discard outlet. i dont see if this is a wasted slot, so far, it was working for him.

nplasms are there as a pseudo-Pdeed, its his only way to deal with swarms.

i told him to run Sign in Blood from the upcoming M10 over night's whisper.

Bitterblossom was also added as an idea.

speaking of bitterblossom, would losing life deflect to impy archangel?

If you guys want to comment or add, please feel free...

thanks in advance


PS. i got the name Super Tuesday after Black Monday. we were talking about Black Monday and the history behind it... something about drugs, w/e

[MTG-Fan]

Why no Dark Confidant over Night's Whisper?

[jthanatos]

Why no Dark Confidant over Night's Whisper?

2 Empyrial Archangel
2 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Tombstalker
4 Dread Return



Ouch.

[keys]

Edit: jthanatos beat me to it.

Necroplasm is cool, but Powder Keg or Nevinyral's Disk is probably better.

Why Dread Return instead of cheaper spells like Animate Dead?

[shaneswa]

Edit: jthanatos beat me to it.

Necroplasm is cool, but Powder Keg or Nevinyral's Disk is probably better.

Why Dread Return instead of cheaper spells like Animate Dead?

He's dredging and using Dread Returns flashback cost.

[(nameless one)]

I believe necroplasm is there as a dredger, as well as a dread return fodder. But, powder keg does deserve some testing.

Still can't decide what to remove so we can run bitterblossoms.

And I'm the land base can use some tweaking right?

What about better reanimation targets?

[MTG-Fan]

Well, if you ran SDT in addition to Confidant, you could avoid hitting those fatties. And despite all of those extra spaces taken up by SDT it would probably still make for a better draw engine than Night's Whisper.

[Maveric78f]

Well I would remove the fatties before removing confidant. Then I would add islands and forest for BS, daze, FoW, CB, ponder, tarmo, pulse, etc...

You see my point. That deck should be in casual. How do you play to flashback dread return with 7 castable creatures in your deck ???

[(nameless one)]

Well I would remove the fatties before removing confidant. Then I would add islands and forest for BS, daze, FoW, CB, ponder, tarmo, pulse, etc...

You see my point. That deck should be in casual. How do you play to flashback dread return with 7 castable creatures in your deck ???

so basically youre telling me to turn this deck into a UGb countertop deck?

seriously...

this is why i suggested bitterblossoms and not all the time, it would be flashbacked anyways...


I dunno, it's funny. You read these boards and realize that people go two ways. They're immediately dismissive of decks they don't understand and at the same time look at standings as the be all and end all. They dismiss decks with strong finishes that they don't like as lucky in their pairings but assume that any deck they like with a strong finish must've gotten there through pure goodness and not through favorable matchups or lucky peels.

Generally speaking, neither is the case, it's usually somewhere between, but you'll hear people talk about the deck that won x tournament as if it's God's gift to the format.

I remember back to when the banned list split off from Vintage's B/R list. Everyone on this site was absolutely convinced that combo was simply going to dominate. Null Rod was considered a 4-of must have for board.

I also remember when I first posted my 4c Landstill. It wasn't like I was just posting some theoretical decklist, I was posting a deck that had finished T4 in 50+ man tournaments 3 weeks running. People told me that it looked like shit. Deed sucks, they said, play Wrath. Edict is terrible, they said, Plow is all you need. Nantuko Monastery? It doesn't even block Conclave... But here we are, 3 years later, and UGBW Landstill is still in the DTB forum. Nobody respected the archtype until Nick made T8 with it. Of course, he was running a fairly different list at that point, a year after I first started playing the deck in SD, but it was still the same concept. Everyone thought it sucked, until it T8'd. I guess the forums are just like that.

what he said...

[Pltnmngl]

wow...that's the type of deck I've been thinking about for the past week! Sweet! I knew MBC had potential. I was still struggling with a finisher, though...

[Maëlig]

How do you play to flashback dread return with 7 castable creatures in your deck ???
This.
I tend to encourage (or at least be sympathetic to) people playing rogue decks, but that doesn't mean just throwing random ideas out there. I would go either towards pox or reanimator if you want to improve the deck, both of these decks seem superior to it (but are still lackluster imo).

[dirtyapes]

How about Arena for draw? You have the dark rits to power it out early and you dont have to worry about hitting a fatty like with Bob.

[(nameless one)]

How about Arena for draw? You have the dark rits to power it out early and you dont have to worry about hitting a fatty like with Bob.

you mean Phyrexian Arena right? it was brought up originally but we'd have to remove Night's Whisper for this. I think right now, its unnecessary to run Arenas. if im going to run Bitterblossoms, its definitely a no because i dont want to have consistent life losses.

[DragoFireheart]

The pox spells seem counter productive. I say cut small pox and put Thoughtsieze in.


Also... why would I want to use this deck over Ichorid?

[jimirynk]

Bitterblossom + dread return seems decent.

But I see no reason not to run blue in this deck..

[(nameless one)]

Why not Ichorid? maybe I don't like the concept of getting nerfed when someone sacrifices something. Maybe I just don't like running Ichorid deck. Has it ever occured to you guys that why not run something new and actually win with it? You know, the word called creativity. It just doesn't exist in the dictionaries. Maybe I just want to run something different than the already proven decks.

I like the idea of running permission and we already run Slurpee (inkwell lev.). Although running blue would give this deck a different look. It might end up a straightforward blue/black reanimator. But it doest deserve some testing.

[Maveric78f]

Why not Ichorid? maybe I don't like the concept of getting nerfed when someone sacrifices something. Maybe I just don't like running Ichorid deck. Has it ever occured to you guys that why not run something new and actually win with it? You know, the word called creativity. It just doesn't exist in the dictionaries. Maybe I just want to run something different than the already proven decks.

I like the idea of running permission and we already run Slurpee (inkwell lev.). Although running blue would give this deck a different look. It might end up a straightforward blue/black reanimator. But it doest deserve some testing.

The problem with what you propose is that it does not win neither is the reanimation concept new. If by original you mean worse then you'd probably better post in the casual forum, even if I doubt you would find anyone interested.