New format idea?

[Pastorofmuppets]

I kind of thought of a new casual format that I'd like to try out. It's called Favoritism Magic. Essentially, it's Legacy, but 1/3 or more of your deck has to be one card that's not a Basic Land. Some strong examples are things like

Force Spike
Dark Ritual
Angel's Grace
Silence/Orim's Chant
Lightning Bolt
Spark Elemental/Hellspark Elemental
Mishra's Factory

Similar to EDH, your deck can only be the colors of the chosen card. Is anyone interested? or will this thread be locked by Nightmare before this time tomorrow?

[quicksilver]

All goyf deck here I come!

[Pastorofmuppets]

All goyf deck here I come!

I might try all Sinew Sliver. Or Honor of the Pure.
Also, a quick Banlist off the top of my head

Can't be in decks at all:
Anything not legal in Legacy

Can't be the primary card:
Meddling Mage
Declaration of Naught
Runed Halo
Erratic Explosion (just on estimation, could be busted with 20 of them, ramp, and 4 Draco/Darksteel Colossus)

Anything I'm missing?

[quicksilver]

Cabal therapy seems nuts. And extirpate might actually be good when you can very often hit at least one more of that card from their hand.

[Nightmare]

Along with the aforementioned,

Pithing Needle
Null Chamber
Voidstone Gargoyle
Cranial Extraction
Thought Hemorrhage


All seem out of the spirit of this format.

I've also broken it already (what up, Desperate Research?)

[Pastorofmuppets]

Along with the aforementioned,

Pithing Needle
Null Chamber
Voidstone Gargoyle
Cranial Extraction
Thought Hemorrhage


All seem out of the spirit of this format.

I've also broken it already (what up, Desperate Research?)

tch. Here's a list for you, Nightmare

Dark Ritual Ratz

11 Swamp

20 Ravenous Rats

2 Chrome Mox
4 Desperate Research
3 Thrumming Stone
20 Dark Ritual

EDIT: Don't forget Lobotomy and Counterbore.
EDIT Part Deux: I'm banning Illusionary Mask, too. Because Wizards should do it so they don't need another whole page in the rulebook on Morph rules.

[Nightmare]

tch. Here's a list for you, Nightmare

Dark Ritual Ratz

11 Swamp

20 Ravenous Rats

2 Chrome Mox
4 Desperate Research
3 Thrumming Stone
20 Dark Ritual

EDIT: Don't forget Lobotomy and Counterbore.
EDIT Part Deux: I'm banning Illusionary Mask, too. Because Wizards should do it so they don't need another whole page in the rulebook on Morph rules.
Illusionary Mask already is banned. Isn't this Legacy's list?

Also, can you run any number of any cards, or only of one card?

[Wrath_Of_Houlding]

Any format where Ripple Rats can be king is fine by me.

Also, won't 4x Thrumming stone be a must have in every deck?

[Pastorofmuppets]

Illusionary Mask already is banned. Isn't this Legacy's list?

Also, can you run any number of any cards, or only of one card?

only one card. The only reason that my post has two cards in the 20's is because of the clause on rats

Also, I didn't know that Mask was banned. Now I feel really stupid.

[Melman]

Im pretty sure you mean Relentless Rats then.

[quicksilver]

only one card. The only reason that my post has two cards in the 20's is because of the clause on rats

Also, I didn't know that Mask was banned. Now I feel really stupid.

It's easy to remember if a card is banned in Legacy. Just ask yourself "Is this card absolutely terrible and will never be played in Legacy?" If the answer is yes it's probably banned.

[Pastorofmuppets]

How about this?

20 Forest

20 Virulent Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
4 Gemhide Sliver
4 Quick Sliver
1 Chameleon Colossus

4 AEther Vial
3 Thrumming Stone

Also, since this is a 60-card format, that leaves openings for Sideboards. The thing I thought was cool is that a lot of the good cards to use are either common or uncommon.

[Wrath_Of_Houlding]

It's easy to remember if a card is banned in Legacy. Just ask yourself "Is this card absolutely terrible and will never be played in Legacy?" If the answer is yes it's probably banned.

And that's why Mons Goblin Raiders will NEVER be unbanned.

[quicksilver]

Ok the most obvious deck is something like this this:

40 Surging flame
4 Mountain
4 Lotus Petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rite of Flame
4 Chrome Mox

Pretty much a first turn win every single game. And even if they can force it, you can still pretty much just go off again every turn.

edit: oh wait, force can't even stop this combo.

[Wrath_Of_Houlding]

Ok the most obvious deck is something like this this:

40 Surging flame
4 Mountain
4 Lotus Petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rite of Flame
4 Chrome Mox

Pretty much a first turn win every single game. And even if they can force it, you can still pretty much just go off again every turn.

edit: oh wait, force can't even stop this combo.

In summation, ripple breaks this format in half

[Pastorofmuppets]

Ok the most obvious deck is something like this this:

40 Surging flame
4 Mountain
4 Lotus Petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rite of Flame
4 Chrome Mox

Pretty much a first turn win every single game. And even if they can force it, you can still pretty much just go off again every turn.

edit: oh wait, force can't even stop this combo.

so do we want to ban everything with Ripple? Or just Flame and maybe the Blue one?

[rufus]

Not very creative, but:

4x Chrome Mox
4x Lotus Petal
4x Simian Spirit Guide
2x Elvish Spirit Guide
14x Mountain
32x Surging Flame

Oops, 5 minutes too late.

You've also got to ban all of the good fast mana cards like Lotus Petal or Dark Ritual.

[quicksilver]

You know I think that deck would probably be the most broken deck ever created. Even my shandalar deck with 4 of each power and 4 contract from belows that had like a 90% first turn win would still probably be worse than that deck. Also this can win before you even get a turn. If your opponent wins the roll, just pitch two SSG and kill him during his upkeep.

edit: pretty sure all the ripple cards would need to be banned. Probably even the black one. Green and white would probably lead to pretty consistent turn two kills. Red is very consistent turn 1 kill. Blue can bounce any permanent, so once they get rolling you play one and only ripple until every one of their permanents is bounced. Essentially you can reset them at will. Black you can make them discard their hand, and then play a few beaters.

[Pastorofmuppets]

You know I think that deck would probably be the most broken deck ever created. Even my shandalar deck with 4 of each power and 4 contract from belows that had like a 90% first turn win would still probably be worse than that deck. Also this can win before you even get a turn. If your opponent wins the roll, just pitch two SSG and kill him during his upkeep.

So Ripple is out, except Thrumming Stone. Or maybe Thrumming Stone, too. We'll have to see. Anyone want to test on MWS?

[Goblin Snowman]

You know I think that deck would probably be the most broken deck ever created. Even my shandalar deck with 4 of each power and 4 contract from belows that had like a 90% first turn win would still probably be worse than that deck. Also this can win before you even get a turn. If your opponent wins the roll, just pitch two SSG and kill him during his upkeep.

The format quickly dissolves into Mindbreak Trap.dec vs. Ripple.dec?

[Pastorofmuppets]

The format quickly dissolves into Mindbreak Trap.dec vs. Ripple.dec?

Hence why it's still in the developmental stages. I completely forgot about Ripple when I first posted.

[quicksilver]

Thrumming stone too. I think every single ripple card would have to be banned.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Thrumming stone too. I think every single ripple card would have to be banned.

Alrighty then, anything else?
Priest of Titania, Wellwisher, Ondu Cleric could all potentially be painful, though not as fuck-busted as Ripple.
EDIT: Who's up for emergency banning Sanity Grinding as the primary?
EDIT again: What about the Grandeur Legends from Future Sight, specifically Korlash? Broken or just good?

[Otter]

Manamorphose.dec is probably very breakable somehow, too lazy to figure out an exact decklist, but it probably involves Grapeshot or Tendrils.

That aside, I'm not sure I like the concept of the format. Highlander formats tend to be fun as they have a ton of diversity and things can play out very differently each game. This is almost like anti-highlander and I expect that the matches would get very stale, very quickly.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Manamorphose.dec is probably very breakable somehow, too lazy to figure out an exact decklist, but it probably involves Grapeshot or Tendrils.

It would have to be Grapeshot.
And I thought that over. Doesn't work too well as far as I can see, but let's keep a watch on it.

[Infinitium]

Accumulated Knowledge.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Accumulated Knowledge.

Find something to do with it. Can't use Coatl...

[Pastorofmuppets]

Sound the Call could get out of hand pretty quickly, no?

[Pastorofmuppets]

I see like 8 people viewing this thread, but no additions really. So, Kindle effects: broken or not?

[wolfstorm]

Go Myr Servitor Go!!! (would be fun)

[heroicraptor]

Kindle's not anywhere nearly as busted as Ripple.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Go Myr Servitor Go!!! (would be fun)

if you could do me a favor, set up a Myr Servitor deck and meet me on MWS. I want to see how good it is. You wouldn't have any color availability, though

[Jeff Kruchkow]

20 dark rit with AdN seems busted

[Pastorofmuppets]

20 dark rit with AdN seems busted

I was looking at ANKH in this format just now, actually. 20 Pact of the Titan? Thank youuu.

[wolfstorm]

if you could do me a favor, set up a Myr Servitor deck and meet me on MWS. I want to see how good it is. You wouldn't have any color availability, though

I would love to but I use a mac and MWS doesn't work on it :( Arcbound Crusher and Genesis chamber would be house's in the deck though.

[santeria]

Great! Magic is really in need of yet another homemade format. 20 copies of force spike ? Sounds amazing! heres my contribution. 20 ghostly prisons. I cant wait to play one game that lasts all night. 20 ghostly prisons you say ? 20 martyr of sands I say.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Great! Magic is really in need of yet another homemade format. 20 copies of force spike ? Sounds amazing! heres my contribution. 20 ghostly prisons. I cant wait to play one game that lasts all night. 20 ghostly prisons you say ? 20 martyr of sands I say.

My good sir, sarcasm is not needed at the moment. Please go bother the people over at Tcgplayer. They don't know the difference

[Brushwagg]

Um lets see here.

20x Stomping Slabs
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
4x Rite of Flame
4x SSG
4x Fireblast
4x Chrome Mox
4x Lotus Petal
12x Mountain

[Phoenix Ignition]

20 Glimpse the Unthinkable
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
4 Thoughtseize
3 Spell Snare
4 Propaganda
4 Brainstorm
18x land

[Pastorofmuppets]

20 Glimpse the Unthinkable
4 Force of Will
3 Counterspell
4 Thoughtseize
3 Spell Snare
4 Propaganda
4 Brainstorm
18x land

This is actually about the power level I had considered in the format.

And Stomping Slabs goes to the main card banlist.

[Brushwagg]

And Stomping Slabs goes to the main card banlist.

Bummer.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I am interested in this format. As you know, it needs work, but it's interesting none the less.

[PunkRocker1134]

I was thinking some sort of U/G Cloud of Faerie storm list. I remember over on the Wizards magic forums, someone tried something that mirrored EDH more than Legacy. You should be able to find it in the EDH forums if that helps.

[Hanni]

Wouldn't Stomping Slabs only do 7 damage one time, thus meaning you have to cast 3 to win? That's what the card looks like it says...

Interesting format though. Get rid of all the broken stuff and it would probably be fun.

Burn

Lands (16)
16 Mountain

Creatures (4)
4 Goblin Guide

Spells (40)
20 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Pyromancer Ascension

[heroicraptor]

Stomping Slabs doesn't care how many other Slabs you revealed, only that you revealed at least one.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Got a better one.

20 Spellstutter Sprite
4 Scion of Oona
4 Aether Vial
4 Force of Will
3 Standstill
2 Ninja of the Deep hours
4 Brainstorm

4 Mutavault
4 Wasteland
6 Fetch
4 Island

[4eak]

Been having fun building decks. Please formalize a ban/restricted list.

The format is exceedingly fast, and Black is particularly strong in this format. Whether you are playing Korlash.dec or DarkRit-Storm.dec, or any other black deck, several black cards become auto-include. For now, this is Extirpate.format. Once you ban the obvious culprit the format opens up a bit.

We've all agreed to this, right?

Banned:
Extirpate
Thought Hemorrhage
Cranial Extraction
Null Chamber
Voidstone Gargoyle
Meddling Mage

Restricted as 4x:
Surging Flame (pretty obvious Turn 0-1 kill here)




peace,
4eak

[Dark_Shakuras]

Ok the most obvious deck is something like this this:

40 Surging flame
4 Mountain
4 Lotus Petal
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rite of Flame
4 Chrome Mox

Pretty much a first turn win every single game. And even if they can force it, you can still pretty much just go off again every turn.

edit: oh wait, force can't even stop this combo.

Just found the freeform MTGO format. Totally building:

40 Surging Flame
20 SSG

[Bigface]

I think I found out another set of cards to ban.

// Lands
16 [US] Island (4)
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory

// Creatures
2 [CHK] Meloku the Clouded Mirror
2 [CHK] Keiga, the Tide Star

// Spells
20 [OD] Cephalid Shrine
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [BD] Brainstorm
4 [MR] Chrome Mox

Shrines seem strong in this format. Expecially the red, blue, and black one. Expecially if you're playing 20 instants/sorceries.

[Pastorofmuppets]

I think I found out another set of cards to ban.

// Lands
16 [US] Island (4)
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory

// Creatures
2 [CHK] Meloku the Clouded Mirror
2 [CHK] Keiga, the Tide Star

// Spells
20 [OD] Cephalid Shrine
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [LRW] Ponder
4 [BD] Brainstorm
4 [MR] Chrome Mox

Shrines seem strong in this format. Expecially the red, blue, and black one. Expecially if you're playing 20 instants/sorceries.

Hmm. This banlist is gonna be huge.
But the shrines are probably good. We could change it to Highlander rules other than the 20 cards. Then the shrines wouldn't so much be broken as they are format-defining, forcing players to run alternate win conditions.

[Nihil Credo]

My opinion is that this format makes for a very fun discussion thread and an absolutely abysmal play experience.

[Pastorofmuppets]

You're probably right, Nihil.

[Brushwagg]

Stomping Slabs doesn't care how many other Slabs you revealed, only that you revealed at least one.

I know that. I think the problem is that with 20 in the deck you will hit at least 1 everytime you cast it.


My opinion is that this format makes for a very fun discussion thread and an absolutely abysmal play experience.


Oh your right there.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Anyone have any new decklists for this we can discuss?

[Bigface]

What if we make this a Pauper variant? This way, there won't be an abnormous Banned list, and it could be funnier as a "fun" format too.

[Pastorofmuppets]

What if we make this a Pauper variant? This way, there won't be an abnormous Banned list, and it could be funnier as a "fun" format too.

so it would be Dark Ritual.dec vs Cabal Ritual.dec vs Manamophose.dec? Uncommons are generally the most powerful cards to set as your primary card, I think making it a pauper variant wouldn't be that good. Making it a Highlander variant on the other hand...

[undone]

Like, pyromancers ascension, surging flames, AK, Kindle et all. Any card that cares about copies of cards would be far too good as they were costed assuming you could only hit 4 in a deck. The obviously broken list is 40 Surging flame 20 SSG. But other not so obvious lists are things like Lotus pedal + AK + brainfreeze, or whatever. Immagian the 4 food chain X Ringleader/Elfleader/Merfolk leader deck uhg.

This format is an exersize in breaking magic, let it be. All the ripple cards would need to be banned right off the bad (twist you, kill you target creature gets + 40/+40 put 20 2/1 first strikers in play bounce all permenants) than you would need to ban the AK/kindle cycles, next the shrine cycles and so on, It would lead to a banned list bigger than vintage by far.

[Maveric78f]

4 petals
4 SSG
4 ESG
4 Rite of Flamme
2 mountains
3 burning wish
2 grapeshot
37 Manamorphosis

It looks fine like this. But you definitely don't want to face stifle.dec or spell snare.dec.

About stifle.dec
20 Stifle
4 Noughts
4 Trinket
1 EE (chalice)
1 Top
4 FoW
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
8 fetches
10 islands