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DragoFireheart
09-30-2009, 02:11 PM
Tsabo's Web
2
Artifact

When Tsabo's Web comes into play, draw a card.

Each land with an activated ability that isn't a mana ability doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.


This seems like a really good card for fighting decks that like to rely on man-lands as their win cons. What's even better is that it replaces itself.

Anyone have any comments on it?
DownSyndromeKarl
09-30-2009, 02:15 PM
it's interesting. As a player of 43 Land, I don't fear this card. I use a lot of control, such as Tabernacle and Glacial Chasm. And with the glacial chasm, I can sac the tapped man-lands, and bring them back with Loam. I think this might be good as SB vs Landstill, but I don't play with or against it much to know.
quicksilver
09-30-2009, 02:16 PM
Very few decks will be affected by this. Also decks that rely on mandlands almost always have sweepers that will get rid of this. Also they can still use their manalands to block in the meantime.
Nidd
09-30-2009, 02:16 PM
Back to Basics for decks with Duals, or am I missing something? And it cantrips.
If 43lands.dec would be a DTW or even a DTB, this would find some sideboardspace, I'm sure. But at the moment, it's not that useful.
Otter
09-30-2009, 03:00 PM
It cantrips while shutting down both Ports and manlands, which is nice. However, it's nowhere near as versatile as something like Pithing Needle, which can shut up manlands too. The other problem is that it doesn't actually stop them from hitting you once per land. If 43lands got into trouble they could start wasting their tapped manlands and then loambonding them back into play untapped to bash you again. For such a narrow card, still giving them outs seems pretty depressing.
tivadar
09-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Back to Basics for decks with Duals, or am I missing something? And it cantrips.
If 43lands.dec would be a DTW or even a DTB, this would find some sideboardspace, I'm sure. But at the moment, it's not that useful.

No, not so much. Duals don't have activated abilities that don't produce mana. They are unaffected by this card. The only thing it really hits are manlands, wastelands, ports, maze of ith, and a few others.
quicksilver
09-30-2009, 03:04 PM
No, not so much. Duals don't have activated abilities that don't produce mana. They are unaffected by this card. The only thing it really hits are manlands, wastelands, ports, maze of ith, and a few others.

It's not very good at stopping wasteland.
tivadar
09-30-2009, 03:07 PM
It's not very good at stopping wasteland.

True, I meant if they tap wasteland for mana, it stays tapped. But yeah, it's mediocre at best against wasteland.
Nidd
09-30-2009, 03:12 PM
No, not so much. Duals don't have activated abilities that don't produce mana. They are unaffected by this card. The only thing it really hits are manlands, wastelands, ports, maze of ith, and a few others.
Exactly what I said. It doesn't affect decks which play Duals.
DownSyndromeKarl
09-30-2009, 04:47 PM
True, I meant if they tap wasteland for mana, it stays tapped. But yeah, it's mediocre at best against wasteland.

Wastelands produce mana?

j/k, but i dont think I've ever seen a wasteland used that way...
beastman
09-30-2009, 04:52 PM
I can't tell if the OP is trolling or actually thinks this is a playable card....B2B, blood moon, and PoP seem alot better.
tivadar
09-30-2009, 05:10 PM
Wastelands produce mana?

j/k, but i dont think I've ever seen a wasteland used that way...

Goblins uses it for mana all the time. Though admittedly, this probably isn't a card to bring in against goblins.
iamajellydonut
09-30-2009, 05:18 PM
Goblins uses it for mana all the time. Though admittedly, this probably isn't a card to bring in against goblins.

Faries does, too.

2cc mana denial? Fuck yes. Unfortunately there is a noticeable lack of targets.
Nihil Credo
09-30-2009, 05:23 PM
I think it actually saw play as an anti-Landstill tool around 2005 or so.

Today the ubiquity of Engineered Explosives and Elspeth would make it almost obsolete, and even if it weren't, most decks would rather pack anti-Landstill hate that doubles as either anti-combo (discard, Mage, Teeg) or generic anti-blue (Choke, B2B, Shusher, REB, etc.).
from Cairo
09-30-2009, 05:40 PM
Pithing Needle is strictly better.
DragoFireheart
09-30-2009, 06:25 PM
I can't tell if the OP is trolling or actually thinks this is a playable card....B2B, blood moon, and PoP seem alot better.


What makes you think I was trolling?

I was digging around old cards and found this. Sure, it's worse than B2B and Blood Moon, but it also cantrips. I just thought it might be an interesting card.
MULocke
09-30-2009, 06:46 PM
What makes you think I was trolling?

I was digging around old cards and found this. Sure, it's worse than B2B and Blood Moon, but it also cantrips. I just thought it might be an interesting card.

The reason I see that makes it different has been said already. It only hits some nonbasics, not all. Most people consider this a drawback as blood moon, etc seem better. The interesting part of tsabo's web is that you can play nonbasics yourself and still use it well, say in a deck like tempo thresh or team america. Testing > theory, but I'd say that it isn't good enough because of engineered explosives being everywhere. Could be interesting, though.
Valtrix
09-30-2009, 10:09 PM
Seems like a great EDH card though.
Barook
10-01-2009, 12:00 AM
The interaction with Root Maze is kinda nice (take that, fetchlands!), but still a rather meh card combo if you can have Top + CB as a lockdown combo for the same CMC.

Edit: Maybe some kind of green Stompy deck with City/Tomb, ESG and Mox? Still very clunky, but powered out early, it could block their fetchlands, manlands, Wastelands and Ports.
eq.firemind
10-01-2009, 03:26 AM
I know a guy who runs 1 Web in sideboard in BG Coffers control (he runs 3 Beseech the Queen to find singletons). He sides it in against Landstill and says it works and SBspace-wise.
Skeggi
10-01-2009, 04:18 AM
I've been trying to make Faerie Stompy with Esperzoa bouncing this card as a draw engine. Doesn't work.
DragoFireheart
10-01-2009, 04:44 PM
I've been trying to make Faerie Stompy with Esperzoa bouncing this card as a draw engine. Doesn't work.

Why not?
Skeggi
10-01-2009, 05:04 PM
Because you need them both, so you need 4 of each in your deck. You cannot support 2 Esperzoa's at once. Not with ease anyway. And you certainly don't want a second Tsabo's Web when you already have one... and no Esperzoa. It slows down, doesn't speed you up. It's not stompy anymore. 2 mana a turn also often comes down to 2 life a turn. Ouch.