Natural order may be too much

[blacklotus3636]

I was just testing a survival/natural order list and I immediately got the sense that it was as strong or maybe even stronger than survival. That set off some alarm bells with me because I tend to think of survival, countertop, chalice based aggro and others as being near the top of the power curve in legacy. I don't think natural order was so bad when the best thing you could fetch wasn't that hard to deal with but I think its possible that progenitus may have put it over the top. Its not that progenitus is so hard to deal with its that the current environment doesn't have alot if any ways to deal with it since mass removal is really one of the only ways to deal with it. If natural order continues its rise it could force a radical change in the metgame possibly toward more control with sweepers.
I also want to point out that natural order definately feels like legacy's tinker. Not as fast for sure but definately just as brutal in the formats they're in.
Thoughts?

[mujadaddy]

Thoughts?Wall of text is wall.

I think what you meant to say is that NO=>Progenitus is really strong.

I don't think it's particularly any scarier than any other superscaryLegacy combination.

[P.S.]

Wall of text is wall.
A paragraph is a wall of text? Man, I bet you have nightmares about books.

Natural Order is strong but not broken. It's not too good, because it's 4cc and requires you to sacrifice a green creature. Plus, the "bomb" that you go to get with it can also be dealt with. It's not too powerful at all.

[Leftconsin]

I don't see NO warping the format as much as Tarmogoyf or CounterTop did. In a format where countermagic costs no mana, a 5/6 costs 1G, and there is a deck that can win without resolving a single spell, four mana for a guy that you have to board in Hibernation for isn't all that insane. Relatively speaking.

[jthanatos]

This thread already covered this. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14537)

[beastman]

What deck can win without resolving a spell?

[morgan_coke]

I think he's referring to Ichorid, though I could be wrong.

[Leftconsin]

I think he's referring to Ichorid, though I could be wrong.

No, thats it.

[beastman]

It really can't win without casting a spell if it's facing another deck, but whatever.

[Elfrago]

If natural order is busted, then what the hell countertop is??


If natural order continues its rise it could force a radical change in the metgame possibly toward more control with sweepers.

Natural Order rise already stabilized, it's not like every deck is splashing green for it. So, no, it isn't format-twisting.

[Bardo]

This thread already covered this. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14537)

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