[Rumor] Get your 15 foils for $11,99!

[Digital Devil]

http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/287

WTF?

[Jak]

http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/287

WTF?

The "fuck" is Wizards putting a cool idea together to make money.

[MMogg]

90% of MWS players can't play with this: "AGE 13+"

[Eatatjoes]

Imagine how much garbage you can get in these

[Skeggi]

Finally something fun to draft with :cool:

[Aggro_zombies]

The "fuck" is Wizards putting a cool idea together to make money.
It would be cool...except it's fucking Shards of Alara block.

That right there makes it all sorts of fail.

[Ectoplasm]

It would be cool...except it's fucking Shards of Alara block.

That right there makes it all sorts of fail.

The real question is: will the distribution be the old 10 commons, 3 uncommons, 1 rare/mythic and 1 land way? Because that would be pretty cool :)

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Yeah, I'd like to the know the dustribution as well. Not only by rarity, but by set. If this is from the whole block, will it be comprised randomly of the three sets, or hvae a fix 50/25/25%?

And at $11.99 a pack, It'd be hard for me to find even three others to draft this with me. It'd be pretty fun, but a >$30 draft? It'd better be from a $$ set.

Also, why couldn't they have done this with the current set, making it T2 for longer? I wonder if Wizards just had a surplus of Alara block foils laying around...

[sunshine]

...Wizards just had a surplus of Alara block foils laying around...

[troopatroop]

This is sinking VERY low.

[TorpidNinja]

This is sinking VERY low.

Why do you feel this way? Is it that you'd rather they printed and packed more regular product with the normal foil distribution? Is it the price alone?

What about this product irritates people in this thread?

[Nightmare]

What about this product irritates people in this thread?
Obviously, it's because it's a product by Wizards of the Coast.

or alternatively,

Welcome to the internet.

[troopatroop]

What they said up there, they probably have sheets of foil alara that they didn't get to cut and insert into packs. This is just a way of getting rid of those extras, while grossly overcharging people for a pack. 12 Dollars?, for something they simply want to unload? Seems greedy to me, and just because Zendikar is happening doesnt give them free reign to do anything.

[Nightmare]

What they said up there, they probably have sheets of foil alara that they didn't get to cut and insert into packs. This is just a way of getting rid of those extras, while grossly overcharging people for a pack. 12 Dollars?, for something they simply want to unload? Seems greedy to me, and just because Zendikar is happening doesnt give them free reign to do anything.

Why is it that people are so against the idea of Wizards making a profit off of this game? At some point, you've gotta realize that if they don't make money somehow, the company goes under and the game ends. Sure, it's probably overpriced for a pack. On the other hand, I'd easily throw down 30 bucks on an 8-man with all foil packs. I loved drafting Alara block, and even with a mix of the sets, I'd still do it in a second, for the novelty alone, if nothing else. If that doesn't interest you, well, no one is saying you need to pick these up. So really, even if it is just overstock, what does it hurt?

[Phantom]

Good lord. Is there anything we you people won't bitch about? Feel free to not buy them, and get on with your life. It's not like they packed these things with staples and are forcing you to get them.

[TorpidNinja]

What they said up there, they probably have sheets of foil alara that they didn't get to cut and insert into packs. This is just a way of getting rid of those extras, while grossly overcharging people for a pack. 12 Dollars?, for something they simply want to unload? Seems greedy to me, and just because Zendikar is happening doesnt give them free reign to do anything.

Not to play the Kevin Smith perspective, but this product doesn't look like it was made for "us." That is to say, if we were to map out the secondary-market prices for foils and make some assumptions about distribution, I'm betting these prices are targeting retailers who will bust the packs and sell the singles, not players looking for a really expensive round of drafting.

Edit - Now, how about a hypothetical: What if Wizards was to announce that, in these foil-only packs, there was an increased chance of finding a "priceless treasure?" What would be the reaction then (I mean, of course people would bitch but would the majority be in favor or against that tactic/pricing?)

[Nihil Credo]

I 110% support Wizards earning extra cash by raising the price for shiny cards instead of raising the price for good cards.

[Nightmare]

I 110% support Wizards earning extra cash by selling more expensive shinier cards instead of selling more expensive better cards.

Good. We agree on this, at least.

And let's be honest - Lotus Cobra isn't the driving force behind pack frenzy for Zendikar anymore.

[Phantom]

I 110% support Wizards earning extra cash by raising the price for shiny cards instead of raising the price for good cards.

It's like taxing the super rich to provide us schlubs with healthcare!

[DownSyndromeKarl]

On the other hand, I'd easily throw down 30 bucks on an 8-man with all foil packs. I loved drafting Alara block, and even with a mix of the sets, I'd still do it in a second, for the novelty alone, if nothing else.

We're both about an hour from Jupiter, we should see if Eli could set something like this up. My local shop has about 10-15 regular players, and of those, only half like to draft, and they dont always have the money. So if I want stiff competition, I need to make the drive. And for this, I'd make arrangements.

[Jak]

It would be cool...except it's fucking Shards of Alara block.

That right there makes it all sorts of fail.

Meh, if people will buy them, good for Wizards. I know most of us won't but some new kids to the game will love to have this.

[rsaunder]

We're both about an hour from Jupiter, we should see if Eli could set something like this up. My local shop has about 10-15 regular players, and of those, only half like to draft, and they dont always have the money. So if I want stiff competition, I need to make the drive. And for this, I'd make arrangements.

I'd play magical cards with you guys.

[Ectoplasm]

I'd love to rip open a couple of those packs.
They're shiny.

Too bad you'll never get your money out of those packs since you need to get really lucky and rip something like an elspeth, a maelstrom pulse or a noble hierarch for it to be worth it but it would still be a nice change of pace to open a pack with just foils :)

[from Cairo]

Would like the idea more if it was Zendikar rather than Shards of Alara, but whatev works for Wizards, if it is just them packaging surplus this seems like a good way to unload it.

[quicksilver]

These seems very over priced to me. Arn't foils on average worth less than double the non-foil, usually less than 1.5x as much. But the price on this is $12? Seems like it would be much more cost effective to somply buy foil singles.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

yeah, but these are random, so you could presumably snag a foil Elspeth or Nicol Bolas or even something like Path to Exile would make these worth it.

On an aside: foil values vary greatly depending on the person, there are people out there who value foils at around $1 for common/uncommon, and ~$3 for rares, just because they're shiny. It all comes down to the consumer. Personally, $12 for 15 foils is worth it to me, because I know some of the people I trade with, will do a couple common foils for a decent rare(non-foil).

[rockout]

Why don't they just print foil packs of the newest set? I'd definitely pour 11.99 into a foil pack of zendikar at the chance of ripping a foil fetch.

[Skeggi]

I guess they might print foil packs of the ZEN block as soon as the new block makes an entrance. Plus you can't make a foil pack of a block if the block isn't there yet. I guess they first want to sell their normal ZEN stuff.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

what worries me about them doing this with Zen, is that the Alara packs don't come out until about month before WorldWake(thats the next set, right?)

[majikal]

what worries me about them doing this with Zen, is that the Alara packs don't come out until about month before WorldWake(thats the next set, right?)
Why does that worry you? Nobody's forcing you to buy the all-foil pack.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

it worries me that the Zen ones wont come out for a year...i think these would do a lot better if they were released when the set(s) were in their prime. Who said anything about me being forced to buy anything? I just think people(other than myself) would be more apt to buy them if the cards were newer.

[deviant]

I agree with the guy with down syndrome.
And I even go further than that, If this was with ZEN, now, I'd be THRILLED!

Like, come on people! Think about it: all foil draft! Winner takes it all! What an amazing pile of FOILS! Foil fetchlands too! OMG!!

Then take it one step further: they should have done the packs in japanese!!!! How amazing would THAT be?

*tilt*

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

These seems very over priced to me. Arn't foils on average worth less than double the non-foil, usually less than 1.5x as much. But the price on this is $12? Seems like it would be much more cost effective to somply buy foil singles.

Yeah, but most foils are commons. Presumably it scales sharply upwards with rarity, although I'm too lazy to check. So it's not a terrible deal if you're getting three foil uncommons and a foil rare or mythic rare.

[boris13]

So if a company tries to make some money that's wrong? If you guys think they are overpriced then common sense would tell us not to buy them oh yeah that is a great idea I must be a genius. If the company was smart they would give out everything for free, oh yes maybe every company should do this, maybe the rich should give me all the money they worked hard for and oh yeah maybe I should move to communist country. Yeah free stuff for me and I don't need to work for it.

[Media314r8]

More foil relics and pridemages for me to trade off casual players - the ones who actually BUY these things. Wizards doesn't care what the source thinks, we are not their market for this. Voice your opinions to Lapille for his next FTV, rather than bitching about a little money grab that will put more foil staple commons on the market for us legacy players to trade for.

[majikal]

it worries me that the Zen ones wont come out for a year...i think these would do a lot better if they were released when the set(s) were in their prime. Who said anything about me being forced to buy anything? I just think people(other than myself) would be more apt to buy them if the cards were newer.
If they release them at the same time, it would hurt the sales of the regular set. I personally think it's pretty smart of them to release the foil packs later. That way they have allowed the market to drive sales of boosters as far as possible so that people can get the singles they want when they need them the most, and then once things cool off a bit they can buy the foil packs and try to pimp their collection a bit more. It keeps the whole foil pack thing from tanking the overall value of the set from the get-go.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

so you'd buy boxes of these all-foil packs at over $400 instead of boxes of regular ones at $100?

It wouldn't hurt sales of regular packs, it'd help sales of foil packs if they were released at the same time.

[Offler]

One friend of mine is playing EDH/HL deck and he wants it in full foil. Once i used Annex to steal his foil Vivid (meadow?). Few minutes later he whinned if i can exchange it for another nonfoil vivid. When i asked why he said that its too shiny and it makes him blind :D

I guess that each foil booster have to contain sunglasses. :D

I just wish that somebody playing with such deck outside will be robbed by clever magpie :D

At all i dont care if the cards are foil or not (except the blinding effect :) ).

[TorpidNinja]

More foil relics and pridemages for me to trade off casual players - the ones who actually BUY these things. Wizards doesn't care what the source thinks, we are not their market for this. Voice your opinions to Lapille for his next FTV, rather than bitching about a little money grab that will put more foil staple commons on the market for us legacy players to trade for.

This.

[eq.firemind]

So if people will buy a descent amount of theese boosters, there will be more foils avalable in the trade pools wich most likely means a little cheaper foil singles.
I don't how can this be not good...

[Ectoplasm]

Yeah, but most foils are commons. Presumably it scales sharply upwards with rarity, although I'm too lazy to check. So it's not a terrible deal if you're getting three foil uncommons and a foil rare or mythic rare.

That's not true, a foil elspeth goes for something like twice the usual price (40€ compared to 17.50/20) while a foil spell snare/standstill/daze goes for around 15-20

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I kinda like this whole stuff Wizards is making lately!

Look at all these shiny things we got so far:

Planechase
Plaenswalker Duell decks
Fatpacks
Foilboosters
Priceless Tresures
Mythic Rares

Sure it is all about ca$h and if you dont like it, you could just as normal buy singelton cards @ ebay and play some tier1 decks!

[Ectoplasm]

I kinda like this whole stuff Wizards is making lately!

Look at all these shiny things we got so far:

Planechase
Plaenswalker Duell decks
Fatpacks
Foilboosters
Priceless Tresures
Mythic Rares

Sure it is all about ca$h and if you dont like it, you could just as normal buy singelton cards @ ebay and play some tier1 decks!

I agree :D It's not like they're releasing new cards or anything, it's just some cool and fun collectibles that you can skip if you don't like them because they won't make you a worse player if you don't get them and foils aren't going to improve your deck.

[pw709]

I kinda like this whole stuff Wizards is making lately!

Look at all these shiny things we got so far:

Planechase
Plaenswalker Duell decks
Fatpacks
Foilboosters
Priceless Tresures
Mythic Rares

Sure it is all about ca$h and if you dont like it, you could just as normal buy singelton cards @ ebay and play some tier1 decks!

Exactly, it's just that they're doing soooo much extra stuff these days. I think a lot of this stuff would be cool if spread out more, but they're blowing these things off pretty fast here, right in a row.

They surely can't keep this pace up from now on, and if they do, well it just won't be special anymore.


So if people will buy a descent amount of theese boosters, there will be more foils avalable in the trade pools wich most likely means a little cheaper foil singles.
I don't how can this be not good...

This may just be me, but I love foils specifically because they are rare, not because they shine. If they just made every card foil, there would be any point to the collectible aspect of them.