Hissing Iguanar

[Valtrix]

I had a draft game the other day where I attacked with a 2/2 creature and it was blocked by a 3/1 hissing iguanar. We traded, and then I was dealt 1 point of damage (Which I was told happens). The damage seems a little strange to me though, since they should go to the graveyard simultaneously. I can't quite find this in the rules, so I'm curious why this works the way it does. Is it because the triggered ability functions similar to if he was checking to see if himself went to the graveyard? Does it matter if he is the active player?


Whenever another creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may have Hissing Iguanar deal 1 damage to target player.

[cdr]

603.6d. (http://yawgatog.com/resources/magic-rules/#R603.6d.) Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities must be treated specially because the object with the ability may no longer be on the battlefield, may have moved to a hand or library, or may no longer be controlled by the appropriate player. The game has to "look back in time" to determine if these abilities trigger. Leaves-the-battlefield abilities, abilities that trigger when a permanent phases out, abilities that trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or library, abilities that trigger specifically when an object becomes unattached, and abilities that trigger when a player loses control of an object will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the event rather than afterward.

Example: Two creatures are on the battlefield along with an artifact that has the ability "Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you gain 1 life." Someone plays a spell that destroys all artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. The artifact's ability triggers twice, even though the artifact goes to its owner's graveyard at the same time as the creatures.

[Dark_Shakuras]

Kinda related, alwasy wanted an official ruling on this one.

Lets say there are some number of Disciple of the Vaults in play, and some number of artifact creatures...


1. If Wrath of God is cast, does life loss accure?

2. Now lets say there is a Leyline of the Void, and the Wrath turned into Akroma's Vengance. Does the owner of the Leyline make a difference on if life loss accures?

Thanks

[brattin]

I witnessed a game in draft where two people were at a standstill, each having a bunch of creatures of roughly equivalent size and each having a hissing iguanar. It was the last turn in turns, and one guy stupidly attacked with everything. The other guy blocked with everything, and all of their creatures died, setting off both iguanars to kill eachother. However, the way it was explained to me, anyway, the guy who attacked got killed first, because his iguanar's ability went on the stack first, because it was his turn. Therefore, the other guy's iguanar's ability resolved first, killing him and winning the other guy the game. That seems kinda lame to me.

I mean, of course it was his own stupid fault for attacking into it without determining the consequences. But still, seems kind of counterintuitive.

This is what should have happened, right?

[Esper3k]

Yes, this actually comes up in the Affinity mirror matchup (each player having a Disciple and one having a Ravager in play).

When you have triggered abilities going on the stack, the active player's (player who's turn it is) triggered abilities go on the stack first (in whatever order he chooses), and then in the non-active player's triggered abilities go on the stack (in whatever order he chooses).

Then, you resolve the stack as normal so the non-active player's triggered abilities resolve first since they were put on last.

Kind of counter-intuitive, but that's how it works.

[cdr]

Kinda related, alwasy wanted an official ruling on this one.

Lets say there are some number of Disciple of the Vaults in play, and some number of artifact creatures...


1. If Wrath of God is cast, does life loss accure?

2. Now lets say there is a Leyline of the Void, and the Wrath turned into Akroma's Vengance. Does the owner of the Leyline make a difference on if life loss accures?

Thanks

1) Yes, for the same reason above.

2) No, it doesn't matter. The player who is being affected by Leyline will have his permanents exiled, never triggering Disicple, and the other player's artifacts will trigger Disciple like usual.

[HAVE HEART]

This is what should have happened, right?

Yes, active player's triggered abilities go on the stack first. So if Player A has a trigger and Player B has a trigger that both happen at the same time, then the active player's trigger (player whose turn it is) will go on the stack followed by the other player's trigger.