Oh My god

[adrieng]

I present a new deck which I have tested a bit. I need some feedback and some more testing, but the deck looks really prometing.
The deck is based on some combo and is very consistent.
Here is the list :
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
1 [A] Tropical Island
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
2 [SHM] Forest (1)
2 [ON] Windswept Heath
2 [U] Bayou
2 [B] Taiga
3 [CST] Mountain (2)
3 [5E] City of Brass

// Creatures
1 [CFX] Progenitus
1 [MM] Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 [WL] Veteran Explorer
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
4 [IA] Orcish Lumberjack
4 [R] Birds of Paradise
3 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder

// Spells
4 [PT] Natural Order
4 [EX] Survival of the Fittest
4 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [TE] Intuition
3 [SHM] Firespout

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [FUT] Yixlid Jailer
SB: 4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
SB: 2 [JU] Ray of Revelation
SB: 1 [TSP] Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 [FNM] Cabal Therapy

The combo are multiple :

there is the natural order combo which can win the game pretty fast and the second combo is intuition on three demigod. Or survival for demigod ftw.


One of the best card in this deck is orcish lumberjak it makes the deck broken making all your lands for a four mana black lotus.

Veteran explorer is quite good, cause he can chumpblock and still provides mana.

I have tested goyf in the deck but he is really to weak for this deck, he'll never end the game and more redundancy is way better.

I have tested some matchups but not extensively.

So far, I have found merfolk to be slightly favorable, countertop can be slightly favorable or even depending if they pack medling mage/clique. Eva green and team america are slightly favorable.

I have found zoo/tempo thresh (splash red) and gob to be unfavorable, deck spalshing red seems to be the problem of the deck. But, you still have a fighting chance with spout main sakura and veteran explorer.

If someone wants to test tier one decks against my deck PM me.

[MTG-Fan]

Awesome. Finally a good use for my Orcish Lumberjacks, one of my favorite old cards!

[DrJones]

Don't say that Orcish Lumberjack is broken, because then all the elitists will jump to your neck because it's card disadvantage. :cool:

I tried Carpet of Flowers, too, but so far it always got dazed on the early game, and it soon becomes useless later. :/

[adrieng]

Don't say that Orcish Lumberjack is broken, because then all the elitists will jump to your neck because it's card disadvantage.

I tried Carpet of Flowers, too, but so far it always got dazed on the early game, and it soon becomes useless later. :

When you play intuition for three demigods, you don't care of card disadvantage cause game is over now. Black lotus is also card disadvatange, dark ritual is card disadvantage as well as stifle nought is also card disadvantage (I agree for this one that nougt is not really good).
In this deck orcish is a must answer or game will be over soon, power is sometimes more important that card disadvantage.

[Dark_Cynic87]

And Relic ruins Intuition---->Demigod. I think this is kinda janky, and Wastelock pwns you.

Also, Cabal Therapy in the same list as Natural Order, where all the creatures you can sacrifice are green? I'd rather see Duress. Don't worry about their creatures as yours outclass virtually everything anyone plays except for Tombstalker and the inevitable mirror NO-->Prog.

More later, @ work now.

Pce,

--DC

[tsabo_tavoc]

Oh My God, cool deck list:laugh:
I think Duress/Thoughtseize should be in the deck or all the opponent should answer is Natural Order, or sometimes Intuition.

[adrieng]

And Relic ruins Intuition---->Demigod. I think this is kinda janky, and Wastelock pwns you.

Also, Cabal Therapy in the same list as Natural Order, where all the creatures you can sacrifice are green? I'd rather see Duress. Don't worry about their creatures as yours outclass virtually everything anyone plays except for Tombstalker and the inevitable mirror NO-->Prog.

More later, @ work now.

Pce,

You know when you face a relic you can choose to go for 3 natural order as well, and as you see in the sb there are 3 ancient grudge, they are not there for nothing.
As for cabal therapy, this is by far better than thoughtseize, it seems you have never played decks such as aluren etc...
When you play 16 creatures which can be sacced+ dryad arbor, and the main card to name is fow, I miss ok NO or intuition=>gg.

As for duress/thoughtseize, you have acces to virtually 7(3main+4BW) cabal therapy and as said before the only card you have to worry about is fow.

Wastelock is sometimes too slow, I still play 16 creatures that makes mana and a lonly orcish+one land in hand is 4 mana, or just lay a fetch+play a land for demigod/NO whatever.

[DrJones]

Here's my take, still under development:

// NAME: RGw Gods
// COMMENT: Legacy RGw deck
// AUTHOR: Carlos Hoyos (DrJones)

// Lands
4 [U] Taiga
1 [TSP] Mountain (4)
3 [9E] Forest (3)
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [U] Plateau
1 [B] Savannah

// Creatures
3 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
3 [IA] Tinder Wall
4 [FNM] Basking Rootwalla
4 [CST] Orcish Lumberjack
1 [CFX] Progenitus
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
3 [ALA] Wild Nacatl
3 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
2 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder

// Spells
3 [EX] Survival of the Fittest
3 [PT] Natural Order
2 [M10] Garruk Wildspeaker
3 [EX] Price of Progress
3 [JU] Burning Wish

//Sideboard: (still under study)
1 Natural Order
1 Meltdown
1 Stronghold's Gambit (lol)
1 Reverent Silence
1 Firespout
1 Ancient Grudge
4 Gaddock Teeg
3 Choke
2 Relic of Progenitus

Main changes:

RGw instead of RGBu
Survival of the fittest instead of Intuition
Uses Garruk because it's badass
Uses Zoo creatures



The Combos:
1. Play Lumberjack or Wall, sacrifice a green creature (usually dryad arbor) to get Progenitus. Plan A to victory.
2. Get Survival and discard demigod after demigod. When you cast the last, it doesn't matter if it gets countered, because his brothers enter play and finnish the game for you. Plan B to victory.
3. Alternatively, discard rootwallas to Survival to get instant chump-blockers/free weenies. Along with Garruk makes for a Plan C to victory.
4. Another way is to attack with weenies and/or beast tokens and use Price of Progress to finnish the job. Usually good enough when you don't find a combo piece and have to cast a single Demigod from your hand. Plan D.

I'm still not sure about that last part, actually. I have it in there because I really need cheap green creatures, but maybe it would be better to use more utility cards and removal.

[adrieng]

Dr Jones : your deck doesn't look at all like my initial post, I don't want to talk about the deck you posted : you don't play intuition which is one of the best card in the deck, my deck doesn't focuse on killing the opponent with swarm goyf/nacatl/qasali. Neither do you play cabal therapy, sorry but I'ld like that you delete your post, and post in a new thread, thanks. Your deck is a aggro deck with some combo pieces which can do multiple things, my deck has got one goal plan which doesn't rely on creatures but focuse on casting a spell that end the game right now.

[Nessaja]

Maybe this will satisfy your needs, maybe not.

4 Countryside Crusher
2 Lorescale Couatl
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Orcish Lumberjack
4 Demigod of Revenge

4 Intuition
3 Life from the Loam
3 Devastating Dreams

4 Mox Diamond
4 Burning Wish

4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Tropical Island
3 Tranquil Thicket
4 Forgotten Cave
3 Taiga
1 Bayou
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland

I think a Loam plan is much stronger then Order -> Progenitus, because it's much harder for populair decks to deal with, I think. Not that sure of Couatl. But the demigod plan even works without Intuition this way.

Anyway, if this is too far off from your plan don't bother I just thought it'd be fun to test.

[adrieng]

Nessaja, your list seems interesting, you can go turn two crusher+devasating dreams :P. Though it is not what I am testing, and it seems that without orcish you'll never be able to cast demigod that's a huge problem

[DrJones]

Dr Jones : your deck doesn't look at all like my initial post, I don't want to talk about the deck you posted : you don't play intuition which is one of the best card in the deck, my deck doesn't focuse on killing the opponent with swarm goyf/nacatl/qasali. Neither do you play cabal therapy, sorry but I'ld like that you delete your post, and post in a new thread, thanks. Your deck is a aggro deck with some combo pieces which can do multiple things, my deck has got one goal plan which doesn't rely on creatures but focuse on casting a spell that end the game right now.adrieng: sorry but you are a moron. And here's why:

As far as I understand, you are splashing a FOURTH color to play intuition, just to put Demigod on the graveyard. If you play Survival of the Fittest, you don't have to splash blue because you can do this:
1. discard a creature to search for demigod, demigod, demigod, then play demigod.
2. Also, survival is green and can use the extra mana of the orcish woodcutter, with which I managed to win on turn three with the above mentioned method.
3. Survival also allows you some cute tricks and tutors for creatures such as woodcutter, qasali (to destroy artifact/enchantments), and rootwallas (to sacrifice, for example)
4. Survival of the Fittest is not useless against decks playing leyline of the void and other graveyard hate, because you can do the rootwalla and qasali tricks.
5. Also, you can cycle useless creatures with it.

Same idea, better implementation. I'm not changing the focus of the deck even though I'm not playing intuition.

Now, to the second problem:
Your deck has too many "elves". You have too many crappy creatures that only give you mana even though the deck doesn't have any need of them, because you run 8 fetchlands plus the dryad. I merely took the chaff from your decklist and replaced them with different chaff. (nacatl, qasali, tarmo, etc). The focus on the combo win is left untouched but now you have a backup plan if your combos are neutered, which your list lacks. Maybe I could use better ones, but at any rate is at least an improvement over what you have.

Third:
Because the Demigod triggers even if countered, I don't think I really need to splash a fourth color for cabal therapy, and the decks that run counters already will have to deal with the strong start the deck packs. I might put them back in the list but for now I don't see a reason. :rolleyes:

[beastman]

If you're going to play survival, you need to have squee in the deck. The main point of survival is to slowly gain card advantage, and squee is far and away the best way to do that.

[adrieng]

adrieng: sorry but you are a moron. And here's why:

As far as I understand, you are splashing a FOURTH color to play intuition, just to put Demigod on the graveyard. If you play Survival of the Fittest, you don't have to splash blue because you can do this:
1. discard a creature to search for demigod, demigod, demigod, then play demigod.
2. Also, survival is green and can use the extra mana of the orcish woodcutter, with which I managed to win on turn three with the above mentioned method.
3. Survival also allows you some cute tricks and tutors for creatures such as woodcutter, qasali (to destroy artifact/enchantments), and rootwallas (to sacrifice, for example)
4. Survival of the Fittest is not useless against decks playing leyline of the void and other graveyard hate, because you can do the rootwalla and qasali tricks.
5. Also, you can cycle useless creatures with it.

Same idea, better implementation. I'm not changing the focus of the deck even though I'm not playing intuition.



The idea behind intuition is also that it can pass counterbance what survival can't. Furthermore, can you tell me there is a huge difference of mana and cards in hand : you need a creature in hand and 2+1+1+1 then hardcast demigod rather than just paying intuition =3 mana for the same result.
Also, intuition can let you search for ancient grudge/cabal therapy (against combo)/ray of revelation, is instant speed, 3 Natural order if there is a leyline etc...

As you see, there is a show in tell in sb if you draw progenitus BW=>show and tell is the tech so blue is not only for intuition.

Furthermore, basking rootwalla is a very very weak creature in the format and shouldn't see play anymore.


Your deck has too many "elves". You have too many crappy creatures that only give you mana even though the deck doesn't have any need of them, because you run 8 fetchlands plus the dryad. I merely took the chaff from your decklist and replaced them with different chaff. (nacatl, qasali, tarmo, etc). The focus on the combo win is left untouched but now you have a backup plan if your combos are neutered, which your list lacks. Maybe I could use better ones, but at any rate is at least an improvement over what you have.


Speed is really important, you don't need to play creatures that want to attack see swarm.deck, your goal plan is to resolve intuition or NO, you have 3NO+4BW+4intuition+4sensei's+3 cabal+4 demigod that's a lot of gamebreaking cards. Your creatures are really to weak to end the game on their own and you should rather play zoo.

[DrJones]

I just added some vexing shusher to the deck, which is all you need to avoid counterbalance. You can even search for them with Survival. :/

Also, I just saw another thread on this forum named Zoo Hydra that has the same set of creatures I play and the Progenitus combo, but doesn't have the demigod combo, so basically my deck is an hybrid between these two.

[adrieng]

I just added some vexing shusher to the deck, which is all you need to avoid counterbalance. You can even search for them with Survival. :/


If survival is in play why searching for vexing shusher while you could just go for the demigod combo.
To my mind, vexing shusher should never be in the maindeck of anydeck. A deck that needs vexing shusher in the main to beat countertop is a deck that is already not viable.