Stifle + Animate Dead

[spiderfreak]

can u stifle Animate Dead and / or Dance of the Dead

[Van Phanel]

can u stifle Animate Dead and / or Dance of the Dead

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Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Animate Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Animate Dead." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach Animate Dead to it. When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

The "when" indicates a triggered ability that can be countered with Stifle. In that case your opponent will have an Animate Dead that enchants the creature card he wanted to return (which has no effect).

[tivadar]

This oughta make for some fun. In response to the triggered ability, one could disenchant animate dead. In that case, the creature never would enter the battlefield. I'm assuming you could also stifle the leaves play ability to have the creature remain.

Finally, really WotC??? Couldn't we find some way to make the ruling on this card a bit less than ridiculous? Shake, you think we'd have this figured out by now. I know that a while back people discovered the whole "oh look, pro:black means I get a creature with no enchantment!" thing. There has to be some way to make this have it's intended effect.

[Van Phanel]

This oughta make for some fun. In response to the triggered ability, one could disenchant animate dead. In that case, the creature never would enter the battlefield. I'm assuming you could also stifle the leaves play ability to have the creature remain.

Correct and correct.


Finally, really WotC??? Couldn't we find some way to make the ruling on this card a bit less than ridiculous? Shake, you think we'd have this figured out by now. I know that a while back people discovered the whole "oh look, pro:black means I get a creature with no enchantment!" thing. There has to be some way to make this have it's intended effect.

The current oracle text means that a creature with protection from black will end up in the graveyard, like this:

Animate Dead becomes an Enchant Creature and tries to attach itself to the creature but it can't as that would be illegal. That means it is an Enchant Creature that's not enchanting anything. That in turn means Animate Dead is put into the graveyard by state-based effects. Then the final clause triggers leading to the creature being sacrificed.

[Maveric78f]

So you can still stifle Animate Dead to keep White Akroma reanimated?

[Van Phanel]

Yes you can do that by Stifling the "When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield"-trigger.

[spiderfreak]

The "when" indicates a triggered ability that can be countered with Stifle. In that case your opponent will have an Animate Dead that enchants the creature card he wanted to return (which has no effect).

So I can Stifle the Animate Dead and they still get the creature (not cool) but ok
thank you

[heroicraptor]

So I can Stifle the Animate Dead and they still get the creature (not cool) but ok
thank you

That makes no sense. The trigger is what brings the creature back onto the battlefield.

[spiderfreak]

That makes no sense. The trigger is what brings the creature back onto the battlefield.

that's what I was thinking but I guess I was wrong.

[parallax]

Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Animate Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Animate Dead." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach Animate Dead to it. When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

Animate Dead has two triggered abilities, guys. You can Stifle the second one to keep the creature in play.

[Van Phanel]

that's what I was thinking but I guess I was wrong.

You just misunderstood me:

If the "return-a-creature"-trigger is Stifled, the creature does not return to play. Your opponent is then stuck with an Animate Dead enchanting a creature card in their graveyard. That creature card is not returned to play (remember: the oracle text of Animate Dead says that it is a "Enchant creature card in a graveyard").

[freakish777]

You just misunderstood me:

If the "return-a-creature"-trigger is Stifled, the creature does not return to play. Your opponent is then stuck with an Animate Dead enchanting a creature card in their graveyard. That creature card is not returned to play (remember: the oracle text of Animate Dead says that it is a "Enchant creature card in a graveyard").

Which is relevant in that Tarmogoyf doesn't get bigger (because the Enchantment is still in play as opposed to going to the graveyard).

As an opponent you could Stifle the Comes into play trigger to ensure they don't get a creature. As the player playing it, you could Stifle the leaves play trigger to ensure you keep your Pro Black Akroma (which is bad, you're now using 3 cards to get Akroma, Entomb + Animate Dead + Stifle).

[spiderfreak]

You just misunderstood me:

If the "return-a-creature"-trigger is Stifled, the creature does not return to play. Your opponent is then stuck with an Animate Dead enchanting a creature card in their graveyard. That creature card is not returned to play (remember: the oracle text of Animate Dead says that it is a "Enchant creature card in a graveyard").

oh, so you can stifle animate dead and they do not get the creature.

cool that's what I was thinking.