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Infinitium
08-30-2009, 03:34 PM
Just an old deck of mine I stumbled upon just now and is looking to update. The basic premise is a Fish deck of sorts who just happens to pack both CounterTop and the possibly clunkiest 2cc card advantage engine around (albeit once it gets going it's rather.. spectacular). Good fun.

// Lands
2 [9E] Island (1)
1 [IN] Plains (3)
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
4 [B] Tundra
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
2 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair

// Creatures
2 [TSP] Serra Avenger
2 [CS] Jotun Grunt
4 [TSB] Auratogtogtogtogtogtogtogtog
1 [OD] Auramancer
4 [UL] Mother of Runes

// Spells
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [U] Swords to Plowshares
3 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
4 [CS] Counterbalance
4 [CS] Perilous Research
4 [GP] Hatching Plans
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [AL] Force of Will
1 [TSP] Spirit Loop

Suspicious cards breakdown:

Auratog: Basically a sac outlet for Hatching Plans that just happens to beat for 3 pretty reliably and gets rid of superflous Counterbalances nicely. Can go tricky with Oblivion Ring (sac it with the first ability on the stack to remove a nonland permanent permanently as well as the +2/+2).

Hatching Plans: Not "the" 2cc card engine by any stretch, but it has its advantages. Unlike Standstill it can be cast on a neutral to unfavorable board position, and it dissuades people from sweeping the board with Deed/EE@2.

Perilious Research: Ironically, as far as Instant blue 2cc card draw comes this is about as good as it gets (imo only slightly worse than Accumulated Knowledge in a Vaccuum). Choice things to sacrifice to it includes Hatching Plans, Flagstones of Trokair, Oblivion Ring with the first ability on the stack, extra lands and just about anything about to be targetted by any form of removal. Also it just so happens to be tech versus opposing Oblivion Rings. Rawr.

Auramancer: Probably in place of the 4th Oblivion Ring. Good, versatile mid to -lategame card advantage on a stick.

Spirit Loop: Allows Auratog to race in the lategame and whilst unspectacular is never -that- dead beforehand. Can also somewhat remedy the early game lack of pressure in an ideal world.

Sideboard?: Bluh. Probably contains the 4th Oblivion Ring, 4xRelics of Progenitus and some Meddling Mages and/or Dazes to nail that storm combo MU.

Not tier 1 material obviously, but it does work somehow and can get the edge versus opposing CounterTop decks thanks to MD O. Ring and the 5th Balance-by-Auramancer factor. Opinions?

chokin
08-30-2009, 05:22 PM
I hate to be the guy to say it, but running bad cards (Perilous Research and Auratog) to make bad cards (Hatching Plans and even Spirit Loop) better isn't good.

I honestly think that
-4 HP
-4 Auratog
-4 PR
-1 Spirit Loop
-1 Auramancer

+1 STP
+1 Island
+4 Spell Snare/Counterspell
+4 Standstill or Ponder
+4 Daze or extra beats

Without a sac outlet, HP is awful and Spirit Loop isn't so great. Without HP, Auratog probably won't be eating ORings that were already there or extra CB. Plus with 17 lands, do you really have a lot of mana to be recycling Spirit Loop?

Also, CBTop decks have been running more 3cc cards lately whether it's Vendillion Clique, Trinket Mage, Shackles, RWM, Coatl, or even Firespout in some lists.

boltking
08-31-2009, 06:30 PM
The deck imho looks like it wants to be like a fish variant. id take out the cards chokin pointed out and add cards like ponder, ninja of the deep hour, sage of epityr, more jotun grunts like this.

Creatures//
3x ninja of the deep hour
4x jotun grunt
4x sage of epityr
4x icatian javelineer
3x serra avenger

Spells/disruption
4x force of will
3x spell snare/daze
3x swords to plowshares
3x counterbalance
4x brainstorm
3x senseis divining top

Mana sources//
4x polluted delta
4x flooded strand
4x tundra
3x plains
3x island
4x wasteland

This is just one of my fav decks if you want to play U/W this would be a good primer to work from. You could toss in Aether vials somewhere too

Mark Sun
08-31-2009, 07:19 PM
The deck imho looks like it wants to be like a fish variant. id take out the cards chokin pointed out and add cards like ponder, ninja of the deep hour, sage of epityr, more jotun grunts like this.
<snip>


I think you missed the point of the deck, which is to run off the Hatching Plans /// Perilous Research draw engine.



I hate to be the guy to say it, but running bad cards (Perilous Research and Auratog) to make bad cards (Hatching Plans and even Spirit Loop) better isn't good.

<Insert changes>

As great as those changes are to basic UW Fish, I think the guy just wants to run his deck, you know what I mean?


@ OP: I feel like the O-Rings could be cut, tbh. Keeping you in the spirit of the deck, I don't think CB/Top is needed. I'd go for cards like Daze, etc for your counters. Hell, run an Abjure if you want.

boltking
08-31-2009, 07:32 PM
[QUOTE=Morbid-;376589]I think you missed the point of the deck, which is to run off the Hatching Plans /// Perilous Research draw engine.




As great as those changes are to basic UW Fish, I think the guy just wants to run his deck, you know what I mean?

yea your right keeping as is i would prolly just add a few more beats. Its not that bad of an engine just wouldnt be my choice is all. Im just a big fan of fish types but its not everyones cup of tea.

Media314r8
09-01-2009, 11:17 AM
I tried this once. You want phantatog, splash green for goyf, and replenish with standstill, vial, decree of silence, seal of removal, rancor. I tried and tried to make this deck work, no dice. GL with it. I promise, try out phantatog + replenish, its about the only way the deck wins other than rancor + tog.

chokin
09-01-2009, 10:37 PM
I tried this once. You want phantatog, splash green for goyf, and replenish with standstill, vial, decree of silence, seal of removal, rancor. I tried and tried to make this deck work, no dice. GL with it. I promise, try out phantatog + replenish, its about the only way the deck wins other than rancor + tog.

Replenish + Auratog/Phantatog is good, but it's just not enough. You are right about green for Goyf and probably Rancor. Goyf's better than Grunt by far.

Replenishing into even one Hatching Plans is cute, but you wont have the mana to play everything. It's just not doing enough.

Esper3k
09-01-2009, 10:56 PM
I have a casual deck that uses Rancor + Auratog + Enchantress effect to draw/pump the Auratog.

Rancor is also fun because once he gets ridiculously big, it allows him to trample through as well! :)

Co cccc
09-02-2009, 02:50 AM
Zur the Enchanter?