suspend

[Vacrix]

Recoup 1(r)
Sorcery
Target sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (Mana cost includes color.)
Flashback: 3(r) (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)



Wheel of Fate
Sorcery
Wheel of Fate is red.
Suspend 4— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay 1(r) and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Each player discards his or her hand, then draws seven cards.



normally i cant play wheel of fate because cards 'without mana costs' can't be hard casted (to my understanding). so you cant play them from your hand. however you can play them in other ways ie. suspend: "rather than cast this card from your hand..." (another alternative way to play a card is flashback)

the question is, can i discard it, and play it from the grave via flashback from recoup? it isn't being played as though it was in my hand like with yawgmoth's will. does the no mana cost translate into 0 while its in the grave?


the other interaction i was curious about was panoptic mirror. can you imprint wheel of fate (or any of the other cards in this cycle) on panoptic mirror?

[Malchar]

I'm pretty sure that you can't play it with flashback. The converted mana cost of the card does turn into zero, but the mana cost does not. The mana cost is the same as it is when it's in your hand. It still wont have a mana cost and you still can't play it for the same reason you can't play it from your hand.

You can exile the card with Panoptic Mirror's ability. As for playing the copies created by the mirror...

[quicksilver]

I'm pretty sure that you can't play it with flashback. The converted mana cost of the card does turn into zero, but the mana cost does not. The mana cost is the same as it is when it's in your hand. It still wont have a mana cost and you still can't play it for the same reason you can't play it from your hand.

You can exile the card with Panoptic Mirror's ability. As for playing the copies created by the mirror...

Yes you can play the Panoptic Mirror copies because the card let's you play it without paying it's mana cost. So by letting you skip the unpayable cost, it allows you to be able to play it.

[Anusien]

Mana costs never magically become something else. In fact, you can't ever change the mana cost of a card (except with copy effects and Volrath's Shapeshifter). You cannot ever pay Wheel of Fate's mana cost, no matter if the card is in your graveyard, your hand, or in a train. You can pay its converted mana cost (0) if something requires you to, and you can cast it without paying its mana cost if something like Mind's Desire allows you to.

[Malchar]

116.6a If an unpayable cost is increased by an effect or an additional cost is imposed, the cost is still unpayable. If an alternative cost is applied to an unpayable cost, including an effect that allows a player to cast a spell without paying its mana cost, the alternative cost may be paid.