Obligatory shitty card creation thread

[Vicar in a tutu]

True-Name Nemesis fixed: The card should have been printed as is, but with the following text added (courtesy of Silvergill Adept): "As an additional cost to play True-Name Nemesis, reveal a Merfolk card from your hand or pay :3:". Maybe the number should be 2, whatever.

[apple713]

True-Name Nemesis fixed: The card should have been printed as is, but with the following text added (courtesy of Silvergill Adept): "As an additional cost to play True-Name Nemesis, reveal a Merfolk card from your hand or pay :3:"

With that he could probably cost uu and be fine

[Vicar in a tutu]

With that he could probably cost uu and be fine
Wow, Merfolk-decks would be very powerful if they consistantly dropped a turn 2 True-Name, I think his casting cost should still be 1UU.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Two flashy human wizards. The first one is a new Magus (inspired by Hall of Gemstone), the second is a rewrite of another card I posted here on this thread, but this time it's white and has different wording, along with flash and 1 reduced power.

Magus of the Gemstone :1::g::g:
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player chooses a color. Until end of turn, lands tapped for mana produce mana of the chosen color instead of any other color
2/1

Sisters of the Moongate :1::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
If a creature would enter the battlefield from its owner’s hand without being cast, exile it instead.
2/1

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Nice ones, I like the nostalgia (Gemstone dude) and usefulness (Sisters)!



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Uncommon Fetchable Dual
Land - basic type basic type

(Tap: Add one of the appropriate two colors.)

Uncommon dual etbs tapped
unless any player pays two life.

Uncommon dual cannot be tapped
for mana the turn it comes to play.
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Somethingify :1::w::g:
Instant

Destroy target creature or land.

"Because cmc3 instant LD is
definitely going to happen."
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Anythingify :1::w::r:
Instant

Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
It can't be regenerated.
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[Vicar in a tutu]

I raised my eyebrows a little when I saw the 3 CMC instant removal spell for creatures and lands. Pretty cool, but something about it seems more like Rakdos. Maybe it should be :1::b::r:? Oh, and while we're on the subject of a targeted landdestruction spell, here is my newest card:

Emerald Aurora :1::g:
Enchantment
When Emerald Aurora enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Your lands have Hexproof.

[TsumiBand]

Big Flaming Pringles Can :r::r:
Legendary Enchantment - Potato Shrine

Whenever a spell you control deals damage to an opponent, if you cast it from your hand, you may search your library for a card with the same name and exile it. Until end of turn, you may play that spell.

"Pew pew pew pew pew!!" -- Jaya Ballard, to herself, every day

[Mr Miagi]

Big Flaming Pringles Can :r::r:
Legendary Enchantment - Potato Shrine

Whenever a spell you control deals damage to an opponent, if you cast it from your hand, you may search your library for a card with the same name and exile it. Until end of turn, you may play that spell.

"Pew pew pew pew pew!!" -- Jaya Ballard, to herself, every day

Haha, epic!! :laugh:

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I raised my eyebrows a little when I saw the 3 CMC instant removal spell for creatures and lands. Pretty cool, but something about it seems more like Rakdos. Maybe it should be :1::b::r:?
nono, Selsnya. Green for LD, white for creature kill. Also, it's meant to finish the cycle of Mortify, Putrefy and Anythingify.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Big Flaming Pringles Can :r::r:
Legendary Enchantment - Potato Shrine

Whenever a spell you control deals damage to an opponent, if you cast it from your hand, you may search your library for a card with the same name and exile it. Until end of turn, you may play that spell.

"Pew pew pew pew pew!!" -- Jaya Ballard, to herself, every day
Very cool! Here is a new one:

Ripples of Death Phyrexian:b:
Enchantment
(Phyrexian can be paid with either :b: or 2 life.)
All creatures gain Echo :b: or 2 life (i.e. 1 black phyrexian mana)

[Bed Decks Palyer]

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Moated Tower
land - Plains

~ etb tapped unless a sphinx
creature card is in your
command zone.

Add W or U to your mana pool.
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Polluted Lagoon
land - Island

~ etb tapped unless a kraken
creature card is in your
command zone.

Add U or B to your mana pool.
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Graveyard of Dragons
land - Swamp

~ etb tapped unless a dragon
creature card is in your
command zone.

Add B or R to your mana pool.
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Mountains of Might
land - Mountain

~ etb tapped unless a titan
creature card is in your
command zone.

Add R or G to your mana pool.
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Last Fortress Standing
land - Forest

~ etb tapped unless a wurm
creature card is in your
command zone.

Add G or W to your mana pool.
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...speaking of which:
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Dairdlagargladar :1::w::g::g::g:
Legendary creature - Wurm Mystic

Shroud

Whenever Dairdlagargladar goes to a
command zone as a result of a sacrifice
spell or effect controlled by your opponent,
you may return it otb at eot.
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[Scott]

Erratic Zeal :r::g:
Enchantment

Each player has, "At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose one -- Target creature you control gets +2/-2 until end of turn; or creatures you control get +2/-2 until end of turn."

[HammafistRoob]

I fail to see how that would be playable in any contructed format honestly.

The Little Dunns[B]
Human Rogue

Whenever one or more black creatures you control attacks, each opponent discards a card at random.
2/2

[Zombiesquisher]

Goblin Chef 1R

Creature- Goblin

When Gobin Chef enters the battlefield search
your library for 5 goblin cards and put them on
top of your library in a random order.

Sac: Add 3 red mana to your mana pool, use
this only to cast creature spells.

2/1

[Vicar in a tutu]

Museion, Palace of Auras
Legendary Enchantment Land
T: Add :1: to your mana pool.
:1::w:,T: Put target enchantment card from your graveyard on top of your library.

Corrupt Relic :1::b:
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant artifact
The owner of the enchanted artifact must discard a card at random at the beginning of his or her upkeep.

[kirkusjones]

Sunken Grove
Land - Forest
T: add g to your mana pool
T: add u to your mana pool. Play this abiliity only if you control an island

Grassy Knoll
Land - Plains
T: add w to your mana pool
T: add g to your mana pool, activate only if you control a forest

There would be a full cycle of ten, with each land type being represented on one allied and one enemy pair.

[Nonex]

Ejhug, the Mediator :g::u:
Legendary Creature - Bird Mutant Advisor
Flying, trample
As Ejhug, the Mediator enters the battlefield, accord a number with an opponent. Ejhug, the Mediator enters the battlefield with an amount of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the accorded number, and that opponent draws cards equal to half that number, rounded up.
0/0

I very rarely dream of Magic. But when I do, the cards I dream of are surreal at best.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Ghostly Consultation :5::b::b:
Instant.
Delve.
Draw 3 cards and lose 3 life.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

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Awe :g::g:
Instant

Destroy target
non-attacking creature.

"Because magic of nature
should be able to deal
with its own objects."
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[TsumiBand]

Grumpleturf

Land - Forest Mountain

If this is tapped for mana, if you don't control a Forest or a Mountain, this produces :1: instead of any other type.

"No I'm not asking for directions. I know where we are. No okay, I have no idea where we are. Look, listen, this vacation was YOUR idea. I didn't want this. I wanted to go to Red Lobster. You said Venice. Now we're in Venice. Maybe YOU can tell ME where the goddamned hotel is." -- Richard Footpalm, to his new wife Belinda

...+9 others = cycle.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

You realize that the whole drawback loses every meaning once you forget to add the word "another" somewhere in between the "control" and "a Forest". :laugh:
However, it's nice. Similar to checklands, yet different. Nice.
Flavour text, however... :smile:

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Richard Footpalm :3::r::g:
Legendary Creature - Human Nomad Mystic

Threshold - complete landwalk
(As long as there are seven
or more cards in your graveyard,
this creature is unblockable as
long as the defending player
controls any land.)

Whenever Richard Footpalm attacks,
search your library for a fetchland and
put it otb.

Ilus.: Richard Kane Fergusson
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[Bed Decks Palyer]

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Horse Fed Rob Ken's Grass :wg::wg:
Enchantment

:wg:, Sacrifice a land: Put two 2/2 green
and white Horse tokens with horsemanship otb.
:wg:, Sacrifice a horse: Return target basic land
from your graveyard otb tapped.
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[Vicar in a tutu]

Mesmerizing Utopia
Land
T: Add :1: to your mana pool.
T: If a creature you control would be put into your library from the battlefield this turn, it remains on the battlefield instead.
Who would want to leave such a beautiful world?

[Sloshthedark]

Mesmerizing Utopia
Land
T: Add :1: to your mana pool.
T: If a creature you control would be put into your library from the battlefield this turn, it remains on the battlefield instead.
Who would want to leave such a beautiful world?

I'd like

Mesmerizing Utopia
Legendary Island

Phasing

T: Add U to your mana pool.
T, Put a creature you control on the top of your library: Mesmerizing Utopia phases out.

Would you want to leave such a beautiful world?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

http://i40.tinypic.com/fao491.jpg

Wrong wording!
Either it puts creature you own on top of your library, or it puts creature you control on top its owner's library!
/rulesnazism

[Vicar in a tutu]

I'd like

Mesmerizing Utopia
Legendary Island

Phasing

T: Add U to your mana pool.
T, Put a creature you control on the top of your library: Mesmerizing Utopia phases out.

Would you want to leave such a beautiful world?
Although this variant is cool as well, the whole point of my card was to hose Terminus. As a bonus, Commander players get to use it to protect their generals from being tucked into the libraries with spells like Spin Into Myth.

[Sloshthedark]

http://i40.tinypic.com/fao491.jpg

Wrong wording!
Either it puts creature you own on top of your library, or it puts creature you control on top its owner's library!
/rulesnazism

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/44/44c33efab85ad085d886863b5e63b3c8e8318d7be046d79a29f5260b0480cf74.jpg

you're right



Although this variant is cool as well, the whole point of my card was to hose Terminus. As a bonus, Commander players get to use it to protect their generals from being tucked into the libraries with spells like Spin Into Myth.

Oh I did not realize the Terminus part, maybe because I don't play creatures much... I really dislike it then, narrow "hate" cards and cards hosing specific card are very wrong in terms of design approach in my eyes and hurts the game a lot...

I did not want to correct or improve your design just inspired me into what I find interesting, which are intricate cards with unusual functionality

[trollking21]

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Horse Fed Rob Ken's Grass :wg::wg:
Enchantment

:wg:, Sacrifice a land: Put two 2/2 green
and white Horse tokens with horsemanship otb.
:wg:, Sacrifice a horse: Return target basic land
from your graveyard otb tapped.
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Perhaps I'm overestimating it but this card seems bonkers. Having the ability to end step put 12 unblockable power on the battlefield for 3 mana seems nuts, while also being able to grind games out with 2 mana 2/2's.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Perhaps I'm overestimating it but this card seems bonkers. Having the ability to end step put 12 unblockable power on the battlefield for 3 mana seems nuts, while also being able to grind games out with 2 mana 2/2's.

Yeah! :laugh:
But then again we got those 22 goblins on turn2 and this does very little the turn you play it. :smile:
End it makes you eat lands to have those 2/2 dudes.
Etc.

I know it's a silly card, but I was in a mood for making a silly things.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Oh I did not realize the Terminus part, maybe because I don't play creatures much... I really dislike it then, narrow "hate" cards and cards hosing specific card are very wrong in terms of design approach in my eyes and hurts the game a lot...

I did not want to correct or improve your design just inspired me into what I find interesting, which are intricate cards with unusual functionality
If the card said "your creatures gain immunity to Terminus", then I would agree with you. But Mesmerizing Utopia is no more a narrow "hate" card than Homeward Path is against spells and effects that steal permanents. Utopia works against all effects that tuck your creatures, so it's useful in Commander / EDH, but in addition it also has applications in legacy. You can also use it in combinations with other cards. Cast Hallowed Burial and use Mesmerizing Utopia, so that all enemy creatures are tucked into their owner's library, but your creatures stay on the battlefield. The card has a lot of functionality beyond simply "hose Terminus".

[Sloshthedark]

If the card said "your creatures gain immunity to Terminus", then I would agree with you. But Mesmerizing Utopia is no more a narrow "hate" card than Homeward Path is against spells and effects that steal permanents. Utopia works against all effects that tuck your creatures, so it's useful in Commander / EDH, but in addition it also has applications in legacy. You can also use it in combinations with other cards. Cast Hallowed Burial and use Mesmerizing Utopia, so that all enemy creatures are tucked into their owner's library, but your creatures stay on the battlefield. The card has a lot of functionality beyond simply "hose Terminus".

ok, I don't play EDH, I just apply Legacy optics

[Vicar in a tutu]

Curse of Dementia:b::b:
Enchantment - Aura Curse
Enchant player
If the enchanted player would discard a card, instead that player discards that card and an additional card at random.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Constrain Rumination :w:
Instant
Each player can't draw more than one card this turn.
Flashback :1::w:
Calm your mind.

[Barook]

Constrain Rumination :w:
Instant
Each player can't draw more than one card this turn.
Flashback :1::w:
Calm your mind.
That seems terribly conditional and like a mediocre SB card at best.

[Vicar in a tutu]

That seems terribly conditional and like a mediocre SB card at best.
It might not be maindeckable, but I don't think every new card has to be.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Doomward :w:
Instant
Target player gains protection from a color of your choice until end of the turn.
Emerge from the inferno unscathed.

Aegis Decomposer :2:
Artifact
When Aegis Decomposer enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Players and permanents lose protection and can’t have or gain protection.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Ravensburg Torturer :1::b:
Creature - Human Advisor
Deathtouch
Whenever a player pays life, that player loses that much life.
2/1
Each sting of pain just magnifies his appetite.

[Vicar in a tutu]

I just keep on spamming here:

Inspired Earthmaiden:g:
Creature - Nymph
Flash
Whenever an opponent draws a card, if it's not the first card he or she drew this turn, put a reverie counter on Inspired Earthmaiden.
Remove a reverie counter from Inspired Earthmaiden: Add :g:, :w:, or :r: to your mana pool.
0/2

Demented Hierarch:b:
Creature - Human Druid
Exalted
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, exile up to one card from an opponent's graveyard and that opponent loses 1 life.
0/1

[LOLWut]

Contaminated Goblin Cart :1::r:
Creature - Goblin
Whenever you're dealt damage, sacrifice Contaminated Goblin Cart unless you sacrifice a Goblin.
If a land is tapped for mana, it produces :r: instead of any other type and amount.
1/1
Eww, they're dying all over our land.

Or something.

[kirkusjones]

Contaminated Goblin Cart :1::r:
Creature - Goblin
Whenever you're dealt damage, sacrifice Contaminated Goblin Cart unless you sacrifice a Goblin.
If a land is tapped for mana, it produces :r: instead of any other type and amount.
1/1
Eww, they're dying all over our land.

Or something.

Piggy-backing off this:

Goblin Plague Doctor RR

Creature - Goblin Shaman

At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Goblin Plague Doctor unless yoUu sacrifice a goblin.
Goblin creatures you control have infect, and "at the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this creature unless you sacrifice a goblin."

"'Cure me'? Oh. That makes more sense. I heard 'kill me'" - Snot -Snout Poxhide, chief of goblin medicine

0/2

[Bed Decks Palyer]

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Juniper Elves :g:
Summon Elves

Tap: Add :w: to your mana pool.

Printed originally in the Alliances,
these elves became a staple in the
contemporary "Erhnamgeddon" deck.
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[Gheizen64]

Lately i've been thinking a lot about how much mana screw and going first/second are a big deal in magic. So i've been thinking about a land that could "help" this issue.

Unluckyman Taiga
Land - Forest Mountain
ETB tapped unless it's the first turn of the game and you went second.
sacrifice ~ , discard a basic forest or mountain: draw a card.

Basically a strictly better dual if you started second, and a comparable but usually bit worse dual if you went first.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Acolyte of Pain :b:
Creature - Human Cleric
Whenever an opponent pays life, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Acolyte of Pain.
When Acolyte of Pain dies, you and target opponent each lose X life, where X equals the number of +1/+1 counters on Acolyte of Pain.
2/1

[LOLWut]

Green should get in on the knowledge-testing train of Legacy "name a card" cards like Cabal Therapy, Meddling Mage, Nevermore, Runed Halo, Slaughter Games, Phyrexian Revoker and Pithing Needle.

Tracker's Obsession :1::g:
Enchantmant -- Aura
Enchant green creature
When Tracker's Obsession enters the battlefield, name up to three creature cards.
When any of the named creatures enters the battlefield, gain control of that creature and destroy enchanted creature.
Enchanted creature can't block.
"You become what you think about all day long." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Scott]

Obviously decks with blue have long had the best tempo cards for a while, and some of the best early game cards, and now they have one of the best mid and late game cards in Treasure Cruise. I wanna see what cards people can come up with to give other colors tempo and early game tools, preferably ones that won't be best in a blue shell. Seems like :w::b::r::g: are lacking in the "rather than pay mana cost" and "unless its controller pays" area.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

Obviously decks with blue have long had the best tempo cards for a while, and some of the best early game cards, and now they have one of the best mid and late game cards in Treasure Cruise. I wanna see what cards people can come up with to give other colors tempo and early game tools, preferably ones that won't be best in a blue shell. Seems like :w::b::r::g: are lacking in the "rather than pay mana cost" and "unless its controller pays" area.

The biggest problem with Delver is that it is an evasive beat that breaks even with most removal (in fact gut shot is the only one that I know of, and it only takes care of it before it flips) combine this with Daze and Force of Will, it's very easy to suffer a massive tempo loss against an active flipped Delver.

However, one way to look at this is to provide the other colors removal that doesnt simply ignore counterspells, but plays around them nicely.

~ 1B
Instant
~ deals 2 damage to target creature. You gain 2 life.
At the beginning of each end step, you may pay 1B. If you do, return ~ from your graveyard to your hand.

Of course, this gets shut down by Rest in Peace, but then if theyre doing that, they certainly arent playing Treasure acruise very well.

[EGarrett]

Lately i've been thinking a lot about how much mana screw and going first/second are a big deal in magic. So i've been thinking about a land that could "help" this issue.

Unluckyman Taiga
Land - Forest Mountain
ETB tapped unless it's the first turn of the game and you went second.
sacrifice ~ , discard a basic forest or mountain: draw a card.

Basically a strictly better dual if you started second, and a comparable but usually bit worse dual if you went first.
You can also template that more simply by saying it comes into play tapped if your opponent controls no land. The opening board state can be used to create some tidy wordings like that.

Similar to this...

http://oi59.tinypic.com/50lehd.jpg

[EGarrett]

Oh, and if Wizards ever decides the multi-colored decks are getting too plentiful and decides to bans fetchlands, I went ahead and templated these as a possible "fixed" set of duals that would smooth out mana bases without turning everything into 4-color madness.

http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/Duals%20Finish_0.jpg

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Make it into 3, 3, 2, 2 columns, i don' see the last cards and I'm interested in pictures... :frown:
Thanks!
Oh, and interesting idea!

[EGarrett]

Make it into 3, 3, 2, 2 columns, i don' see the last cards and I'm interested in pictures... :frown:
Thanks!
Oh, and interesting idea!
Can you see it by clicking this?

http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/Duals%20Finish_0.jpg

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I can! Nice!

[Gheizen64]

You can also template that more simply by saying it comes into play tapped if your opponent controls no land. The opening board state can be used to create some tidy wordings like that.

Similar to this...

http://oi59.tinypic.com/50lehd.jpg

Your card is really interesting, i like it a lot. The added utility as a sac outlet isn't to be underestimated too!
Also, the template u proposed is a different from mine because it actually come into play tapped if you went first and it's your first turn, but untapped every other turn. Mine enter tapped every turn except your first if you went second. So it's actually quite a bit better, basically a dual for all intent and purposes (could be an excellent budget substitute as a 1-of since you fetch for a dual every other turn).

Maybe something like this:

Fair Taiga
Land - Forest Mountain
Fair Taiga etb tapped. When Fair Taiga etb, if your opponent control as many lands as you do, or more, untap it.
2, sacrifice: draw a card

So basically it etb tapped if you went first, it's usually a functional dual if you went second, and has added utility lategame if you're flooded. Your cards is also really nice so i'd like some other cards with that template like:

http://mtgcardsmith.com/view/cards/1416075413090674.png

Both an anti-storm and anti-counter/heavy cantrip decks. Much less restrictive in general, but something like this would actually make MUD semi-viable in legacy as it work as its own sol land. Also i think your dual cycle would work much better if they said that the other color's spells cost 1 more instead of being literally uncastable. As they are, Shocks, Fastlands etc... are way better.

[frafen]

:g: Green Brainstorm

-Sorcery

Draw three cards than you may reveal two green or colorless cards and put them on top of your library in any order.

If you don't, reveal two random cards from your hand and put them on top of your library in any order.

And so on, Red-White-Black Brainstorm. I don't like too much this card, but it could be an idea (to increase consistency of non-blue decks).

[EpicLevelCommoner]

Fixed Brainstorm - UU
Sorcery
Draw five cards, then put four cards drawn this way on top of your library in any order.

eh ...

Red Brainstorm - RR
Sorcery
Draw three cards, then shuffle two cards drawn this way into your library.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return ~ from your graveyard to the top of your library.

Maybe too strong, but actually not bad considering the cmc.

Green Brainstorm - GG
Creature - Insect
Hexproof, Deathtouch, Reach
When ~ etb, draw three cards, then put two cards drawn this way on top of your library in any order.
1/1

Yeah ... did I mention I hate delver?

White Brainstorm - WW
Creature - Soldier
Noncreature spells cost 1 more to cast for each card its controller has drawn this turn.
When ~ etb, draw three cards, then put two cards drawn this way on top of your library on any order.
2/1

Thalia that punishes Brainstorm

Black Brainstorm - BB
Sorcery
Draw any number of cards, then put all but one drawn this way on top of your library in any order. You lose life equal to the number of cards drawn this way.

Probably borked as fork, but damn that is so sexy imo.

[Sloshthedark]

You can also template that more simply by saying it comes into play tapped if your opponent controls no land. The opening board state can be used to create some tidy wordings like that.

Similar to this...

http://oi59.tinypic.com/50lehd.jpg

I like it, could make a nice mechanics cycle, but this card is better in T1 combo than against it - I'd prefer "You can't play spells/activated abilities, skip your next turn" as mechanics of alternate cost



In a conversation with Einherjer he expressed that he likes the Miracles x Delver x Storm meta but feels like Storm needs a little boost to be on par, I do not agree but kept thinking about it and I think this can significatly improve Storm while not making the deck totaly broken


Annyoing kid:b:

Human

When ~ comes into play target opponent reveals his or her hand.
You choose a noncreature, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.

0/1


could have a "During your upkeep discard a card or target Opp gains control of ~. " to make it more interesting
can easily have a white variant


Annoying Spirit :w:

Spirit

When ~ leaves play target opponent reveals his or her hand.
Choose one:
- That player chooses and exiles a creature card.
- That player chooses and exiles a nonbasic land card.

1/0


or in 2CC variants


Persistent Salesman :b::b:

Human Horror

Persist

When ~ comes into play target opponent reveals his or her hand.
You choose a noncreature, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.

You show him the door, he returns through the window.

1/1



Former Salesman :w::w:

Zombie Spirit

Undying

When ~ leaves play target opponent reveals his or her hand.
Choose one:
- That player chooses and exiles a creature card.
- That player chooses and exiles a nonbasic land card.

You show him the window, he returns though the door.

0/0

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Slosh, those are some funny cards! If there will be any Return to Lorwyn expansion, those'd be lovely.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Shivan Battlemage :1::r::r:
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
When Shivan Battlemage enters the battlefield, choose one:
* Counter target blue spell.
* Destroy target blue permanent.
2/2

Goblin Kinsight :r:
Tribal Sorcery - Goblin
You may tap a goblin you control rather than pay Goblin Kinsight's mana cost.
Exile the top three cards of your library. Until end of turn, you may play all Goblin cards exiled this way.

Stillness of Sleepers :1::w:
Enchantment
Sacrifice Stillness of Sleepers: Your opponents can't cast spells this turn.

Herald of Titania :g::g:
Creature - Elemental
Whenever a land you control is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, put a 1/1 green Elemental creature token onto the battlefield.
1/2

[Vicar in a tutu]

Ulialume, Lady of the Grove :w::g:
Legendary Creature - Dryad
Enchantments cost :w: or :g: less to cast.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control three or more enchantments, draw a card.
0/1

Orboz, Exalted Emperor :r::r:
Legendary Creature - Goblin
Token creatures you control have haste.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a 1/1 red Goblin creature token onto the battlefield.
2/2

Ranger of Hyrdwald :w::g:
Creature - Human Warrior
Protection from red, vigilance
When Ranger of Hyrdwald enters the battlefield, exile four cards from target player's graveyard.
2/2

[Bed Decks Palyer]

That Shivan Battlemage, hm... seems like he misses flash, right?

[Vicar in a tutu]

That Shivan Battlemage, hm... seems like he misses flash, right?
Fixed :)

[Vicar in a tutu]

Zhu Shun, Empress of Petals :w:
Legendary Creature - Human Noble
Whenever another legendary permanent enters the battlefield under your control, put a 1/1 white Courtier creature token onto the battlefield.
1/1
The imperial court, filled with wonders, grows for each passing season.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Zhu Shun, Empress of Petals :w:
Legendary Creature - Human Noble
Whenever another legendary permanent enters the battlefield under your control, put a 1/1 white Courtier creature token onto the battlefield.
1/1
The imperial court, filled with wonders, grows for each passing season.

That's very nice!

[rufus]

I wouldn't mind seeing a cycle of postive cantrip hate cards...

Pilgrim Loremaster
:w:
Human Priest
Flash
When Pilgrim Scholar enters play, exile a card from your hand or sacrifice it.
Whenever a single player would draw a card, each player draws a card instead.
1/1

Hellbent Loremaster
:r:
Human Shaman
Flash
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player discards a card at random and draws two cards instead.
1/1

Arbor Loremaster
:g:
Human Druid
Flash
Whenever a spell an opponent controls makes a player draw a card, you may search your library for a basic forest card, and put it onto the battlefield tapped.
1/1

Crypt Loremaster
:b:
Human Rogue
Flash
Whenever a spell an opponent controls makes a player draw a card, you may return a black card from your graveyard to your hand.
1/1

[TsumiBand]

I wouldn't mind seeing a cycle of postive cantrip hate cards...

Pilgrim Loremaster
:w:
Human Priest
Flash
When Pilgrim Scholar enters play, exile a card from your hand or sacrifice it.
Whenever a single player would draw a card, each player draws a card instead.
1/1

Hellbent Loremaster
:r:
Human Shaman
Flash
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player discards a card at random and draws two cards instead.
1/1

Arbor Loremaster
:g:
Human Druid
Flash
Whenever a spell an opponent controls makes a player draw a card, you may search your library for a basic forest card, and put it onto the battlefield tapped.
1/1

Crypt Loremaster
:b:
Human Rogue
Flash
Whenever a spell an opponent controls makes a player draw a card, you may return a black card from your graveyard to your hand.

I kind of want all of these to explicitly say "whenever an opponent would draw" just because there's always the possibility that Blue Player gets to wank out a durdly combo with one of them. Like, off the top of my head, something stupid with infinite Brainstorm recursion would deck all your opponents with the White one (not that whatever deck that can do that is amazing, but if it's going to be a hate card it should probably actually be a hate card)

[kirkusjones]

Strugg, the Cultivator 1BG

Legendary Creature - Zombie Druid

As long as Strugg is in your graveyard, you may play lands in your graveyard as though they were in your hand. At the beginning of your upkeep, if Strugg, the Cultivator is in your graveyard, reveal the top card of your library. If it is a creature card, you may discard it to return Strugg, the Cultivator from your graveyard to the battlefield. Otherwise, put the revealed card on the bottom of your library.

4/2

[rufus]

I kind of want all of these to explicitly say "whenever an opponent would draw" just because there's always the possibility that Blue Player gets to wank out a durdly combo with one of them. Like, off the top of my head, something stupid with infinite Brainstorm recursion would deck all your opponents with the White one (not that whatever deck that can do that is amazing, but if it's going to be a hate card it should probably actually be a hate card)

The white one would be OP if it weren't symmetric. I guess it could be changed to "each player may draw" (but I don't want to make obstinate familiar obsolete).

[ajfennewald]

Here is my idea.
Wilder Nacatl
G
+1/+1 if you control a forest
+1/+1 if you control a plains
+1/+1 if you control a island
+1/+1 if you control a swamp
+1/+1 if you control a Mountain
0/0

[Vicar in a tutu]

Call of Ulialume X:g::w:
Sorcery
Search your library for a green or white enchantment card with converted mana cost X or less and put it into play.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Lorestalker Spider:2::g::g:
Creature - Spider
Protection from blue, reach
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent drew three or more cards this turn, you may put Lorestalker Spider from your hand onto the battlefield.
2/4

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Lorestalker Spider:2::g::g:
Creature - Spider
Protection from blue, reach
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent drew three or more cards this turn, you may put Lorestalker Spider from your hand onto the battlefield.
2/4

Make it a 3/4 and I'm buying a set! :laugh:
Is it possible to make a theme of this, similarly to hidden dudes?

[Vicar in a tutu]

Make it a 3/4 and I'm buying a set! :laugh:
Is it possible to make a theme of this, similarly to hidden dudes?
I wanted to make it 2/4 so that it had the same power / toughness as Giant Spider from Alpha. I think making a cycle of these cards would be really cool, that's a great idea.

[Meekrab]

Oh, and if Wizards ever decides the multi-colored decks are getting too plentiful and decides to bans fetchlands, I went ahead and templated these as a possible "fixed" set of duals that would smooth out mana bases without turning everything into 4-color madness.
I actually like this idea a lot for a "**** blue" block, except they should all say "You can't play Blue spells."

[Meekrab]

Here is my idea.
Wilder Nacatl
G
+1/+1 if you control a forest
+1/+1 if you control a plains
You lose the game if you control a island
+1/+1 if you control a swamp
+1/+1 if you control a Mountain
0/0
;)

[rufus]

There might be too many 'freetrips' in the game, but how about:

Change of Fortune
R/Phyrexian
Instant
Target opponent shuffles his or her library.
Draw a card.

Edit: Make this opponent-specific as ahg113 suggested.

[iamajellydonut]

There might be too many 'freetrips' in the game, but how about:

Change of Fortune
R/Phyrexian
Instant
Target player shuffles his or her library.
Draw a card.

How much cantrip can a cantripchuck chuck since a cantripchuck can chuck cantrip?

[ahg113]

There might be too many 'freetrips' in the game, but how about:

Change of Fortune
R/Phyrexian
Instant
Target player shuffles his or her library.
Draw a card.

Should be target opponent instead of player, with a caveat stipulation "If that player shuffles their library, draw a card." Giving the blue shell more ability to shuffle it's library is a joke. Changing it to opponent makes it truly disruptive and asymmetrical, thus not an auto-include in the :u: machine. Making it pendant on the shuffle means it's not a free cantrip if for some reason the opponent is untargetable.

Otherwise, this is a very good card. Random disruption in red feels correct, cantrip makes it playable.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Leyline of Parity :2::w::w:
Enchantment
If Leyline of Parity is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Each player can't draw more than one card each turn.

[bruizar]

Karn, Synthesized :0:
Planeswalker - Karn
2 loyalty
+1 Target opponent reveals a card in his hand at random, you lose 2 life.
-2 Add one colorless mana to your mana pool, exile the top 5 cards from your library.
-7 Exile all permanents from the game.

Flavor: After Karn was liberated, Karn was bound again, this time turned into a Mox/Trinket (Think espers of Final Fantasy 3). May be a little bit too good, but Chalice of the Void at 0, abrupt decay, repeal and lightning bolt are pretty good at keeping it contained. Colorless mana and exiling (from 2 zones: board and deck, instead of board and hand) are themed accordingly.


-2
Exiling the top 5 cards makes it so that you can accidentally blow yourself out of the game by exiling a Tendrils of Agony and ties into Karn's exiling. Karn, Synthesized starts at 2 so it takes at least 2 turns to get 2 mana activations out of it, which keeps it a bit more balanced for the combo players out there. The additional damage also makes it more dangerous for combo to play against tempo and burn decks compared to using lotus petal.

+1
The +1 mirrors the +4 of Karn Liberated. The damage ensures Karn Synthesized isn't better than an Ancient Tomb and references Shahrazad (and thus Karn Liberated's ultimate). Although it's possible to now drop turn 1 Trinisphere, you would lose your Karn, Synthesized and the next one would cost 3 mana.

-7
The ultimate costs -7 mimicking the mana cost of Karn Liberated. The -7 costs a lot of turns and half your life. Shahrazad also eat half your life, and the -7 sort of 'restarts' the game the same way Karn Liberated and Shahrazad do. The idea is that Karn, Synthesized shatters and explodes its power onto the world, destroying everything.

This would be a high impact card, for being the first 0 mana planeswalker; which fits Karn since it is one of the most iconic characters of the game and is very important to magic's storyline. Auto-restricted in Vintage. Not sure whether the ultmate should exile non-land permanents instead.

The art should be a based on Darksteel Relic; but this time charged with the spirit of Karn.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Ok, challenge accepted.


Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a Forest card and puts it otb.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature with shroud on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: You get an emblem "Forest you control also have 'tap: add an amout of :g:
to your mana pool equal to the number of Dryad creatures you control.'"


Flavor: Once the Feroz's ban of Ulgrotha weakened and the plane became once again visited by dueling PWs, Kaja went from hiding to defend the Homeland(s). At first she tried to simply stay in a way of the invaders, but lately she decided to actively move war on the hostile ground and of her own plane, so that the inhabitants are spared of the suffering.

-2
(Kaja revitalizes the plane of Ulgrotha.)
Making it search for (even though non-basic) Forest makes it interesting in multiplayer Magic esp. for a Phelddagrif like group hug EDHs, it isn't that easily misused by non-green decks (Legacy sidenote: I guess that tempo StifleWasteDaze piles have little profit from this, right?), and it helps out of manascrew and speeds up the game towards the bomby phase, Timmie like that, don't they?
As a one mana legendary Nature's Lore that can be revoked/needled/stifled and is symmetrical, this shouldn't be overly powerful...


+1
(Kaja builds a defense of her world.)
Ok, this one is questionable, because one-mana repeatable shroudy dudes are nothing to sneeze at... maybe. Maybe not. There are lots of -1/-1 global instants and sorceries, Pyroclasm and friends exist. In Legacy this is far from overpowered especially in non-elves tribe. Making one Dryad at a time makes it far harder to defend another (solid) PW with a cheap turn1 one. Legacy application: this would once again relieve a bit of a blue(/black) pressure, as the unending stream of Goyf blockers, post-Terminus Jace-pesters and Pox-fodder should be a good effect, true?


-6
(Kaja moves the war out of her realm.)
Similarly to Karn, this is a play on original AW's cmc.
No. She won't create a 4/4 shroud avatar. That'll be cheap. Instead of that, the now revitalized plane is able to spawn an immense amount of its own defenders, ones that are able to cross the boundaries of their realm and move the war of their homelands. With all the mana available, the victory is at hand. Note that this isn't "I win" button, and note that it maybe must be worded a bit different, so that the Forests keep their original text (or does the rule "Forest add :g:" simply stay in effect?), so that the "Engineered Plague: dryads" doesn't also equal to one-sided Armageddon. Legacy sidenote: it definitely isn't overpowered for our format, is it? Unless you go really crazy with Dryad Arbors.

[PirateKing]

Shouldn't these be formatted as +1, -2, -7?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Shouldn't these be formatted as +1, -2, -7?

Depends. The colored ones might be -2, +1, -6, right? Because they cost one mana more than Karn and thus you cannot play both them and yet another card on turn1.
But yeah, it's mostly because of the original Autumn Willow's manacost.

[bruizar]

PirateKing: I think you are referring to the order of the abilities, right?

I like your version BDP. The +1 looks a little bit powerful, as I would imagine it being played like a Young Pyromancer with an ultimate and an occasional mana ramp / fixing ability. How do you feel about changing the arbors to 0/1's or even 0/2?

Let's hope WOTC is watching this thread.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

PirateKing: I think you are referring to the order of the abilities, right?

I like your version BDP. The +1 looks a little bit powerful, as I would imagine it being played like a Young Pyromancer with an ultimate and an occasional mana ramp / fixing ability. How do you feel about changing the arbors to 0/1's or even 0/2?

Let's hope WOTC is watching this thread.

Yeah, that's much better. A 0/1 plants that protect their queen. Either that or they cannot have shroud. Fixed the PW.

[PirateKing]

PirateKing: I think you are referring to the order of the abilities, right?

I like your version BDP. The +1 looks a little bit powerful, as I would imagine it being played like a Young Pyromancer with an ultimate and an occasional mana ramp / fixing ability. How do you feel about changing the arbors to 0/1's or even 0/2?

Let's hope WOTC is watching this thread.

Yeah, just the order, not the strength or cost or anything

[rufus]

Ok, challenge accepted.


Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a Forest card and puts it otb.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature with shroud on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: You get an emblem "Forest you control also have 'tap: add an amout of :g:
to your mana pool equal to the number of Dryad creatures you control.'"
....

That's way too good. You could play it as a 1 cc Nature's Lore and ignore the other abilities, and it would probably still be OP. Similarly, it would probably be viable as a chump factory.

I want to play too:

Rohgahh, Master of the Horde:r:
Planeswalker - Rohgahh
2 loyalty
+2: Exile a card from your hand. If you do, put a 0/2 red kobold creature token onto the battlefield.
-3: If you attacked with a creature this turn, when you cast the next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may chose new targets for the copy.
-7: Untap all creatures that attacked this turn. After this main phase there is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

That's way too good. You could play it as a 1 cc Nature's Lore and ignore the other abilities, and it would probably still be OP. Similarly, it would probably be viable as a chump factory.

Totally right. I already realized that. She must either die after Nature's Lore, or at least have a Doubling Season in play to survive the activation.
PW fixed again. Notable changes: forests come tapped, dryad tokens lose shroud. Now it's worse then Nature's Lore and the dryads are no longer a Forcefield. Is it better?


Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a basic Forest and puts it otb tapped.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: You get an emblem "Forest you control also have 'tap: add an amout of
to your mana pool equal to the number of Dryad creatures you control.'"

[Quasim0ff]

Totally right. I already realized that. She must either die after Nature's Lore, or at least have a Doubling Season in play to survive the activation.
PW fixed again. Notable changes: forests come tapped, dryad tokens lose shroud. Now it's worse then Nature's Lore and the dryads are no longer a Forcefield. Is it better?


Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a Forest card and puts it otb tapped.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: You get an emblem "Forest you control also have 'tap: add an amout of
to your mana pool equal to the number of Dryad creatures you control.'"
It's STILL busted. Starting on loyalty, it might be okay. With basic forest instead of savannah etc.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

It's STILL busted. Starting on loyalty, it might be okay. With basic forest instead of savannah etc.

I guess you're right, one mana search for dual/Arbor is a bit too much. Fixed again... :laugh:

[Quasim0ff]

I guess you're right, one mana search for dual/Arbor is a bit too much. Fixed again... :laugh:

if starting on loyalty 1, I think it's fine.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Feyermorn Battlepriest :w::r:
Creature - Human Cleric
Feyermorn Battlepriest attacks each turn if able.
Nonbasic lands enter the battlefield tapped.
2/2
The world slows down as the battle speeds up.

[bruizar]

That's way too good. You could play it as a 1 cc Nature's Lore and ignore the other abilities, and it would probably still be OP. Similarly, it would probably be viable as a chump factory.

I want to play too:

Rohgahh, Master of the Horde:r:
Planeswalker - Rohgahh
2 loyalty
+2: Exile a card from your hand. If you do, put a 0/2 red kobold creature token onto the battlefield.
-3: If you attacked with a creature this turn, when you cast the next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may chose new targets for the copy.
-7: Untap all creatures that attacked this turn. After this main phase there is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase.

I wonder how this would be played. I think some kobold storm variant would try this. You can ramp it to 4 and gain a kobold, exiling your worst card, then, -3 and copy a culling the weak / red ritual / glimpse of nature and go off depending on the list. I think the wording right now is that, even when your Glimpse of Nature is countered, the copy still resolves if you activated Roghahh's -3, correct?

Alternatively, you can make 2 kobolds, and copy 2 spells to achieve card parity again, but that means Rohgahh dies. Could still be very useful in a control list where you can copy treasure cruise or ponder. Turn 1 rohgahh, turn 2 double ponder or double brainstorm with a fetch land is really good.

I don't immediately see how the -7 would be played, but maybe that's just fine.

[bruizar]

It's STILL busted. Starting on loyalty, it might be okay. With basic forest instead of savannah etc.

When you make it search for a basic forest, it's even better I think. At least, when both players are allowed to search for a forest card, players can splash a dual against it. Otherwise, the effect will often be even more asymmetric than veteran explorer. The fact that it enters the battlefield tapped should offset its power I think.

Consider the following scenario:

Turn 1 (t1), Kaja, +1 get 0/1 arbor
Turn 2 (t1), your opponent does something
Turn 3 (t2), -2 search for a tapped forest or a tapped dryad arbor, your opponent grabs a dryad arbor
Turn 4 (t2), your opponent attacks Kaja with a Dryad arbor. You must chump with your 0/1 dryad.
Turn 5 (t3), +1 get 0/1 arbor, board is now 1/1 dryad arbor, Kaja on 2 loyalty, and a 0/1 dryad.
Turn 6 (t3), Attack with Kaja Dryad Arbor, trade the 2 dryad arbors, or if you searched for a forest, then keep trading 0/1's against his dryad arbor.

Obviously, this only happens when no one is playing other spells, but as you can see it's incredibly slow if your opponent pressures Kaja with a splashed dryad arbor. 9 times out of 10.

When you -2 against combo that splashes a forest card, you are almost certainly dead.

So, in practice I think the +1 will be used most often, ramping to ultimate and then dropping bombs. The -2 will largely be ignored I think. The +1 is very good against decks with only a couple of win conditions. It would lose against swarm decks, but that means you need to overcommit to the board to pressure your opponent which sets you up for sweepers.

I think it's important to realize that, if your opponent does not answer any dryad, you're looking to hardcast Emrakul on turn 5 (5 lands tapping for 4 dryads each). If you add dryad arbor to the equation it becomes crazy quickly. You are 1 mana short theoretically hardcasting Kozilek, Ulamog and Emrakul on turn 5 with the following sequence.

Forest, Kaja, +1, (3 loyalty)
Fetch, Dryad Arbor, +1 (4 loyalty)
Fetch, Dryad Arbor, +1 (5 loyalty)
Fetch, Dryad Arbor, +1 (6 loyalty)
Forest, -6 Emblem
Add 7*5=35 mana to mana pool, triple eldrazi: 10, 15, 11

You will probably be playing with crop rotations and gaea's cradles in this list too.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Good points, bruizar. I'm back in the "each player searches for a Forest card" camp, simply because the opponents should be able to find the duals and get rid of the PW (Taiga->Bolt, Bayou->Decay) or at least pressure her (Savannah->dude, Trop->Delver).
Wow. I thought that it's an easy taks to design crappy :g: planeswalker, but the more points you bring, the more I see how problematic this idea of mine was. Even as a one-mana Forcefield, she's not exactly bad, and both the ramp options are not exactly safe.

[bruizar]

I think that your ultimate is the most dangerous ability of all. The other two are probably fine; but the ultimate has inevitability written all over it. If you resolve Kaja and your opponent cannot interact with you, you are facing Emrakul which is uncounterable. You could even fetch for a land and hardcast 4 Panglacial Wurms from your deck :D.

That said, Abrupt Decay is uncounterable and pyroclasm, electrickery, and so many other answers address Kaja, including Repeal. If it really would become a troublesome card, I could see people play Izzet Staticaster.

It would be great to see if we can make a cycle of 6 of these (5 one mana PW's and Karn)

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Yes, I know that the ultimate is dangeorus. Otoh, it needs those cards to have either in hand or to get them via say Genesis Wave. Compared to say JTMS (I know, i know... cmc4 card and loooots of turns) this doesn't even win on itself, it needs cards to win with the mana. Notto mention that both Decay prior the emblem and PYroclasm any time during the "build up" is a serious hindrance. The best answer I can come with is that uncounterable deal two dmg to both players and all creatures that conveniently and simultaneously kills dryads and cripples Kaja.

Yes, I'd love if we can make a full cycle. So far Karn is set (and it's imho a well designed, maybe he should be limited to "destroy non-lands") and the red one (whom I cannot spell right :-P ) is also interesting.

[rufus]

I wonder how this would be played. I think some kobold storm variant would try this. You can ramp it to 4 and gain a kobold, exiling your worst card, then, -3 and copy a culling the weak / red ritual / glimpse of nature and go off depending on the list. I think the wording right now is that, even when your Glimpse of Nature is countered, the copy still resolves if you activated Roghahh's -3, correct?

Alternatively, you can make 2 kobolds, and copy 2 spells to achieve card parity again, but that means Rohgahh dies. Could still be very useful in a control list where you can copy treasure cruise or ponder. Turn 1 rohgahh, turn 2 double ponder or double brainstorm with a fetch land is really good.

I don't immediately see how the -7 would be played, but maybe that's just fine.

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, the copy ability should circumvent counterspells the same way that, say, storm triggers do.

I think the big pay-off for the copy ability is to copy bigger spells like Fireblast and Seething Song (and yes *sigh* Treasure Cruise) rather than Glimpse of Nature or Brainstorm. It might well be too strong, regardless.

The -3 and -7 abilities are references to Howl of the Horde and Fury of the Horde.

The -7 doesn't seem so strong to me either, and I'm also fine with that.

[PirateKing]

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, the copy ability should circumvent counterspells the same way that, say, storm triggers do.

I think the big pay-off for the copy ability is to copy bigger spells like Fireblast and Seething Song (and yes *sigh* Treasure Cruise) rather than Glimpse of Nature or Brainstorm. It might well be too strong, regardless.

The -3 and -7 abilities are references to Howl of the Horde and Fury of the Horde.

The -7 doesn't seem so strong to me either, and I'm also fine with that.

The fact that it makes Kobolds and was cheap made me think of the old cheeri0s storm deck, so copying a Glimpse would be very relevant.

[bruizar]

Okay here's another attempt.

After killing and taking possession of Kenan Sahrmal's body, the body rejected Lim Dûl's evil spirit. The great necromancer Lim Dûl, once a slave to Leshrac, returned to his true form, a living ball of raw flesh. The living remains of Lim Dûl wander the planes, in search of a suitable host: one with a soul as dark as his own.

Lim Dûl, The Living Remains
Snow Planeswalker - Lim Dûl
B
+1: Sacrifice a creature, then gain 2 life. Use this ability only if you have a creature.
-3: Scry 1, then lose 1 life. You may repeat this as many times as you want.
-4: Put a 2/2 Zombie into play for each snow permanent you control.
2 loyalty

+1: Sacrifice a creature, then gain 2 life.
Lim Dûl's spirit takes possession of a new body, only to find out that his host rejects Lim Dûl's dark spirit.

This ability gives you a little bit more life to fuel the second ability. Other than that it's pretty bad, but serves a goal in the overall design of the card. It makes Lim Dûl very fragile. Planeswalkers are normally judged by their ability to defend themselves (e.g. jace bounce, elspeth token); however, Lim Dûl does not only fail to protect itself, but opens itself up to aggro. This ability fairs well with the zombie theme, cards like Gravecrawler and Bloodghast can use the +1 consistently. The ability is also a good sack outlet for cards like Veteran Explorer. The +1 is a costly barrier to the other two abilities, which are considerably more powerful.

-3: Scry 1, then lose 1 life. You may repeat this as many times as you want.
Lim Dûl searches the planes for a suitable host: one as dark as his own.

This is a reference to Lim Dûl's vault. This ability is very strong, since it looks a little like Spoils of the Vault, Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Consultation. However, getting Lim Dûl to 3 loyalty is quiet a pain since it requires you to run creatures, which do not lend themselves very well to black combo decks. The fact that this is sorcery speed balances the ability, because you can't draw the card immediately after popping the -3. It's therefore also weak to cards like Jace, the Mindsculptor or Thought Scour.

-4: Put a 2/2 Zombie into play for each snow permanent you control.
Lim Dûl summons his fallen armies from the snowy peaks at Gix.

Lim Dûl became a necromancer after finding the ring of Mairsil, nearly dying during a blizzard near the conclave of mages. This ability ties into his necromancy skills. This ability gives Lim Dûl a beat down plan, but usually the size of the army shouldn't be too big. Dark Depths, Scrying Sheets, Snow-Covered Swamp are the better snow cards that can fuel this. This ability is best in a mono black deck (Pox, Donner Afterparty). Pox can use the card selection, and (hopefully) the deck building requirements are narrow enough so that blue decks do not benefit from it.

As for the art, I was thinking of something like Wall of Putrid Flesh and Living Wall.

Another design route would be to make it so that you can only play this card from your graveyard, similar to Haakon, Stromgald Scourge. This would make it quiet cool in dredge, or with entomb, and fits nicely with the taking possession of a living creature lore.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

O_O Wow, this is what I call creativity! That's really nice design and flavourful story. I really like the card, and I also like some of the unconventional ideas like the one with Haakon-like casting restriction or the whole concept of a PW that nearly doesn't defend himself.

[bruizar]

O_O Wow, this is what I call creativity! That's really nice design and flavourful story. I really like the card, and I also like some of the unconventional ideas like the one with Haakon-like casting restriction or the whole concept of a PW that nearly doesn't defend himself.

Thanks man. Appreciate the kind words! The Haakon take is interesting but it would alter the card quiet a bit I think. Need to think about how to do that :-).

The blue one and the white one are still up for grabs, who will try one?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Thanks man. Appreciate the kind words! The Haakon take is interesting but it would alter the card quiet a bit I think. Need to think about how to do that :-).

The blue one and the white one are still up for grabs, who will try one?

I hope that at the end you'll (help me to) polish the green one, I'd love if something meaningful would come out of that..

The white one? Angélique, Marquise des Anges? :tongue:

[bruizar]

Just trying something here



Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a forest card and puts it on the battlefield tapped.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: You get an emblem with "Basic forests also have "T: Sacrifice a dryad creature, target land becomes a basic forest." and an emblem with "Dryad creatures get +1/+0, shroud and forestwalk."


OR



Kaja, Willow of Autumn :g:
Planeswalker - Kaja
2 loyalty
-2: Each player searches his or her library for a forest card and puts it on the battlefield tapped.
+1: Put a green 0/1 Dryad creature on the battlefield, lose one life.
-6: Choose one —
• You get an emblem with "Basic forests also have "T: Sacrifice a dryad creature, target land becomes a basic forest."
• You get an emblem with "Dryad creatures get +1/+0, shroud and forestwalk.


The ultimate is unique because you get two emblems instead of one. This is quiet nice, because, like Jace and Garruk Relentless, the card has more to offer than 3 abilities, but it does so different from all the other current planeswalkers (double emblems). The reason for this is that in the lore it states that Autumn Willow has several options: 1) restart the mana channels at the cost of her creatures. 2) do nothing and watch the strength of the Homelands fade (not a real option) 3) wait for a miracle. Option 1 is bad (doesn't want to kill her own creatures), option 2 is unacceptable and option 3 is foolish. (actually option 2 and 3 are the same :p)

:1: The first emblem represents her choice to restart the mana channels after Feroz's Ban failed. Kaja sacrifices her dryads in order to revitalize the world through the power of nature. This plays like a green blood moon. You can disrupt 4 lands by tapping 4 forests and sacrificing your dryads, so it's a green moon for :g: :g: :g: :g: if your opponent didn't kill your Dryads before popping your ultimate. It's not a hardlock because you can still draw new lands and most likely, the opponent will not have Kaja or any Dryads left. You could use fetchlands to get Dryad Arbor and use this as a pseudo wasteland, which is interesting and promotes players to play monocolored / non-blue. The emblem grants the ability only to basic forests, because it's too easy to splash Autumn Willow otherwise, and because Autum Willow resides in the deep woods of the Homelands, not in the tropical islands :-).

:2: The second emblem is a nod to the fact that Autumn Willow was the very first card with shroud in the game. The emblem represents the miracle. It turns your Dryads into an unblockable win condition and Dryad Arbor suddenly gives Truename Nemesis a run for its money. Against a player that does not have any forests in play, you will likely sacrifice one Dryad to take your opponent's best land and attack with the 3 remaining Dryads. I think this would play strategically similar to Lingering Souls, where going all in or timing the flashback depends on your matchup (clock vs terminus; in this case clock plus minor mana disruption vs a 'green blood moon' effect). 3 virtually unblockable shrouded 1/1's are also a nod to True Name Nemesis, and the fact that it should have never been blue.

The emblems are based on the following part:

Shortly thereafter, Feroz's Ban started to fail, and she felt the energies that sustained her begin to fade. She knows that with her current strength, she may have a chance at restarting the mana channels, thus, over time, turning the world from a wasteland back into one rich with life. However, this will likely cost the lives of every creature in the Homelands. She is willing to destroy herself and Baron Sengir for the greater good, but she cannot bear to kill the Folk of An-Havva.

But if Autumn Willow doesn't use her power, then the strength of the Homelands will fade until even she ceases to exist, and what she saw in the vision may indeed come true. Now Autumn Willow is at a loss for what to do and is trying to find some third option, some miracle, because to destroy all the ones that she loves brings a cruelty that even a creature derived from balance and nature cannot endure. So she waits for a miracle that will keep her from using the very primal forces of nature against those that she loves more than life.

I could use some feedback on the two different versions. I think the first version offers a little more strategic depth, because you really only use the second emblem if the opponent has forests in play. But I like the second version a little better because I feel it's more of a flavor win by forcing the player to make the same choice as the Autumn Willow.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Wow, that was brilliant post with lots of amazing ideas. I'm ashamed that my answer will be short... :smile:

The second version is much more interesting, imho. I mean: much more! I'd choose this one, namely considering that Kaja, being one mana Nature's Lore or repeatable Forcefield, is pretty overpowered. The fact that her Big Ultimate (the two emblems combined) takes whoping 12 loyalty points and an amazing numbers of turns, balanes her other two abilites. This is especially important in a color with access to Doubling Season, although I do understand that it'll be Kaja, not DS, what will be played first.
The only thing I'm not sure is the Nature's Lore. I liked how the opponents could search for dual (it made her less one-sided), and I could see an ability saying "you search for basic Forests, other players for Forest", but this will make the text long, it'll be far less elegant and moreover, this ability won't be used too often, so lets keep it one-sided.

Much thanks for what you've done!

[bruizar]

Oops, I just copied the first two abilities. It should read forest card, fixed!

I'm glad you like it. I agree that the second version seems more balanced and interesting. Getting two emblems for a 1 mana planeswalker is a little bit OP; plus a planeswalker with bulleted options is sort of awesome :D.

For what it's worth, here is a little insight on how I try to create these.
I personally really like it when cards look really good on paper, but once you start to examine them in the context of specific decks, they fall apart a little bit because of all sorts of tensions with other cards and deck frameworks. Karn is a good example of this, it looks like a mox without a drawback, but upon closer inspection it's more like a colorless lotus petal. Yes you can get to 3 (colorless) mana turn 1, but you could get to 3 colored mana with a lotus petal so it doesn't actually change the explosiveness of decks too much. There's built in tension with Trinisphere. It enables turn 1 Trinisphere (soft lock) but you will be locked under it too; it does not enable turn 1 Blood Moon which can be a hardlock. I would expect that spoiler season's reaction to Karn would be OMG the world is falling, a 0 mana planeswalker!!!! Only to realize that there is an opportunity cost to playing him as well as the fact that randomly probing your opponent for 1 card really adds up. Life is a resource, but it's a non negligble resource. We have long departed from the notion that the only life point that matters is the last one with cards such as Ancient Tomb, Thoughtseize, fetch and Gitaxian Probe. Every point counts.

I tried to do the same for Kaja. I like how Choke interacts with Kaja. Although it's similar to Choke in the fact that it ties up mana, Kaja works exactly opposite to Choke. Kaja is to Choke as Blood Moon is to Back to Basics; but it's infinitely more fair because it is disrupted so easily and takes until turn 5 to happen. Also, you can top-deck yourself out of Kaja's mana channeling emblem. The card would be good in a green stax deck, because you can feed dryads to smokestack; but green stax is a subpar deck to begin with and relies on sol land to perform (which isn't great for Kaja.) A sweet interaction is that you can turn your ancient tombs into basic forests when the damage pressures you too much, or drop that second city of traitors by making the one already in play a basic forest. Also, green stax decks run chalice of the void, and since cavern of souls doesn't work on planeswalkers, there's built-in tension between Kaja and Chalice decks, similar to the way there's built-in tension between Karn and Trinisphere.

I ideally want to make Lim Dûl equivalent to a black sylvan library / brainstorm; it should enable tutoring which is black's most potent and iconic ability, but it should cost you a lot and you shouldn't be able to do it in every deck, because then blue will just splash it and run it alongside brainstorm like they always do. It should be archetypically black to reflect the way Green Sun's Zenith and Sylvan Library are archetypically green and brainstorm and ponder are archetypically blue.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Amazing post once again! I like the thought processes behind the cards, I did nothing similar when designing the original Kaja, as my main idea was to take some of the archetypically green apsects (ramp, dudes, more ramp and more dudes) without realizing how broken is the result.

[TsumiBand]

One drop walkers, eh? Needs to follow the story though, hmmm.

I haven't read any MtG story. vOv

Isamaru, Honda of the Multiverse :w:

Planeswalker - Isamaru

+2: Target creature you control gains first strike and vigilance until the beginning of your next turn.
-1: Isamaru deals 1 damage to target creature an opponent controls. Tap that creature.
-7: You gain an emblem with "During each turn, you may exile up to one target permanent or spell."

2

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So, right, let's see. Explanation...

+2: Dogs make you feel good. Well, they make me feel good anyway. I wanted to make an ability that made it as if Isamaru was hanging out with one of your creatures and perking them up. Thought about a counter, but... eh. Dogs are picky too and sometimes they hang out with other people, especially if they have food.
-1: Dogs are also scampy little jerks sometimes. Well, my dog is. Being a coonhound/blue heeler mix, she likes to herd. This means nipping at feet and legs to redirect people.
-7: Dogs like to play fetch. I feel this applies to many dogs besides my dog. I like the idea of a planeswalking hound being able to chomp down on a spell like it's a Frisbee. Perhaps this is without enough precedent in White, or perhaps it should not be "permanent OR spell" and just one or the other. But really, isn't there something cute about the notion that a supercharged, spark-carrying Isamaru could see an inbound spell and just be like "RUH ROH" and snag it out of the aether and then rip it to pieces? I like this idea.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

:laugh:

Tsumi, I love you. Ok, so after the whole REALLY SERIOUS cards you came with this? And moreover... I like it?
No, really, I mean it: I like it. Maybe it's far too funny for the grim faces of WotC, but this one would be amazing.

[Barook]

How about this mix of rebels and GSZ to increase white's consistency?

Royal Recruiter :w:
Creature - Human Soldier
X:w:, tap, Discard a card: Search your library for a white creature card with converted mana cost X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
1/2

[bruizar]

One drop walkers, eh? Needs to follow the story though, hmmm.

I haven't read any MtG story. vOv

Isamaru, Honda of the Multiverse :w:

Planeswalker - Isamaru

+2: Target creature you control gains first strike and vigilance until the beginning of your next turn.
-1: Isamaru deals 1 damage to target creature an opponent controls. Tap that creature.
-7: You gain an emblem with "During each turn, you may exile up to one target permanent or spell."

2

----
So, right, let's see. Explanation...

+2: Dogs make you feel good. Well, they make me feel good anyway. I wanted to make an ability that made it as if Isamaru was hanging out with one of your creatures and perking them up. Thought about a counter, but... eh. Dogs are picky too and sometimes they hang out with other people, especially if they have food.
-1: Dogs are also scampy little jerks sometimes. Well, my dog is. Being a coonhound/blue heeler mix, she likes to herd. This means nipping at feet and legs to redirect people.
-7: Dogs like to play fetch. I feel this applies to many dogs besides my dog. I like the idea of a planeswalking hound being able to chomp down on a spell like it's a Frisbee. Perhaps this is without enough precedent in White, or perhaps it should not be "permanent OR spell" and just one or the other. But really, isn't there something cute about the notion that a supercharged, spark-carrying Isamaru could see an inbound spell and just be like "RUH ROH" and snag it out of the aether and then rip it to pieces? I like this idea.

Given the humor in the card, I'm not sure how serious your attempt was, but here's my feedback anyway. Although I really like Isamaru as a planeswalker (especially given the fact that its a dog; which makes sense with the low mana cost), it would have been nice if you picked up where the storyline stopped so that the abilities make a little bit more sense. As for the abilities, I'm missing the tension between the abilities as it only has good ones. They don't really interact with each other which would have been cool. There are currently no drawbacks to the card in terms of self infliction of damage casting or ramping restrictions. It would be nice if you could make the abilities more integrated in the story and the color. The card doesn't really feel white to me (except for the -1). How do you expect people would play with this? I'd just ramp this card up as fast as possible and lock my opponent out with a free Counterspell every turn after cleaning up the threats with the emblem. The ultimate is way way way too strong and easy too get; and the -1 is too effective at combating creatures; it kills delvers, pyromancers and elves.dec which also going to 4 loyalty before a lightning bolt can even attempt to kill it.

For reference, here's some background on Isamaru
"Isamaru was the great white akita dog of daimyo Takeshi Konda. He was well-trained by Konda himself, but like Konda's own daughter, he suffered from the daimyo's lack of attention after Konda's crime. He found a great companion in Michiko.

Isamaru was present when Toshi Umezawa arrived to free Michiko from her own room, where she was locked away by her father after her journey to Jukai. Later, when O-Kagachi approached Eiganjo, General Takeno released Isamaru from the gates of the castle to give the dog a chance to survive. Isamaru ran to Eiganjo's evacuated population and helped them fight the akki horde that assailed the Towabara plains.

Even later, Isamaru was seen in Towabara again when Toshi arrived to borrow a battle moth from the remaining stables. He was with Constable Aoyama, who tried to prevent Toshi from stealing the animal. Toshi willed himself into the shadows and transported Isamaru to Jukai, near Michiko's position."

[Vicar in a tutu]

Dark Augury :b:
Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one into your hand, one into your graveyard and one at the bottom of your library. You lose life equal to the converted mana cost of the card you put into your graveyard.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Dark Augury :b:
Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one into your hand, one into your graveyard and one at the bottom of your library. You lose life equal to the converted mana cost of the card you put into your graveyard.
Black Brainstorm? :smile:
I cannot say how powerful this would be, but I guess that quite a lot. Nice thing is that it's not an Entomb no.2, as burying a reanimation target would really hurt.

[Dice_Box]

Volcanic check land

Land, Mountain, Island
~comes into play tapped if you control 3 or more lands.

Tap for (R) or (U)

[bruizar]

Dark Augury :b:
Instant
Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one into your hand, one into your graveyard and one at the bottom of your library. You lose life equal to the converted mana cost of the card you put into your graveyard.

I'm afraid that this will just replace ponder in blue decks. It digs more consistently than ponder, It's instant instead of sorcery, and it helps fuel your Treasure Cruise. The life loss will be minimal in a deck like delver.

[Vicar in a tutu]

I'm afraid that this will just replace ponder in blue decks. It digs more consistently than ponder, It's instant instead of sorcery, and it helps fuel your Treasure Cruise. The life loss will be minimal in a deck like delver.
You shouldn't underestimate the potential for lifeloss. With Treasure Cruise and Force of Will as staples (along with possibly Dig Through Time), it is absolutely possible to hit a situation where you have to pay some real life. Normally you would dump a land in the graveyard and take 0 damage, but what if that was the only land you saw and you really need that land? Besides, I don't mind a black card being labeled a "must play", it will shake up the dynamics of the format quite a bit. The card would also be good in nonblue shells, in a tier 2-3 deck like Zombies, for example: Dump a Gravecrawler or Bloodghast into the graveyard, etc. Also good with Cabal Therapy.

EDIT: But I changed it into a Sorcery to lower the power level.

[rufus]

Volcanic check land

Land, Mountain, Island
~comes into play tapped if you control 3 or more lands.

Tap for (R) or (U)

You should probably template this as "X other lands" to make it clearer.

Something in me wants them to print a cycle of lands like:

Lava Lake
Land, Mountain
Lava lake enters play tapped with a charge counter.
Remove a charge counter from lava lake: Untap Lava lake
T: Add R to your mana pool

[Vicar in a tutu]

Blessing of Abundance:2::g:
Sorcery
Search your library for a land card if target opponent has more lands on the battlefield than you and for a creature card if that opponent has more creatures on the battlefield than you.
Reveal the chosen cards and put them into your hand. Shuffle your library.

Dying of the Light:1::b::b::b:
Instant
Choose two -
* Destroy target nonblack creature.
* Target player discards a card.
* Draw a card and lose 2 life.
* Destroy target nonbasic land.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Herald of Extinction :1::b::b:
Creature - Spirit
When Herald of Extinction enters the battlefield, exile all creature tokens.
If a creature token would enter the battlefield, exile it instead.
2/2

[Barook]

Since people love to suggest anti-Brainstorm cards without ever bringing up actual suggestions, here's a little challenge:

- design an anti-Brainstorm card that is maindeckable without completely gimping yourself when your opponent isn't playing Brainstorm or card draw in general
- the card must not cost more than 1 mana unless it has some alternate casting cost
- the card must be symmetrical, thus not going well with Brainstorm itself (sacrifice effects in general are only temporary and thus not symmetrical); it also mustn't be blue in any form
- keep the design reasonable (neither too OP nor crude as Tom LaPille's attempt at hate cards)
- the more decks can play it, the better

Let's see what people can come up with.

[Ingo]

Since people love to suggest anti-Brainstorm cards without ever bringing up actual suggestions, here's a little challenge:

- design an anti-Brainstorm card that is maindeckable without completely gimping yourself when your opponent isn't playing Brainstorm or card draw in general
- the card must not cost more than 1 mana unless it has some alternate casting cost
- the card must be symmetrical, thus not going well with Brainstorm itself; it also mustn't be blue in any form
- keep the design reasonable (neither too OP nor crude as Tom LaPille's attempt at hate cards)
- the more decks can play it, the better

Let's see what people can come up with.

I would like a land to hate on brainstorm, costing nothing to bring into play, and being able to tap for colorless mana.

Bermuda Triangle
Tap: add 1 to your manapool
Tap, sacrifice Bermuda Triangle: Target opponent can’t draw cards this turn.

It hates on carddraw, but for the price of a sacced landdrop. The more cards your opponent draws (brainstorm, enter the infinite, glimpse, …), the bigger the effect. You could replace “can draw cards” with “can’t add cards to hand” to hate on Ad Nauseam as well.
Activating this versus brainstorm would be especially painful since your opponent still has to put two cards back on top of the library, which is a 5-for-1. Hurray crop rotation!

[Tylert]

Anti-brainstorm hate R or W??
Enchantement
Whenever a player draws cards as a spell resolution, if the number of card drawn is greater than the spell converted mana cost, then he discards that many cards and loses that many life.

Not really maindeckable :)

I don't see a maindeckable anti-brainstorm hate costing one mana only and not being a creature...
I hope you guys prove me wrong :)

[Fatal]

Brain Switch 1 - (CMC)

artifact

T, sac ~this~: Until end of turn, whenever player draw a card, other players draw a card instead.

Probably wording is a mess since it replace itself, any help for short working effect which wouldn't be self replace ?

Actually it can be used in any color, it can be easily recycled with quite powerful effect - opponent skip draw, and you draw instead so probably very powerful as 1 cmc. On the other hand each deck can play it and effect doesn't have big impact on game state - only on hands. I can see it could be very powerful with welder ;)

[Dice_Box]

Leyline of Mephistopheles.

Name says it all really.

[Slag]

Exposer of Secrets{g/w}
Half-halfling rogue
When ~ comes into play, draw a card for each card drawn by an opponent this turn.
You may play ~ as if it had flash by removing a green or white card from your hand.
1/1

It may be fine just with flash, come to think of it.

[Barook]

@Tylert: I never said that the challenge is an easy one, considering how OP Brainstorm is.

@Ingo & Fatal: Sacrifice effects disqualify themselves since they aren't symmetrical and can be abused with blue decks. I've updated the challenge primer to reflect that.

@Dice_Box: Works, but gimps yourself against non-draw decks and by not having it in your opening hand.

@Slag: A 1/1 with Flash wouldn't be overpowered, but yet again, it fails the symmetry check. It could be run alongside Brainstorm with no issues.

[TsumiBand]

Brough of Yewmahd :r:

Creature - Troll Soldier

Haste
If a player would draw a card, that player exiles that card instead. They may cast that card as if it were in their hand until end of turn.

1/2

//////

Not sure if any good, or maybe too good and I just don't see it. It "feels like" one of those things that either will never matter (fair decks don't really care about this effect) or it will completely dominate a game (the Brainstorm player now has to exile to BS and put two cards from hand on top of their library, and chances are they won't be casting this EOT) and so because it is swingy, I just have no idea. But it is an effect which Red seems to be tending towards anyway; the idea that "castable exiling" is their version of "card drawing", and so I feel like it's within Red's scope to do this.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Brough of Yewmahd :r:
Creature - Troll Soldier

Haste
If a player would draw a card, that player exiles that card instead. They may cast that card as if it were in their hand until end of turn.

1/2

How would this interact with the Miracles trigger? Favorably (for the :r: player), I assume. :laugh:
I would like this even if it was a Gray Ogre body without haste. At those stats it doesn't seem like it would harm Limited, Standard, or Modern... But it would be playable in MY petdeck, so Wizards should make it!

[Barook]

Brough of Yewmahd :r:

Creature - Troll Soldier

Haste
If a player would draw a card, that player exiles that card instead. They may cast that card as if it were in their hand until end of turn.

1/2

//////

Not sure if any good, or maybe too good and I just don't see it. It "feels like" one of those things that either will never matter (fair decks don't really care about this effect) or it will completely dominate a game (the Brainstorm player now has to exile to BS and put two cards from hand on top of their library, and chances are they won't be casting this EOT) and so because it is swingy, I just have no idea. But it is an effect which Red seems to be tending towards anyway; the idea that "castable exiling" is their version of "card drawing", and so I feel like it's within Red's scope to do this.
Although a 1 mana Uba Mask with a body feels kinda wrong. I would use the Chains wording instead:


If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player exiles that card instead. They may cast that card as if it were in their hand until end of turn.

Still feels like a very red effect and kinda discourages "in response" Brainstorming.

I was about to praise it as a really nice design until I realized that it turns Brainstorm essentially into a pseudo-Ancestral Recall with an empty hand, which is less awesome for its intended purpose.

Hard to say how to fix it. Discard first, then draw would also be a red effect, but then again, it would be just a red Chains.

@Tylert: I think noncreature permanents can be done, it just needs to be a bit more tricky:

First rough, quite OP draft would be:


Bound in Darkness :b:
Enchantment
When you cast Bound in Darkness, target opponent discards a card.
Spells and abilities can't cause players to draw extra cards.
I'm aware that it's a significantly better Chains due to being cheaper and having an uncounterable discard effect attached to it. Hardly balanced. How about some alternate casting mode instead?



Bound in Darkness :2::b:
Enchantment
You may exile a black card from your hand rather than pay Bound in Darkness' mana cost. If you do, it gains flash.
When you cast Bound in Darkness, if its mana cost was paid, target player reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
Spells and abilities can't cause players to draw extra cards.

I think this version is more interesting than the first draft since it gives you room for decision. The alternate cost + flash ensures that you can catch Brainstorm and other dumb draw spells, although at a small cost. The alternate cast mode gives you a discard spell, although a rather expensive one. And it wouldn't be completely dead against various decks. And at the very least, it wouldn't make Chains automatically obsolete by design alone.

[Ingo]

The Ruins at Pendrell Vale - Legendary Land
Each time a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player pays :1: or skips that draw instead.
Tap: add :1: to your manapool

After the Tabernacle was burned to the ground, fortune never returned to this once holy place.

[Barook]

The Ruins at Pendrell Vale - Legendary Land
Each time a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player pays one or skips that draw instead.

After the Tabernacle was burned to the ground, fortune never returned to this once holy place.
Make it at least tap for :1:, otherwise, it would suck.

[Ingo]

Make it at least tap for :1:, otherwise, it would suck.

Your wish is granted:)

[sdematt]

For Ruins, i like it. I would add a clause of tapping for mana if you control no islands.

[Barook]

I would add a clause of tapping for mana if you control no islands.
That seems kinda ham-fisted design-wise. Chances are that blue decks wouldn't run it anyway.

I like it being uncounterable and not having a window to cast Brainstorm in response.

[sdematt]

True, but it needs to at least tap for colourless otgerwise it is unplayable. Being Legendary, you maybe want to play 2, max.

[Barook]

True, but it needs to at least tap for colourless otherwise it is unplayable. Being Legendary, you maybe want to play 2, max.
Flavor reasons aside, would it be too strong if it was non-legendary?

I wonder if it would be too good if it stayed legendary, but could tap for mana of any color instead. If it only produces :1:, it competes with Wasteland for slots. As a Rainbow land, it could support a great variety of decks. Or maybe being able to tap for :1: normally or any color by paying 1 life, similiar to Mana Confluence? That would sound fair.

[sdematt]

What about tappung for colourless, still legendary, but with a charge counter for mana of any colour?

[Barook]

What about tappung for colourless, still legendary, but with a charge counter for mana of any colour?
Like Tendo Ice Bridge? Works, but kinda gets wordy.

Compare


The Ruins at Pendrell Vale
Legendary Land
Each time a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player pays :1: or skips that draw instead.
T: Add :1: to your mana pool.
T, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

with


The Ruins at Pendrell Vale
Legendary Land
Each time a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player pays :1: or skips that draw instead.
The Ruins at Pendrell Vale comes into play with a charge counter on it.
T: Add :1: to your mana pool.
T, Remove a charge counter from The Ruins at Pendrell Vale: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

I would still prefer the pay life variant since it's more flexible. Constantly paying life for colored mana is still a step drawback.

[TsumiBand]

Although a 1 mana Uba Mask with a body feels kinda wrong. I would use the Chains wording instead:



Still feels like a very red effect and kinda discourages "in response" Brainstorming.

I was about to praise it as a really nice design until I realized that it turns Brainstorm essentially into a pseudo-Ancestral Recall with an empty hand, which is less awesome for its intended purpose.

Hard to say how to fix it. Discard first, then draw would also be a red effect, but then again, it would be just a red Chains.

See, I don't think that's (solely) why people play Brainstorm - it's the buffet of things that BS brings to the table, the card filtering/discard protecting/library manipulating stuff, and Chandra-drawing fucks with all of that. It's true that an empty hand would turn it into an Ancestral Recall, but only if they can play all their cards that very same turn.

If the Brainstorming player is Hellbent instead of trying to decide which 7 to keep then it's done its job, AFAIC.

[rufus]

- design an anti-Brainstorm card that is maindeckable without completely gimping yourself when your opponent isn't playing Brainstorm or card draw in general
...
- the card must be symmetrical, thus not going well with Brainstorm itself (sacrifice effects in general are only temporary and thus not symmetrical); it also mustn't be blue in any form
...


Considering how fundamentally strong Brainstorm is, those two are tough to put together.

Here are some attempts at non-creature effects.

Balanced Books
W
Enchantment
Whenever a single player would draw a card, each player draws a card instead.

Leyline of Confusion
RR2
Enchantment
If Leyline of Confusion is in your opening hand, you may start the game with it in play.
Whenever a player would draw a card, if that player has a card in his or her hand, that player exiles a card from his or her hand at random, and draws two cards instead.

Fairy Circle
G
Instant
When you cast fairy circle, copy it once for each card an opponent drew this turn.
[Edit: This was too U-friendly, so I added.]
As an additional cost to cast fairy circle discard a card for each card you drew this turn.
Put a 1/1 saproling creature into play.

Chain of Command
B
Instant
You control target player while target spell that player controls resolves.
Exile Chain of command. Starting next turn, that player may play chain of command without paying its mana cost.

...

[Ingo]

It would be nice if the hatecard would be a cantrip as well, just like brainstorm.
Something like:

Choking blast :rg:
Instant
Counter target blue spell, if you paid :r:.
Target player can't draw cards this turn, if you paid :g:.
Draw a card if you control no islands.

At the very least, it could be played during upkeep to prevent an opponent drawing during drawstep.

[Vicar in a tutu]

For aggressive red decks:

Mindscourge Goblin :r:
Creature - Goblin Shaman
Whenever a player draws a card, Mindscourge Goblin deals 1 damage to that player.
2/1

I have already posted this leyline earlier. In a meta very heavy with card draw, I believe this is maindeckable in certain decks.

Leyline of Parity :2::w::w:
Enchantment
If Leyline of Parity is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Each player can't draw more than one card each turn.

[cartoonist]

Archive Ratcatcher :b:

Creature - Human
Whenever you draw a card, put a 0/1 black Rat token into play.
2/2

First, they ate the spell books. Then they ate the history tomes. Interestingly enough, they haven't touched the cookbooks.

[Tylert]

Archive Ratcatcher :b:

Creature - Human
Whenever you draw a card, put a 0/1 black Rat token into play.
2/2

First, they ate the spell books. Then they ate the history tomes. Interestingly enough, they haven't touched the cookbooks.

You want people to play brainstorm more? why not make the token 1/1 :)
I guess you meant "...whenever another player draws a card..."
2/2 for B is too strong with this ability...

[Darkenslight]

Seize the Moment :g: :g:
Instant
Cast Seize the Moment only if four or more cards have been drawn by a single player this turn.
End the Turn.

[rufus]

Seize the Moment :g: :g:
Instant
Cast Seize the Moment only if four or more cards have been drawn by a single player this turn.
End the Turn.

I think that has all the same weaknesses as Seedtime with little of the upside. I also don't really understand how it punishes Brainstorm beyond - maybe - attacking fetchlands.

[Julian23]

Choking blast :rg:
Instant
Counter target blue spell, if you paid :r:.
Target player can't draw cards this turn, if you paid :g:.
Draw a card if you control no islands.

At the very least, it could be played during upkeep to prevent an opponent drawing during drawstep.

This is not a cantrip. This is one of the most broken card advantage spells someone has ever suggested. For a single green mana you basically get instant speed Divination with an upside of potentially using it to counter something. This would be splashed in literally ever deck that could afford it. Not because of the countering part but because of the +1 card advantage.

[Barook]

Instants and sorceries in general fail the symmetry test unless you want to go for ham-fisted Tom LaPille designs. All they would do is feed Brainstorm decks even more if they were strong enough.

Leylines in general would make fine sideboard cards, but ask yourself: Would you include it to your MD if it actually existed?

@Vicar in a tutu: Mindscourge Goblin has some pretty aggressive stats. It's two power and at least one ping per natural draw. That's quite a lot for a mere :r:.

@Julian23: I agree that the card is totally unbalanced. I wonder if the design could be salvaged:

Gaea's Interlude: :g:
Instant:
Choose one -
* Players can't draw cards this turn.
* Draw a card.

It would probably fit more into white or black with these modes. Again, it would fail the symmetry test, but I wonder how many blue decks would try to run it.

[Ingo]

This is not a cantrip. This is one of the most broken card advantage spells someone has ever suggested. For a single green mana you basically get instant speed Divination with an upside of potentially using it to counter something. This would be splashed in literally ever deck that could afford it. Not because of the countering part but because of the +1 card advantage.

I liked the thought of a brainstorm-hatecard being a cantrip. Perhaps it's too overpowered, and it's better to drop the carddraw? Then again, brainstorm itself is pretty busted too, perhaps a broken card is needed as counterweight against blue shell/brainstorm's dominance.


@Julian23: I agree that the card is totally unbalanced. I wonder if the design could be salvaged:

Gaea's Interlude: :g:
Instant:
Choose one -
* Players can't draw cards this turn.
* Draw a card.


The choice between the two effects (drawhate and counter) was added because it's manainsufficiency to leave 1 mana open to cast the first, in hopes of responding to brainstorm; By adding a secondary use, the counterpart, leaving a mana open is much more flexible and efficient. So I would prefer on dropping the carddrawpart, instead of the counterpart.

[rufus]

...

Gaea's Interlude: :g:
Instant:
Choose one -
* Players can't draw cards this turn.
* Draw a card.

It would probably fit more into white or black with these modes. Again, it would fail the symmetry test, but I wonder how many blue decks would try to run it.

Even without the cantrip option, you can cast it during the opponent's upkeep. It's a super-counter for brainstorm, an effective counter to treasure cruise and SDT miracle activations, and a reasonable response to ponder, gitaxian probe, elvish visionary, mental note, and thought scour. It's useful against every deck in the DTB and good to decent in other matchups. Combo decks might maindeck it.

[Ingo]

Even without the cantrip option, you can cast it during the opponent's upkeep. It's a super-counter for brainstorm, an effective counter to treasure cruise and SDT miracle activations, and a reasonable response to ponder, gitaxian probe, elvish visionary, mental note, and thought scour. It's useful against every deck in the DTB and good to decent in other matchups. Combo decks might maindeck it.

But, requires you to keep a mana open, whereas the rest of the deck isn't built to make use of this (by packing counters for example). I think it's hardly that powerful when it requires you to be one landdrop behind, especially versus tempodecks.

Also, choosing between "draw a card" and "negate your opponents drawstep" is quite alike in terms of cardadvantage.

These reasons is why I like a "counterspell-versus-blue better" as the second choice, instead of "draw a card".

[rufus]

But, requires you to keep a mana open, whereas the rest of the deck isn't built to make use of this (by packing counters for example). I think it's hardly that powerful when it requires you to be one landdrop behind, especially versus tempo decks.

I don't understand what you mean. It can be played as a proactive card - leave a green mana open on your turn to respond to any EoT Brainstorms or instant speed cantrips, and, if there aren't any, you cast it on the opponent's upkeep as a virtual cantrip and still lock that player out of using Ponder or Treasure Cruise for the turn.

[Vicar in a tutu]

@Vicar in a tutu: Mindscourge Goblin has some pretty aggressive stats. It's two power and at least one ping per natural draw. That's quite a lot for a mere :r:

How about this?

Goblin Battleshaman :r:
Creature - Goblin Shaman
Whenever a player a draws a card, Goblin Battleshaman deals 1 damage to that player.
Goblin Battleshaman cannot block or attack alone.
2/1

[Ingo]

I don't understand what you mean. It can be played as a proactive card - leave a green mana open on your turn to respond to any EoT Brainstorms or instant speed cantrips, and, if there aren't any, you cast it on the opponent's upkeep as a virtual cantrip and still lock that player out of using Ponder or Treasure Cruise for the turn.

The primary effect is: "Target player can't draw cards this turn, if you paid :g:"
It's like you say, you should keep your mana open until EOT to catch brainstorm when playing against blue. But if there's no brainstorm following, the upkeep-draw-negation isn't that good (also as you say, just a virtual cantrip). Suppose you'd have a Red Elemental Blast in hand at the same time, you could use your open mana to counter the next blue spell being cast, which is probably a stronger play than the virtual cantrip.

That's why I suggested the secondary effect: "Counter target blue spell, if you paid :r:"
If you keep your mana open to catch a brainstorm but it ain't coming, you still have a red-elemental-blast-effect in the same card, for countering the next blue spell that gets cast. Having a draw-denial and a counter in one card makes sense, because they both could use the mana you left open, both in a different scenario.

[Rivfader]

Chaossphere :r:
Enchantment

Whenever a player would manipulate his library, he first draws a card, and afterwards randomly discards a card.
(manipulating your library includes shuffling, looking at cards or putting cards back on top or bottom).

Sacrifice Chaossphere: Scry 1, then draw a card.


(EDIT: coming to think of it, this sacrificing part makes it abusable by bluedecksfeaturingcantrip as well. So perhaps this is better:)
Chaossphere :r:
Legendary Enchantment
Whenever a player would manipulate his library, he first draws a card, and afterwards randomly discards a card.
(manipulating your library includes shuffling, looking at cards or putting cards back on top or bottom).
Whenever chaossphere goes to the graveyard, draw a card.

[maharis]

I don't really think only trying to attack Brainstorm the card specifically is the way to go. It's too efficient and by the time you get your hate online, it could be irrelevant. There are also real flavor/color pie concerns to take into account. And creating narrow answers doesn't lead to interesting gameplay. Here are some ideas I've had keeping in mind I'm terrible at names:

Volcanic Servant
1RR
Creature - Human Shaman
2/2
Intimidate
When ~ enters the battlefield, destroy target Island.

Fire Confidant
1R
Creature - Human Wizard
2/1
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
When you play a card exiled with Fire Confidant, Fire Confidant deals damage to you equal to that card's converted mana cost.

Mirri's Guile Dude
G
Enchantment Creature - Nymph or whatever
0/3
Reach
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
When Mirri's Guile Dude dies, draw a card.

Tree Canopy
1G
Enchantment
When you control an Island, sacrifice Tree Canopy.
Reveal the first card you draw each turn. If that card is a creature or land card, draw a card.

Underworld Dreams Dude
BB
Creature - Nightmare
2/2
First strike
Whenever a player draws a card, that player loses 1 life.

[Barook]

I don't really think only trying to attack Brainstorm the card specifically is the way to go. It's too efficient and by the time you get your hate online, it could be irrelevant. There are also real flavor/color pie concerns to take into account. And creating narrow answers doesn't lead to interesting gameplay. Here are some ideas I've had keeping in mind I'm terrible at names:

Volcanic Servant
1RR
Creature - Human Shaman
2/2
Intimidate
When ~ enters the battlefield, destroy target Island.

Fire Confidant
1R
Creature - Human Wizard
2/1
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
When you play a card exiled with Fire Confidant, Fire Confidant deals damage to you equal to that card's converted mana cost.

Mirri's Guile Dude
G
Enchantment Creature - Nymph or whatever
0/3
Reach
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
When Mirri's Guile Dude dies, draw a card.

Tree Canopy
1G
Enchantment
When you control an Island, sacrifice Tree Canopy.
Reveal the first card you draw each turn. If that card is a creature or land card, draw a card.

Underworld Dreams Dude
BB
Creature - Nightmare
2/2
First strike
Whenever a player draws a card, that player loses 1 life.
Aside from being "cheap" LD and Maro hating that, Volcanic Servant can be run with blue decks. Why not change it to "When ~ enters the battlefield, each player sacrifices an Island."? Same outcome in nonblue decks, but you would screw yourself over in blue decks.

Fire Confidant is a cool concept, but what exactly prevents you from feeding it with Brainstorm? That's not how you make the format less blue.

Same for the Guilde dude. While it's nice for GSZ, what prevents UGx decks from running a few GSZ (free extra shuffles - yeah!) alongside it?

Tree Canopy works, although the "drawback" is a bit ham-fisted.

Underworld Dreams Dude seems alright. Not great, just kinda alright.

[maharis]

I actually deleted all my explanations so my post wouldn't be a million years long, and you ended up asking a bunch of questions I asked myself.

1) RR is generally a lot to ask of the URx decks, and I don't think it's much of a better sideboard card than REB. I did consider the "each player sacrifices" wording for that reason, though. It could work but it could also prevent the caster from effectively mana screwing a player. As for whether it could be printed, Peak Eruption is in Theros and this card is pretty much the same sort of effect. It's not like players are using blue mana to remove it in Standard or anywhere, and as a 2/2 it will die to most commonly played standard removal. Further, duals in standard don't tend to have land types, so it won't hit those cards.

2) Bob himself doesn't make the cut in blue decks anymore, and this card is worse than him in those decks because you could always flip over a counterspell. I don't even know if this card is good but it might be interesting.

3) I'm not even sure this card is good in Legacy, even in a blue deck. It fixes your draws and dies to a Delver in a pinch, but is easily removed. Again, no reason for a blue deck to play this over Hierarch or DRS given that it will already have a superior suite of hand fixing.

4) The flavor of this card is supposed to be a jungle that floods at certain times of year. In this case, when you embrace non-green magic (anything but creatures and lands, as Maro has stated often), you get no effect; if you go so far as to bring water magic into its presence, you lose everything. I got the idea when I took my kid to the aquarium and there was an exhibit about such a habitat.

5) I know. I can't really think of a better black card at the moment that isn't just Necropotence or a color-shifted Sylvan Library or Chains on a stick.

I also can't think of a white card at all. White can't draw cards, and while it can stop people from doing so, we see from SotL that effect is limited. Need to think harder there. Thalia is as good as it gets at the moment.

Gold cards, planeswalkers, and artifacts are an interesting space, but harder to conceptualize. Artifacts are also super problematic in blue, especially in Vintage.

[Barook]

I also can't think of a white card at all. White can't draw cards, and while it can stop people from doing so, we see from SotL that effect is limited. Need to think harder there. Thalia is as good as it gets at the moment.
White could have Tithe effects (preferable for basic Plains) or cards similiar to Ranger of Eos which looks for white creatures with low CMC or power (chances are that it would end in an SFM-fetching orgy).

There were also rebels.

[rufus]

...
I also can't think of a white card at all. White can't draw cards, and while it can stop people from doing so, we see from SotL that effect is limited. Need to think harder there. Thalia is as good as it gets at the moment.
...

White has balance-type effects:
Draw a card for each card that target opponent drew this turn unless that player drew a card from a spell or effect you controlled.

Tax effects:
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player may pay 1 mana for each card he or she alntoiready drew this turn and then draw a card, or exile that card.

Lock effects:
Players can't draw cards. Each player puts the top card of his or her library into his or her hand at the beginning of his or her first main phase.

Token spitting:
Whenever a spell or effect makes an opponent draw a card, put 1/1 soldier token into play. Whenever a spell or effect makes you draw a card, each opponent puts a 1/1 solider token into play.

Reclamation effects:
Whenever a player looks at a card on top of his or her library, or puts a card on top of his or her library, each of that player's opponents may return a creature card with casting cost 1 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Just a random, new card. Not related to Brainstorm-hate. I've been trying to make red cards thematically related to love.

Lover's Kiss :r:
Sorcery
Exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play the card exiled this way.
Rebound.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Goblin Kin-Caller :1::r:
Creature - Goblin Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn if it's a Goblin card.
2/1
His call echoes throughout every warren of the Nornglasts.

[rufus]

Goblin Kin-Caller :1::r:
Creature - Goblin Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn if it's a Goblin card.
2/1
His call echoes throughout every warren of the Nornglasts.

Seems like you really wanted to use 'kinship' but backed off.

With the whole 'cantrip math' thing in the other thread I find myself wondering how much card quality can offset card advantage:

:r:
Taste of Madness
Sorcery
Draw four cards. Exile four cards from your hand.

[Gheizen64]

To continue the "reasons not to play blue":

Censorship 1W
Enchantment
Players can't manipulate libraries (players can't shuffle, look, search or reveal cards from libraries).
Players can't draw more than 1 card a turn.

Kill fetches, BS, Jaces, and any form of tutor and card advantage. Extremely flavorful for white too, would fit right in D&T shell.

Underworld Knight RB
Creature - Knight
Protection from white, first strike.
Whenever a player draw a card, he or she lose 1 life.
2/2

Kill delver in combat, can't be StP, has an underworld dream permanent effect on him.

Spin of Madness B
Instant
Target player discard a card. Fateseal 2.

Reverse Ponder for black. Since discard's much worse than draw, card is made instant. Give black some reason to be a base color for decks.

Some strong 1 mana "cantrips" for other colors:

Verdant Growth G
Sorcery
Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it into play tapped. Else, draw a card.

A sorta 1-mana explore, but give your opponent more information, put the land into play tapped, and require the revealed card to be a land instead than any card between hand + top card of library.

Scrap Ideas R
Instant
Each player discard a card at random, then draw a card.

Mix of disruption + it cycle itself if you have an empty hand.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Censorship 1W
Enchantment
Players can't manipulate libraries (players can't shuffle, look, search or reveal cards from libraries).
Players can't draw more than 1 card a turn.
This card is completely bonkers.

[Quasim0ff]

To continue the "reasons not to play blue":

Censorship 1W
Enchantment
Players can't manipulate libraries (players can't shuffle, look, search or reveal cards from libraries).
Players can't draw more than 1 card a turn.

This is a Chains on steroids. Completely busted, for two mana???

[ahg113]

To continue the "reasons not to play blue":

Censorship 1W
Enchantment
Players can't manipulate libraries (players can't shuffle, look, search or reveal cards from libraries).
Players can't draw more than 1 card a turn.

Underworld Knight RB
Creature - Knight
Protection from white, first strike.
Whenever a player draw a card, he or she lose 1 life.
2/2


Love the enchantment, might even give it flash. It's a specific hate card that can miss multiple "fair" decks. That it hates blue and combo isn't a reason it shouldn't be printed/conceived. It also misses cards like Ponder or Bob, so there's wiggle room for creative deck builders.

Like the Underworld Knight, would want something like haste included. Just a lil edge to make it over the top. Allowing it to hit the turn it came into play, or if it were a deathtouch included, slightly higher power. As written, it looks like an uncommon, I'd be interested to see it as a rare. Well done though.

[rufus]

To continue the "reasons not to play blue":

Censorship 1W
Enchantment
Players can't manipulate libraries (players can't shuffle, look, search or reveal cards from libraries).
Players can't draw more than 1 card a turn

....

"Can't manipulate libraries" is ill-defined. For example, if someone tries to search their library under Aven Mindcensor and this, what happens? Or if someone tries to use Noxious Revival, or Scroll Rack or Mirror of Fate and does Shared Fate work and what about dredge...



Instant
Target player discard a card. Fateseal 2.

Reverse Ponder for black. Since discard's much worse than draw, card is made instant. Give black some reason to be a base color for decks.


Black doesn't get instant-speed discard any more. That's been moved to blue's part of the color pie with cards like Vendillion Clique. More seriously, instant speed discard cast during the draw step is obnoxious.

[Cire]

Blood Bazaar 2B
Enchantment M
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player reveals that card. If it is a non-land card exile it. Each player may then bid life, with the player that would have drawn the card starting the bidding with a bid of any number. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid and places the exiled card into his or her hand.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

He should place it in front of him face up able to play the card. I don't think a player is able to put another player's card into his hand. Other than that, I like it.

[Quasim0ff]

Blood Bazaar 2B
Enchantment M
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player reveals that card. If it is a non-land card exile it. Each player may then bid life, with the player that would have drawn the card starting the bidding with a bid of any number. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid and places the exiled card into his or her hand.
that seems extremely fun for commander. :)

[Cire]

He should place it in front of him face up able to play the card. I don't think a player is able to put another player's card into his hand. Other than that, I like it.

Ah yes. . .

fixed:

Blood Bazaar 2B
Enchantment M
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player reveals that card. If it is a non-land card exile it. Each player may then bid life, with the player that would have drawn the card starting the bidding with a bid of any number. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid. Player's may cast cards exiled by Blood Bazaar as if they were in their hand if they had won the bid for that card.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

When we're at it, lets try more near-Un cards... :-D

Hallucinations :1::u::b:
Enchantment - Aura

Enchant player

Enchanted player's creatures
are Illusions and have flying.
Cards in enchanted player's
graveyard can't change zones.
Enchanted player's library
can't be enchanted.

[Sloshthedark]

When we're at it, lets try more near-Un cards... :-D

Hallucinations :1::u::b:
Enchantment - Aura

Enchant player

Enchanted player's creatures
are Illusions and have flying.
Cards in enchanted player's
graveyard can't change zones.
Enchanted player's library
can't be enchanted.


whatabout

Hallucinations ?:u:

Enchant World

All permanents except for basic lands are Illusions and gain - Whenever X becomes a target of a spell or ability sacrifice X

"At least you gain one certainty once you hit the ground..."

[Bed Decks Palyer]

That's too elegant... :-D

But I like it! Skulking Ghost world? Exactly what we needed... Now, where are my Erhnam Djinns?

[ahg113]

instant speed discard cast during the draw step is obnoxious.

Obnoxious is very subjective. I find counterspells obnoxious. Critiques like this are not helpful as they are easily dismissed.

Noted about V. Clique, reckon that's a mistake though along the lines of :u: can do anything- magic! Instant speed discard that is not targeted should be fine, draw step or not. Adds "decision trees" and "interaction", those are good things right?

[rufus]

Ah yes. . .

fixed:

Blood Bazaar 2B
Enchantment M
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player reveals that card. If it is a non-land card exile it. Each player may then bid life, with the player that would have drawn the card starting the bidding with a bid of any number. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid. Player's may cast cards exiled by Blood Bazaar as if they were in their hand if they had won the bid for that card.

I think templating it this way would be cleaner:


If a player would draw a card, that player exiles that card instead. If a land card is exiled this way, its owner puts that card into his or her hand. ...

As it stands, I'm not sure what happens if a land card is revealed.

An alternative auction format might also be easier to describe ... and bloodier.


Each player, in turn order may pay 1 life or pass until all players have passed after the last time life was paid this way. The last player to pay life for a card this way may play that card as if it were in his or her hand.

[rufus]

Obnoxious is very subjective. I find counterspells obnoxious. Critiques like this are not helpful as they are easily dismissed.

Noted about V. Clique, reckon that's a mistake though along the lines of :u: can do anything- magic! Instant speed discard that is not targeted should be fine, draw step or not. Adds "decision trees" and "interaction", those are good things right?

Sorry, I should have been clearer:

Instant speed discard effects are (at least historically) unfriendly to new players both in terms of intrinsic mechanics, and because they can cause timing confusion - especially when cast during the draw step. Even if the rules would accommodate it pretty well, WoTC has avoided instant speed pure discard disruption for longer than it's hated on land destruction, so I don't think they'd print the card.

[tescrin]

Ah yes. . .

fixed:

Blood Bazaar 2B
Enchantment M
Whenever a player would draw a card, that player reveals that card. If it is a non-land card exile it. Each player may then bid life, with the player that would have drawn the card starting the bidding with a bid of any number. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid. Player's may cast cards exiled by Blood Bazaar as if they were in their hand if they had won the bid for that card.

How about:

Whenever a player would draw a card, exile it instead. If it's a land card, return it to it's owner's hand. You may play non-land cards exiled by Blood Bazaar.

Pay 1 Life: Gain control of Blood Bazaar. Any player may use this ability.


All of the same effects; a little goofy, but much easier to grok and read. Can even fit in flavor text.

[rufus]

How about:

Whenever a player would draw a card, exile it instead. If it's a land card, return it to it's owner's hand. You may play non-land cards exiled by Blood Bazaar.

Pay 1 Life: Gain control of Blood Bazaar. Any player may use this ability.


All of the same effects; a little goofy, but much easier to grok and read. Can even fit in flavor text.

Actually, this one gives the player who currently controls it the ability to cast any of the cards that have been exiled.

[Barook]

How about an Ancient Stirrings variant?

Divine Gift :w:
Sorcery
Look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a white creature, equipment or Plains card from among them and put it into your hand. Then put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[Cire]

How about an Ancient Stirrings variant?

Divine Gift :w:
Sorcery
Look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a white creature, equipment or Plains card from among them and put it into your hand. Then put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

Maybe just make it "an aura or equipment card" - more narrow but seems more flavorful?

[Barook]

Maybe just make it "an aura or equipment card" - more narrow but seems more flavorful?
That would be terribly narrow.

[Cire]

Just a card off the top of my head. . . .

Inequity of Genius XUB
Sorcery U
Choose one

Each player with X or less cards in their hand, draws X cards.
Each player with X or more cards in their hand, discards X cards.

[Slag]

I was thinking about engine cards outside of blue/black:

Something Vitae Something Oracle {1 w/g}
Kithkin druid

At the beginning of each end step, draw a card if you gained one or more life this turn.

1/1

[TsumiBand]

I was thinking about engine cards outside of blue/black:

Something Vitae Something Oracle {1 w/g}
Kithkin druid

At the beginning of each end step, draw a card if you gained one or more life this turn.

1/1

It's a subtle gripe, but if you're going to create a card that is 'outside' a Blue deck, don't make it so bloody easy to cast :D :1::wg: is a really soft casting cost and there are so many UG or UW lists that would be able to just adopt this card without really flinching. Even just changing it to :wg::wg: would make it harder to cast with Islands and would probably let you give it +1/+1 or a relevant combat ability or something.

[Slag]

It's a subtle gripe, but if you're going to create a card that is 'outside' a Blue deck, don't make it so bloody easy to cast :D :1::wg: is a really soft casting cost and there are so many UG or UW lists that would be able to just adopt this card without really flinching. Even just changing it to :wg::wg: would make it harder to cast with Islands and would probably let you give it +1/+1 or a relevant combat ability or something.

A blue deck appropriating a card clearly made to boost the effectiveness of an underused color, and subsequently thumbing its nose at the entire game of Magic? Surely, you are not speaking of legacy. Maybe something more like a reverse Sygg, River Cutthroat?

Some Proper Name Comma Some Job Title or Nickname :wg::wg:
Legendary Druid

At the beginning of each end step, if you gained one or more life this turn, draw a card

1/3

At the very least, it helps against punishing fire.

[Cire]

sort of weak isn't it?

would prefer something like

NAME (W/G)(W/G)
Creature
Lifelink
At the beginning of each end step, if you gained life this turn reveal the top card of your library. If it's an artifact card place it into your graveyard. Otherwise place it into your hand.
2/2

Idk - something that's like draw - but not :rolleyes:

[testing32]

A red way to answer True-Name.

RR
Instant
Damage cannot be prevented this turn.
Do 1 damage to all creatures.

[Malakai]

Fairly simple. How much mana would you be willing to pay for this card and still play it in your legacy deck.

Sensei's Super Divining Top
Artifact
1: Look at the top three cards of your library and arrange them in any order. You may activate this ability while this card is on the stack or the battlefield.
1, tap: Draw a card, then place this card on top of your library.


Eh? EH?

[rufus]

How broken is this:

:b:
Instant
You control all players while target spell controlled by an opponent resolves

[HdH_Cthulhu]

How broken is this:

:b:
Instant
You control all players while target spell controlled by an opponent resolves

Prolly not so if it resolves it resolves no one has priority... I mean its ok vs cabal therapy or tutors but you cant change a target or something! Fun vs ad nauseam!

OK cuz I like Goblins:

R
Goblin, Goblin Welder

T, Sacrifice a Goblin: Return target Goblin from your graveyard to the Battlefield
1/1

R
Goblin Innkeeper

T: Exile another Goblin, Return it into play tapped at the beginning of the next turn.
1/1

Just to toy around with EtB triggers!

[Barook]

I was thinking how to increase the draw quality for nonblue decks in Eternal formats. So the basic idea was this:


Mind Map :1:
Artifact
Tap: Scry 1.

Alot stronger than Crystal Ball and Witches' Eye, but then again, this would be aimed at Legacy (and Vintage). However, the basic design has some issues:

- it's card disadvantage with no ability to compensate like Top or Sylvan Library, for a mere card filter
- if it's good enough, blue decks would run it as well
- going into most decks without a drawback isn't desirable

Which led me to this:

Mind Map :1:
Artifact
Spells and abilities can't cause players to draw cards.
Tap: Scry 1.

This kills three birds with one stone. It doesn't automatically go into every deck (especially blue ones), it nerfes cantrip and other broken cards like Griselbrand, and it helps fixing the draws of nonblue decks.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Vovdenpale Sentry :g:
Creature - Dryad
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Vovdenpale Sentry.
0/2
They guard the last forest in the world.

Melancholic Sovereign :w::g:
Creature - Human Noble
When Melancholic Sovereign dies, search your library for a legendary permanent, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
2/2
Her beauty inspired the kingdom.

[Gheizen64]

Why was this thread moved lol?

Anyway, to continue on the "fix going second/first" and promote monocolor:

Unluckyman Mountain
Land
When Unluckyman Mountain ETB, if you control no other permanents and you have 7 cards in your hand, deal 3 damage to your opponent.
T, pay 1 life: add R to your mana pool

Forest would search another forest from deck and add to your hand, island would scry 2, black would make opponent discard 1 or fateseal 2, plain would give you a 2/1.

As for making a red varaint of D&T Viable, i think this could do it:

Fire Seer 1R
Creature - Human Wizard
When it ETB, add RR to your mana pool.
2/1

[rufus]

Prolly not so if it resolves it resolves no one has priority... I mean its ok vs cabal therapy or tutors but you cant change a target or something! Fun vs ad nauseam!

I don't understand what the priority issue is.

Th effect is also potentially useful vs card selection cards such as Brainstorm and Dig Through Time, tutor-likes such as Natural Order or Lim-Dul's Vault, choice cards like True Name Nemesis or Painter's Servant, and 'will of the council' voting cards.

[Nonex]

Hydroplasm X:6::ub::ub:
Creature - Ooze Shapeshifter
Flash
Hydroplasm costs twice X less to cast.
When Hydroplasm enters the battlefield, counter target spell with converted mana cost X. If that spell is countered this way, put X +1/+0 counters on Hydroplasm and draw X cards.
0/1

Is it me, or is there no mana icon for X?

[Kanti]

Something simple that I'd like;

Blue Bounce Spell x32
XUU
Return target non-land permant with converted mana-cost 3 or less to it's owners hand
Scry X, then draw a card

Or I'd like Repeal to be errata'd to X or less.

[Barook]

Since there was discussion about how the new Surrak doesn't fight anything despite that being his main appeal, I wonder how a good fight creature would look like. How about this:



Nemesis Viper :1::g::g:
Creature - Snake
Nemesis Viper can't be countered.
Deathtouch
When Nemesis Viper enters the battlefield, you may have it fight target creature you don’t control.
2/3

[Kanti]

I like it, though I would make it a 1/3.

[Barook]

I like it, though I would make it a 1/3.
I considered that, but that would make it worthless as a beater and thus kinda meh.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Guardian of the Conclave :g::w:
Creature - Human Shaman
Flash
When Guardian of the Conclave enters the battlefield, choose one:
* You gain hexproof until end of turn.
* Until end of turn, spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents.
2/2

[Barook]

How about this:

Protector of Mortality :w::w:
Creature - Human Knight
First strike
Creatures you control can't leave the battlefield unless they die.
"Till death do us part."
2/2

Protects your creatures from StP, Terminus, Karakas and bounce, among other things. Also combines neatly with RiP or Samurai of the Pale Curtain for an invincible army.


Guardian of the Conclave :g::w:
Creature - Human Shaman
Flash
When Guardian of the Conclave enters the battlefield, choose one:
* You gain hexproof until end of turn.
* Until end of turn, spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents.
2/2
That's a pretty nifty design.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Something simple that I'd like;

Blue Bounce Spell x32
XUU
Return target non-land permant with converted mana-cost 3 or less to it's owners hand
Scry X, then draw a card

Or I'd like Repeal to be errata'd to X or less.

should be with mana-cost X or less...

[Kanti]

I thought about that, but woudn't it be a bit strong then? 3-or-less still gets rid of Delver, Cbalance, Chalice, and other important things. Actually, thinking twice, I'd prefer it not to say X or less and have X just determine scry as the card can bounce a Delver on turn 2 as it stands, where if it was X or less you would have to have 3 mana to bounce a 1 mana permanent, 4 mana for a 2 mana, 5 for a 3, etc, etc.

[Kagehisa]

How about a Pyroblast with red phyrexian mana à la Mental Mistep?

[MGB]

I would soil my pants with joy if they ever printed something like this:

Order of the Holy Chalice
Legendary Human Soldier
:w::w:

Whenever a player casts a spell with converted mana cost 1, counter that spell.

2/1

[Bosque]

Or to be more in keeping with white, exile instead of counter. Similar effect, but less blue.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Not going to happen... White taxes; so maybe 1cc spells cost 3? idk...

[TsumiBand]

For whatever reason this reminds me of a card I used to think was the shit, I thought of it like 10 years ago and in retrospect it's probably not on the curve at all, but w/e

---
Defiant Truthspeaker :w:

Creature - Human Rebel

When -this- enters the battlefield, choose a color.

Spells of the chosen color cost 1 more to cast.

1/1

Her presence is taxing.

---
I originally thought it'd be cool to put it in the Rebel chain just because, like, why not - it was an infamous tribe at the time and was trying to be relevant in Vintage with stuff like Standstill and blue counters and shit, and it wasn't doing a real great job of it.

After seeing Thalia be a real thing, I have to wonder if the ability would actually be okay if it were templated a little differently like 'noncreature spells of the chosen color' or whatever. It makes it less exciting for Standard but gets better as it trickles down through Eternal formats, which is usually what the more interesting printings as of late do, so. I dunno.

I could also see it being a bear to play around with a nut-draw or like, being able to regularly play it turn 1/turn 2 with Ramosian Sargeant and Chrome Mox/Ancient Tombs/other Sol lands. So it is probably fundamentally unable to stand in its current incarnation.

[sdematt]

What about something focusing on manipulation? (either looking at the top cards of your Library or drawing them)

Haterade Creature - BB

Flash

If a player would manipulate the top cards of his or her library, that player loses 1 life for each card manipulated.

1/1

Thoughts? Basically unsplashable in any blue deck, and hits Top and all the cantrips, as well as Library and Arena. Funnily, it plays well with Confidant...

-Matt

[iamajellydonut]

You're going to have to define "manipulate" a liiittle bit better. And by a "liiiittle" bit better, I mean define it at all in the slightest. Because, by your constituted outline, both players would be dead within about three turns of it being in play regardless of the archetype.

[Barook]

Thalia's Familiar :w:
Legendary Creature - Bird
Flying
Instant and sorcery spells cost :1: more to play.
1/1

@TsumiBand: At least make it legendary. This could be pretty stupid on the play in multiples.

@sdematt: The main issue I see here is defining "manipulate" in game terms. Isn't it also a triggered ability, thus shouldn't it be "Whenever" instead of if? Plus, make it at least a 2 power creature. 1 power is abyssal.

Here's my take on it:

Faust :b::b:
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
Whenever a player looks at a top card of his or her library, reveals a card from his or her library or draws an extra card, that player loses 1 life.
2/1

[Ace/Homebrew]

Are there any rules or formatting nightmares that would make this card impossible?

Magus of the Void XX
Artifact Creature
Magus of the Void enters the battlefield with X charge counters on it.
Whenever a player casts a spell with converted mana cost equal to the number of charge counters on Magus of the Void, counter that spell.
Magus of the Void's power and toughness are equal to the number of charge counters on it.
*/*

[iamajellydonut]

I mean, aside from being a crappy Chalice (hello, 1/1 or 0/0), there's no reason it wouldn't fit within the text box.

[Barook]

Are there any rules or formatting nightmares that would make this card impossible?

Magus of the Void XX
Artifact Creature
Magus of the Void enters the battlefield with X charge counters on it.
Whenever a player casts a spell with converted mana cost equal to the number of charge counters on Magus of the Void, counter that spell.
Magus of the Void's power and toughness are equal to the number of charge counters on it.
*/*
Just use +1/+1-counters instead of charge counters. Also allows for more interesting interactions with alot of cards.

[Gheizen64]

Some more consistency spells for non-blue colors:

Wander the known 1G
Instant
Search your library for a basic land, reveal it, and add it to your hand. Then, if you control at least one basic land of the same type, draw a card.
Sometimes, old places hides the biggest discoveries.


Rustle the tombs 1B
Instant
Put target artifact or creature from a graveyard into your hand. Draw a card.
Trinket or corpses, whatever you can find it's always useful.

Fiery Visions 1R
Sorcery
Exile the top card of your library. An opponent may take 3 damage from Fiery Visions. If he don't, exile the top card of your library again.
Until the end of turn, you may play the exiled cards.
It's easy to use fire as a weapon. It's way harder to use it as a tool of knowledge.

Humble Squire 1W
Creature - Human Squire
Flash
When Humble Squire ETB, search your library for a human creature, reveal it, and add it to your hand.
I bring news of my lord.
1/2

The green card is intended as a promoter of both the basic land theme of green, and the mana fixingtheme. Basically draw 2 for 1G, but one is a basic land and you have to play a consistent number of basic lands to make it efficient. 1 less mana than Krosan Tusker which however is uncounterable and has an option to play it as a creature, without the basic land requirement.

The black card is essentially a draw 2 that give you some control over what you draw in the right deck, and negate your opponent recursion options. Gives you some control on the things Black should be more adept at controlling, the graveyard. Not playable in every deck, but only in some metagames where reanimating strategies are at least present, and returning creatures from your graveyard isn't terrible.

Red card is a bit tricky. While it may look as a "draw 1, deal 3 damage", or, cycling Lava Spike for 1R, in reality it can be much worse. You can't play it on 2 lands for example, because your opponent will just give you 2 cards which u can't play. So it's a card that has to be played on very low curves, and in decks that want to kill your opponent fast with damage. So, burn, and maybe red combo. It's a punisher card, but actually good.

The white card is a Stoneforge mystic for human creatures. Without the option to actually cheat them into play, but still. A 1/2 creature tutor for 1W still give you a lot of versatility. KotR, Thalia, and lots of good utility/hate creatures can be fetched with this. Human is a huge tribe.

Also, again, some lands to combat flooding/screw/going 2nd

Gaea's Library
Land
T: add 1 to your mana pool
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may reveal three or more basic land from your hand. If you do, draw a card.

Flooded with basic lands isn't that bad with this.

The Coin 3
Artifact
If you started second this game, the Coin cost 3 less to play.
Tap, sacrifice: add 1 of any color to your mana pool and draw a card.

Lotus petal + cycle if you start second, essentially 2 mana cycler if you went first. Sideboard only card probably, but still extremely good.

[sdematt]

Thalia's Familiar :w:
Legendary Creature - Bird
Flying
Instant and sorcery spells cost :1: more to play.
1/1

@TsumiBand: At least make it legendary. This could be pretty stupid on the play in multiples.

@sdematt: The main issue I see here is defining "manipulate" in game terms. Isn't it also a triggered ability, thus shouldn't it be "Whenever" instead of if? Plus, make it at least a 2 power creature. 1 power is abyssal.

Here's my take on it:

Faust :b::b:
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
Whenever a player looks at a top card of his or her library, reveals a card from his or her library or draws an extra card, that player loses 1 life.
2/1

Exactly, manipulate did need a definition. In my mind, this is what it was :P

-Matt

[Barook]

@Gheizen64: CA cards normally cost at least 3 mana nowadays.

Gaea's Library would be interesting with Land Tax.

[apple713]

@Gheizen64: CA cards normally cost at least 3 mana nowadays.

Gaea's Library would be interesting with Land Tax.

i could see that being printed if it required a tap instead of a trigger.

[Chatto]

Some more consistency spells for non-blue colors:

(...)

Gaea's Library
Land
T: add 1 to your mana pool
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may reveal three or more basic land from your hand. If you do, draw a card.

Flooded with basic lands isn't that bad with this.


i could see that being printed if it required a tap instead of a trigger.

This would be great, and indeed, it should be tap instead of a triggered ability. It also would be to powerful, even if you had to tap it.

[Dice_Box]

Yea, Fish could really use it. Maybe Nic Fit as well. Who else runs three basics total? Burn? Painter? Not to say it's not strong but when people talk about basics in Legacy I think about Fish first.

[Barook]

Thing is, don't you want to play your lands? I don't think the trade-off between choosing to play lands from your hand or not is very rewarding.

I believe it would be better to tie the ability to a minimum number of basics you have to control. Basically, this:


{further activation cost necessary for balance}, tap: Draw a card. Activate this ability only if you control X or more basic lands.

Think Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, but with a different drawback.

[Kanti]

Continous Knowledge
U
Draw a card
If Continous Knowledge would be exiled from your hand, or graveyard, you may draw a card.

Synergy with Snapcaster Mage, Dig through Time, and Force of Will. Only for hand or graveyard to rule out a potential Continous Knowledge+Surgical Extraction blowout for 4 cards. I don't think it's the most overpowered cantrip, but it is damn strong in the right shell. I would love to have this card :eek:.

[Gheizen64]

I made my Gaea's library work on trigger to avoid untap and multiple per-turn usages. And even with land tax or in a fish shell, it's still a colorless land that require 1-2 turns of setup to actually work. I'm pretty sure i'd be borderline playable, nothing much better.
To promote basics and combat flood/screw variance, maybe something like this is simpler and better:

LushLands
Land
When Lush Grounds ETB, you may discard a basic land from your hand. If you do, draw a card.
T: add 1 to your mana pool.

Extremely simple, and sort of a reverse-wasteland, in the sense that while waste punishes greed decks, this help non greedy decks that play many lands. Also has additional sinergy for discard and graveyard filling engines. Also, between wastes and this, even a monocolor deck can't run both easily.

[rufus]

Continous Knowledge
U
Draw a card
If Continous Knowledge would be exiled from your hand, or graveyard, you may draw a card.

Synergy with Snapcaster Mage, Dig through Time, and Force of Will. Only for hand or graveyard to rule out a potential Continous Knowledge+Surgical Extraction blowout for 4 cards. I don't think it's the most overpowered cantrip, but it is damn strong in the right shell. I would love to have this card :eek:.

It shouldn't work with flashback since the spell goes on the stack, and then exiles from there. It should probably also specify 'exiled face up' just to keep things clear. I have no idea how it would interact with Serum Powder.

IMO the card would be way too strong.

[rufus]

...
LushLands
Land
When Lush Grounds ETB, you may discard a basic land from your hand. If you do, draw a card.
T: add 1 to your mana pool.

Extremely simple, and sort of a reverse-wasteland, in the sense that while waste punishes greed decks, this help non greedy decks that play many lands. Also has additional synergy for discard and graveyard filling engines. Also, between wastes and this, even a monocolor deck can't run both easily.

Honestly, I think it would be just fine at once per turn, though that would make it very strong in limited.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Stifland - Land

T: add 1 to your mana pool.
T: sacrifice Stifland ~ Stifle

Prolly overpowered and dumb...

What drawback will make this fair?

[rufus]

Stifland - Land

T: add 1 to your mana pool.
T: sacrifice Stifland ~ Stifle

Prolly overpowered and dumb...

What drawback will make this fair?

I just checked with my buddy at R&D. He says you need to make it blue. :laugh:

More seriously, it's worse than Stifle in many ways, so I'm not sure why you think it's 'overpowered and dumb'.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I just checked with my buddy at R&D. He says you need to make it blue. :laugh:

More seriously, it's worse than Stifle in many ways, so I'm not sure why you think it's 'overpowered and dumb'.

Well its like a wasteland for fetchis + its a landslot that stifles, so shouldnt it be better than Stifle? Maybe even better than wasteland, stormdecks have hard times to deal with lands...
And lol i thoguht about makeing it U, T: ~Stifle
But ok its prolly very easy to play arround so its wrose than a normal Stifle!

[Finn]

I find myself wanting a stifle effect that has the pitch mechanic or trap mechanic to cast for free. My thinking is that red would find that attractive for anti combo and land destruction in one. Though I do not know how hard the stance is on denying red that ability.

[rufus]

I find myself wanting a stifle effect that has the pitch mechanic or trap mechanic to cast for free. My thinking is that red would find that attractive for anti combo and land destruction in one. Though I do not know how hard the stance is on denying red that ability.

How about copy instead of counter, since that's more central to red's portfolio.

Shock Front
:r::r::3:
Instant
You may exile a card from your hand at random rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
Copy target activated or triggered ability controlled by an opponent.

[Finn]

Seems to be in color, though it accomplishes neither of the effects I was looking for. Can't mess with fetchies and does not counter storm. Though that is a nifty toy. You get mana acceleration instead of land destruction and instead of countering the effects of Tendrils, you actually get to kill them with their own spell if I am seeing this correctly.

[rufus]

Seems to be in color, though it accomplishes neither of the effects I was looking for. Can't mess with fetchies and does not counter storm. Though that is a nifty toy. You get mana acceleration instead of land destruction and instead of countering the effects of Tendrils, you actually get to kill them with their own spell if I am seeing this correctly.

Yeah. I understand that hard counters are important for the game, but I tend to think that effective counters are more fun in practice.

[LOLWut]

A better version of Katabatic Winds that keeps the flavor would be cool. Or, a different idea and flavor but a similar effect on flyers.

[Gheizen64]

Something like Tunnel Ignus or smth?

Unstable Tunnel 2RR
Instant
Target player sacrifice a land. Unstable Tunnel can't be countered.
If a land went into a graveyard from anywhere this turn, you may play Unstable Tunnel for R.

Good against fetches and with wastes. Cost reduction to R to avoid easy chains with Waste-> triple tunnel for 0.

A fun "red" effect.

Chaos of Knowledge RR
Enchantment
If a player would search his library, he draw a card instead.

Basically turn all fetches and tutors into cantrips. It also double as deck thinning for you when you don't need lands anymore. Not sure how actually good the effect is, but it seems a pretty fun fetch hoser. Also hose infernal tutors, KotR, SFM, intuition. Would hose an eventual unbanned survival.

[rufus]

Something like Tunnel Ignus or smth?

Unstable Tunnel 2RR
Instant
Target player sacrifice a land. Unstable Tunnel can't be countered.
If a land went into a graveyard from anywhere this turn, you may play Unstable Tunnel for R.

Good against fetches and with wastes. Cost reduction to R to avoid easy chains with Waste-> triple tunnel for 0.

This is much too strong, especially considering your own fetchlands will allow the conditional cost.



Chaos of Knowledge RR
Enchantment
If a player would search his or her own library, he or she draws a card instead

It would be a little unclear how it works with cards like Tithe and "search target player's library" cards like Extract. There's some interesting interaction with other cards like Maralen of the Mornsong.

[Gheizen64]

This is much too strong, especially considering your own fetchlands will allow the conditional cost.


Right. I guess "if your opponent sacrificed a land this turn" may be a better conditional? Simpler to understand and work only against fetches, not with your own wastes.

[rufus]

Right. I guess "if your opponent sacrificed a land this turn" may be a better conditional? Simpler to understand and work only against fetches, not with your own wastes.

Definitely better; it still seems too strong to me, but it's not so clear anymore. (WotC will not be printing strong land destruction like that any time soon.) There are many ways to force people to sac lands like Tectonic Break,Smallpox, Devastating Dreams, or Smokestack and conditional ones like Akki Blizzard Herder, Crack the Earth and your proposed card.

[Barook]

What could be maindeckable combo disruption for non-blue colors that fits into the color pie?

For white, I'm think about something like this:

Pitch Thalia :1::w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay Pitch Thalia’s mana cost.
Flash
Vigilance
Noncreature spells cost :1: more to cast.
1/3

[Sloshthedark]

What could be maindeckable combo disruption for non-blue colors that fits into the color pie?

For white, I'm think about something like this:

Pitch Thalia :1::w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay Pitch Thalia’s mana cost.
Flash
Vigilance
Noncreature spells cost :1: more to cast.
1/3

lol... you mean very narrow to the point of stupid, you really hate storm don't you? =D or cantrips... just wondering why it isn't x/4 for 4

would make sense if it died and left until the end of turn fx

[Raystar]

What could be maindeckable combo disruption for non-blue colors that fits into the color pie?

For white, I'm think about something like this:

Pitch Thalia :1::w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay Pitch Thalia’s mana cost.
Flash
Vigilance
Noncreature spells cost :1: more to cast.
1/3

That would actually be pretty cool....

[Sloshthedark]

That would actually be pretty cool....

why would't you play it T0 every single time you can? it's like a vanguard card

[Barook]

lol... you mean very narrow to the point of stupid, you really hate storm don't you? =D or cantrips...
Well then, make a more fitting card that is

a) maindeckable
b) white to the core and doesn't play well with blue decks
c) T0 combo hate

Besides, how is cantrip hate a bad thing in a format absolutely dominated by cantrips? :eyebrow:


just wondering why it isn't x/4 for 4
For reference: Vine Dryad

I was thinking about 2/2 first strike, but that would have been too strong of a combat trick, which would have missed the main selling point disruption. 1 power because it shouldn't be an aggressive clock by itself. 3 toughness, so it can go into combat with 2/X creatures and survive common sweepers to force answer diversity (like AD) instead of catch-alls like Massacre.

[Quasim0ff]

What could be maindeckable combo disruption for non-blue colors that fits into the color pie?

For white, I'm think about something like this:

Pitch Thalia :1::w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay Pitch Thalia’s mana cost.
Flash
Vigilance
Noncreature spells cost :1: more to cast.
1/3
That'd be retarded overpowered, I think...

Very cool concept, anyhow.

[rufus]

What could be maindeckable combo disruption for non-blue colors that fits into the color pie?

For white, I'm think about something like this:

Pitch Thalia :1::w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay Pitch Thalia’s mana cost.
...
1/3

Instead of flash, I would prefer something like "If ~ is in your opening hand, you may exile a white card from your hand to put it into play before the game starts." I also think the base casting cost is too low considering that it gives virtual card advantage.

Alternatively, how about a single shot version:



:1::w::w:
Creature - Human Monk
When ~ enters the battlefield, your opponents may not cast spells this turn.
Flash
You may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
1/3



Here's a fun idea, even if it is *way* too strong:



BBB
~
Instant
Pay half your life rounded up. End the turn.
You may skip your next turn rather than pay ~'s mana cost.


Some others...



:r::r::3:
~
Instant
Copy target activated or triggered ability an opponent controls.
You may exile a red card from your hand rather than pay ~'s mana cost.




0
~
Instant
~ is green.
Counter target non-creature spell. That spell's controller puts two X/X
green elemental creature tokens into play under his or her control where X
is the countered spell's mana cost.




R
Enchantment
Flash
Exile a card from your hand at random: Counter target spell. Any player may activate this ability.




BBB
Instant
You control target player while target spell or ability that player controls resolves.
You may exile all permanents you control and pay half your life rounded up, rather than pay ~'s mana cost.

[Barook]

Instead of flash, I would prefer something like "If ~ is in your opening hand, you may exile a white card from your hand to put it into play before the game starts." I also think the base casting cost is too low considering that it gives virtual card advantage.
That would work, too, making it work a bit like a Leyline. Although that might be even stronger since they can't counter it and the flash part matters less and less the longer the game goes, because its stats aren't even that great.

It also doesn't generate virtual card advantage (since all spells are all castable with enough mana, unlike stuff like Chalice), it merely creates a tempo advantage, while you suffer from actual card disadvantage. Increasing the CC would probably make it too janky since all the common removal spells still deal with it.

[rufus]

That would work, too, making it work a bit like a Leyline. Although that might be even stronger since they can't counter it and the flash part matters less and less the longer the game goes, because its stats aren't even that great. ...

The flash version has much better synergy with, and more vulnerability to 'the blue shell' because it works better with cantrips and because it is more counterable.

[iGrok]

Well, I posted it in the B/R thread, I should probably post it here.

I think blue should have better card selection than the other colors, but I think right now it's too much better. So I tried to come up with some cards that would work for other colors.

My criteria were:
1) Cards must not be blue.
2) Cards must be 1cmc. Additional costs are acceptable, but only 1 mana.
3) Cards must synergize with non-blue shells better than the blue cantrip shell.

Criteria #3 can be difficult to quantify, but looking at what the cantrip shell is used for will help. Blue uses cantrips to find lands, threats, or counters, depending on what is needed at the time. If it does not find what it needs, it usually finds another cantrip to chain into what it wants. The key thing I focused on is that blue wants its cantrips to be able to find instants and sorceries, such as Bolt, Show and Tell, Force of Will, and other cantrips.

The first card that immediately came to mind was Grisly Salvage. This is exactly the kind of card I want Black/Green to have access to, but it breaks one of my criteria. I've always thought it was overcosted anyways, so here's what I came up with:

Sift the Muck :bg:
Instant
Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a creature or land card from among them into your hand. Put the rest into your graveyard.

I love Salvage-style digging, although with Delve, this card may be a bit too strong (might need to come down to 3 cards, or be a sorcery, or both!). As written, this curves nicely into a turn 2 Tasigur if you pitch all the cards, or feeds your Tarmogoyf. But most importantly, it can't find counterspells, additional cantrips, or most combo pieces.

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One for Me :w:
Sorcery
Each player reveals the top three cards of their library. You may put a permanent you revealed this way into your hand. Then, each player may put a permanent which shares a type with yours into their hand. Each player puts all other cards revealed this way onto the bottom of their library in any order.

Its a little wordy, but it works. Playing off of White's "Some are more equal than others" theme, I really like how this card provides multiple options during resolution. Do you take a less powerful card because it keeps your opponent from drawing one or not? And that's assuming they even do draw a card with matching types.

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This one is templated horribly, but I couldn't think of a good way to do it :/

Creative Gamble :r:
Instant
Look at the top 7 cards of your library. You may reveal a card which matches a card on the stack, then put that card into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

Feels pretty Red, with the copy ability. Assuming you are copying a spell you play 4 of, you've got slightly more than 1/3 chance to hit. Not great, but meh, whatcha gonna do?

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Also, unrelated and just for fun, the return of Rebound prompted this one:

Double Rainbow X:u::r::g:
Instant
Cascade
Rebound

Now that's pretty fun :)

[rufus]

...

One for Me :w:
Sorcery
Each player reveals the top three cards of their library. ...

Just cleaning up the template:


Each player exiles the top three cards of his or her library.

If you revealed any permanent cards this way you may put one of those cards into your hand.
Any player who exiled cards that share a card type with the card that you put into your hand may put one of those cards into his or her hand.

Each player puts all cards he or she exiled this way on the bottom of his or her library in an order of his or her choice.




Creative Gamble :r:
Instant
Look at the top 7 cards of your library. You may reveal a card which matches a card on the stack, then put that card into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

Feels pretty Red, with the copy ability. Assuming you are copying a spell you play 4 of, you've got slightly more than 1/3 chance to hit. Not great, but meh, whatcha gonna do?

"matches a card on the stack" should probably be "shares a card type with a spell". I think "instant or sorcery" might be a better fit since it's red, and it avoids the 'can I search for an instant on an empty stack?" rules question. Also, this is OP.



Double Rainbow X:u::r::g:
Instant
Cascade
Rebound

Now that's pretty fun :)
Needs "Ripple" :tongue:

[iGrok]

"matches a card on the stack" should probably be "shares a card type with a spell". I think "instant or sorcery" might be a better fit since it's red, and it avoids the 'can I search for an instant on an empty stack?" rules question.
Yeah, it was definitely the weakest of the three. Honestly I only had the first two and felt like I should suggest a red one also. I don't think red actually needs cantrips though.


Needs "Ripple" :tongue:
Hahaha

As far as the white template goes, the only thing that was wrong with my templating was the third sentence, which should read:
Then, each player may put a card they revealed which shares a type with your card into their hand.
I forgot to specify that they can only put their own cards into their hands xD.

[Gheizen64]

Some "red" effects:

Chaotic Visions R
Enchantment
Whenever a player would draw a card, he discard a card at random then draw a card instead.

Sinergize with the exile-draw red has, and things like cloister.

Fuck you delver 2.0:

Sky thunderbolt R
Instant
Deal 2 damage to target creature with flying and to target player.

Fuck Elves and D&T with this mini-wildfire:

Searing Sands RR
Sorcery
Each player sacrifice a non-basic land, then deal 1 damage to all creature and players.

Some big lategame spells for red:

Volcanic Explosion 1RRR
Sorcery
Deal 4 damage to target player. That player sacrifice a land and a creature he or she control.

Some artifacts:

Fuck storm:

Inertia Sphere 1
Artifact
Spells cost 1 more to play except the first spell each turn by each player.

Monolith that help you if you went second:

Jade monolith 0
Artifact
Jade monolith ETB tapped unless you control no other permanents and your opponent control at least 1 permanent.
Mox Gem doesn't untap during your untap step.
2: untap Mox Gem.
T: add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool.

And a very old design by me, another "fair" moxen:

Null Gem 0
Artifact
Counter all spell you control.
T: add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool. Spells that used this mana can't be countered (boseiju wording i can't remember)

Basically a play 1 spell per turn mox, and no other 0 mana spell or pitch spells either. I think it would still be used in some decks like D&T and fair decks in general as a singleton.