Tacosnape
08-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Alright, so, after reading GCA posts, I've been having a discussion about the wording on Loaming Shaman's ability. Specifically that in the same ability, you select both a target player and target cards.
The hypothetical situation is this:
1. Player A casts Loaming Shaman.
2. Loaming Shaman resolves.
3. Player B puts Loaming Shaman's trigger on the stack, targeting Player B and several assorted cards in Player B's graveyard.
4. Player B casts Gilded Light with the trigger still on the stack.
5. Gilded Light resolves.
Now, aside from the fact that Player B could have easily cast Gilded Light with Loaming Shaman itself still on the stack, what happens here?
607.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s moved out of the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions.
This would indicate that since all the targets aren't illegal, the ability would still resolve. How does this work, given that the player is now an illegal target but the cards in the yard aren't?
The hypothetical situation is this:
1. Player A casts Loaming Shaman.
2. Loaming Shaman resolves.
3. Player B puts Loaming Shaman's trigger on the stack, targeting Player B and several assorted cards in Player B's graveyard.
4. Player B casts Gilded Light with the trigger still on the stack.
5. Gilded Light resolves.
Now, aside from the fact that Player B could have easily cast Gilded Light with Loaming Shaman itself still on the stack, what happens here?
607.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s moved out of the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions.
This would indicate that since all the targets aren't illegal, the ability would still resolve. How does this work, given that the player is now an illegal target but the cards in the yard aren't?