Will Tarmogoyf Drop in $ After The Extended PTQ? [Archive]

Kangaxx

12-12-2009, 11:55 AM

The Legacy favorite Tarmogoyf has been flucuating in price ever since it was printed. The price of the card pretty much stabilized at $35-$40 for almost a year, and then the Extended PTQ changed all of that. Now you'd be lucky to get a Goyf for $60 dollars. I don't have an economics major, but is there a chance that Goyf will stay at $60 in a "plateaued" state or will it plummet back to $40 after the PTQ? I've seen phenomenons in the past where a card didn't go down in price after a certain event. Hopefully Goyfy won't suffer the same fate. I'd like to hear some of your guesses on how this card's value will turn out in the immediate future as well as long term if you wish to share that as well.

JeroenC

12-12-2009, 12:36 PM

Odds are it won't go back down to its lowest moment, if SCG and WotC's efforts to make Legacy bigger work out the way we hopefully want them to. Somewhere around 40 seems like an obvious place to stabilize. Especially as long as it's Extended legal.

hyc8028

12-12-2009, 12:40 PM

Goyf is used in extended and legacy. The demand is very high right now. We probably won't see goyf drop below $40 until it rotate out of extended. I am thankful I got my set for $100 last Christmas.

Solaran_X

12-12-2009, 07:51 PM

MMogg

12-12-2009, 08:20 PM

Like a lot of cards, price is probably fluctuate based on the season. During Extended season, Tarmogoyf will increase in value. During Standard and Limited season, it will drop.

Unless some major support for Legacy comes out, it probably won't stay high outside of Extended season.

But the trouble is that even niche cards like Grindstone and Dreadnought see $20 and $30 price tags, so I think a card as ubiquitous as Tarmogoyf has little chance of going down in price, regardless of the season.

Also, prices usually jump quickly, but rarely drop quickly. Even when a card's popularity begins to wane, people are reticent to let them go for less than the plateaued price.

umbowta

12-12-2009, 08:31 PM

Goyf is used in extended and legacy. The demand is very high right now. We probably won't see goyf drop below $40 until it rotate out of extended. I am thankful I got my set for $100 last Christmas.

I'm thankful to get my five english foil for $5 each and three Chinese Foil for $14 each. Ohhh the memories. Now all I've got left are 7 english, nonfoil. Maybe I'll sell three of them while they're up so high.

hyc8028

12-12-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm thankful to get my five english foil for $5 each and three Chinese Foil for $14 each. Ohhh the memories. Now all I've got left are 7 english, nonfoil. Maybe I'll sell three of them while they're up so high.

I suggest you hold on to them for now since that it is still legal for couple more extended season. There is still room for the price to rise.

Rizso

12-12-2009, 09:53 PM

I really doubt Tarmogoyfs will go down in price, only a ban would give price reduction.

He will still be played in Legacy and some Vintage decks even after they leave extended.

Muradin

12-13-2009, 05:42 AM

No.

FieryBalrog

12-13-2009, 09:23 AM

Pretty glad I bought 4 for 91 dollars a year ago.

I don't think its coming back down to that level anytime soon.

Enigma

12-14-2009, 09:48 AM

Guys,

Everybody here knows about "i got my goys for 5 bucks a playset" stories. So just try not to make this thread a complete waste of time.

...

As how the price will go, I think it will go down to 40$ after extended and will maintain this price for ever, as it's the best Legacy staples and a good Vintage one also.

P-M

Skeggi

12-14-2009, 09:53 AM

Well, as long as the Dollar keeps dropping in value, I'd say a Tarmogoyf is a pretty good investment :wink:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rmc/lowres/rmcn165l.jpg

jazzykat

12-14-2009, 10:04 AM

MMogg

12-14-2009, 04:54 PM

My guess 40-50 USD

After extended rotation 35-45.

If FoW (a card this is 10 years older than goyf) is still ~$30 and is played VERY heavily in both Vintage and Legacy then I can't think Mr. Goyf will be that much higher once he rotates.

Oh, and if you are worried about paying 60+ Troll and Toad has 3 NM ones for $55.

EDIT: I will add that I took into account that FOW is an uncommon.

I bet even as an Alliances uncommon it has fewer in circulation than Goyf, particularly considering how many languages he's printed in, plus foils.

I just can't ever get my head around how an Extended staple is $60.

Edit: looking at MOTL prices, Goyf is $42 and FoW is at $24. Sadly, Mana Drain has fallen to $80. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

MattH

12-14-2009, 05:44 PM

I just can't ever get my head around how an Extended staple is $60.

Then you're gonna love the Standard-legal $55! (http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/M10/Baneslayer_Angel.html)

MMogg

12-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Then you're gonna love the Standard-legal $55! (http://findmagiccards.com/Cards/M10/Baneslayer_Angel.html)

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss48/MMMoggg/boom.gif

Pastorofmuppets

12-14-2009, 06:06 PM

I bet even as an Alliances uncommon it has fewer in circulation than Goyf, particularly considering how many languages he's printed in, plus foils.

I just can't ever get my head around how an Extended staple is $60.

Edit: looking at MOTL prices, Goyf is $42 and FoW is at $24. Sadly, Mana Drain has fallen to $80. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Tabernacle is $125. Oh, unfinished Terrageddon deck; how I loathe you and your money-draining ways.

majikal

12-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Sadly, Mana Drain has fallen to $80. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
That factors in Italian ones as well. I can guarantee you an English one goes for more than that.

JACO

12-17-2009, 04:16 PM

You guys don't really know much about the secondary market for cards, huh?

To begin with, Tarmogoyf isn't really a $60 card currently, so I don't know where you're getting your information from. Just because an online store like SCG might charge that much for it doesn't mean that is the price of the card. The average or 'street' price is closer to $40-44 dollars right now.

Regarding the original poster's question, Tarmogoyf will likely stay around $40 even after the current Extended PTQ season, and will stay at that price point (give or take a couple of bucks) until it rotates out of Extended for good (October 2013). Once that happens it will likely drop down to $15-20 max (unless the US currency is extremely devalued in the next 4 years, in which case you'll likely have greater problems than finding cheap Tarmogoyfs).

Kangaxx

12-19-2009, 06:04 PM

I know this sounds like a stupid question but I'm too lazy to research it, but does anyone know when Extended season is over? I want to set a date to pick up another playset after getting rid of my current one a month ago.

KrzyMoose

12-19-2009, 06:07 PM

Kangaxx

12-19-2009, 06:23 PM

My guess 40-50 USD

After extended rotation 35-45.

If FoW (a card this is 10 years older than goyf) is still ~$30 and is played VERY heavily in both Vintage and Legacy then I can't think Mr. Goyf will be that much higher once he rotates.

Oh, and if you are worried about paying 60+ Troll and Toad has 3 NM ones for $55.

EDIT: I will add that I took into account that FOW is an uncommon.

Why on earth do I see more FoW's running around in stores, people's binders and online stores then Goyf then? I've seen more Force of Wills than Tarmogoyfs running around, real talk.

Forbiddian

12-19-2009, 06:30 PM

Why on earth do I see more FoW's running around in stores, people's binders and online stores then Goyf then? I've seen more Force of Wills than Tarmogoyfs running around, real talk.

Prolly cause you play Legacy?

How many type 2 players do you think have a full set of power 9 and how many Vintage players do you think have a playset of Baneslayer Angels?

Kangaxx

12-19-2009, 06:36 PM

Prolly cause you play Legacy?

How many type 2 players do you think have a full set of power 9 and how many Vintage players do you think have a playset of Baneslayer Angels?

Tarmogoyf isn't played in Legacy?!?

Forbiddian

12-19-2009, 06:37 PM

Tarmogoyf isn't played in Legacy?!?

Tarmogoyf isn't played in Extended!?!?!?? Force of Will is !?!?!?!?!?

That's where all the "missing" Tarmogoyfs are going, bro.

I should say this: All the Forces ever printed go to Vintage/Legacy players, and of those, Legacy is more popular than Vintage. Probably only 10% of Tarmogoyfs printed go to Vintage/Legacy players, since Ext players still vastly outnumber Legacy players.

Note the price spike $20 bucks during Extended Season... like the whole thing we've been talking about?

DukeDemonKn1ght

12-19-2009, 06:49 PM

Tarmogoyf isn't played in Extended!?!?!?? Force of Will is !?!?!?!?!?

That's where all the "missing" Tarmogoyfs are going, bro.

I should say this: All the Forces ever printed go to Vintage/Legacy players. Probably only 10% of Tarmogoyfs printed go to Vintage/Legacy players, since Ext players still vastly outnumber Legacy players.

Have you played Standard recently, dude? Tarmogoogle hasn't been legal for like, two years. And unless my memory is incorrect, he didn't even see a whole lot of play in Standard, the big decks back then were like Dralnu, Pickles, and some other crap like that.

Ectoplasm

12-19-2009, 06:57 PM

Goyfs have been going for about €25 for ages around here, and I mean 1,5 years, didn't notice any change in price at all except for the obvious explosion once it got 'discovered'.

Also:

Dralnu

This guy was actually played? He seems like a great EDH general but what kind of deck was he in?

MWest52117

12-19-2009, 07:34 PM

Dralnu was used in a Standard Mystical Teachings control deck just before Lorwyn was released.

And Goyf was played quite a bit in Standard back then, the only more popular nonbasic land cards in TSP-LOR Standard were Mutavault, Treetop Village, Rune Snag, and Cryptic Command at least according to DeckCheck top 50 most common cards in that format. However, it wasn't played all that much when Ravnica was still Standard legal.

nateo

12-19-2009, 10:33 PM

Goyf was a future sight card right? Wasn't future sight supposed to be cards that were going to be printed again at some point in the future? If so goyf will be printed again and I would think that would cause its value to drop some.

J.V.

12-19-2009, 10:37 PM

FieryBalrog

12-20-2009, 01:52 AM

I have to ask- do Ext. players really outnumber Legacy players? As in players, not pros. I really doubt it based a couple of things. For one, the Legacy section of deck check is way more active. This makes sense if you think about the fact that local Legacy tournaments are probably much more common than local Ext. tournaments (never even heard of one). For another, I don't know of a forum with a really active Ext. population. Even on MTGS for example Legacy gets more activity than Ext. Even on MWS Legacy gets way more pickup games than Ext. I could be wrong on these of course, but just my feeling.

Really, the big thing about Ext. is its much more popular on the pro tour, while pros hate Legacy, but honestly who gives a shit. Its actually a fun format, way more fun than Standard, its just in this limbo where people who want games all the time regardless of rotation costs will play Standard, and people who don't want to deal with rotation costs play Legacy. Playing Ext. requires a heavy investment in mana bases roughly 1/2 that which Legacy requires, and often involves buying cards whose price is driven up by Standard.

I know thats the biggest sticking point for me, personally. I know that if I build a Legacy deck I won't be able to play all the time, but at least the cards will never rotate and I'll never lose value. I don't even play much Standard, but when I built my single Standard deck last season, it was so I could get games every week. Ext. is like... neither.

MMogg

12-20-2009, 03:16 AM

at least the cards will never rotate and I'll never lose value

Although they will never rotate the prices will indeed fluctuate over time based on what's good and what's not.

I'm still weary of picking up Tarmogoyfs at $40. I remember the "will never go down" label being applied to cards like Morphling and Masticore. You just never know where cards will end up because the future of the format is so uncertain. :smile:

Forbiddian

12-20-2009, 04:33 AM

Have you played Standard recently, dude? Tarmogoogle hasn't been legal for like, two years. And unless my memory is incorrect, he didn't even see a whole lot of play in Standard, the big decks back then were like Dralnu, Pickles, and some other crap like that.

Did you mean Extended? No, I don't play much Extended, but I'm pretty sure Tarmogoyf is still Extended-legal, seeing as how that's what everyone is talking about, among other clues, like that time when I played against Tarmogoyf in Extended last week.

And it is interesting, there might be more Legacy players than Extended players with Goyfs. At least all the stores I see reference Tarmogoyfs as being purchased alongside Legacy staples, like Trops, Tundras, Volcanics, and Flooded Strands.

Kangaxx

12-20-2009, 11:30 AM

Tarmogoyf isn't played in Extended!?!?!?? Force of Will is !?!?!?!?!?

That's where all the "missing" Tarmogoyfs are going, bro.

I should say this: All the Forces ever printed go to Vintage/Legacy players, and of those, Legacy is more popular than Vintage. Probably only 10% of Tarmogoyfs printed go to Vintage/Legacy players, since Ext players still vastly outnumber Legacy players.

Note the price spike $20 bucks during Extended Season... like the whole thing we've been talking about?

I'll have to disagree with you that Extended is more popular than Legacy. Extended only effects card values in a seasonal manner while Legacy is a constant stream of influence. Natural Order going from 0.59 cents to a $15 dollar card is a prime example. There are probably more Legacy players that own Goyfs than Extended players. My guess that the only reason you don't see them in people's binders is cuz they're already in decks, haha. Now back to the initial arguement, I honestly believe FoW's print run is higher than Tarmgoyf due off of experience based on physical evidence, and I will keep believing that until someone proves me wrong otherwise with concrete data.

P.S. - If Wizards supported the Legacy format, which is already a currency powerhouse, like they do with Extended which is only popular becuase of promotional services from Wizards themselves, I believe that Legacy could possible be the second most popular format in Magic next to Type 2.

paK0

12-20-2009, 12:28 PM

I believe that Legacy could possible be the second most popular format in Magic next to Type 2.

Not gonna happen

The pricetag is too high and I'm not sure that it would be possible to support Legacy without Duals/Stables reprints.

grahf

12-20-2009, 12:47 PM

I'll have to disagree with you that Extended is more popular than Legacy. Extended only effects card values in a seasonal manner while Legacy is a constant stream of influence. Natural Order going from 0.59 cents to a $15 dollar card is a prime example.

Extended is just as capable as Legacy as driving price spikes. Off the top of my head, Glimpse of Nature went from a dollar rare to 10+ when Elf combo became popular.

I honestly believe FoW's print run is higher than Tarmgoyf due off of experience based on physical evidence, and I will keep believing that until someone proves me wrong otherwise with concrete data.

This is possibly true, FoW was an uncommon after all, and Future Sight was the third set of a block, which always get printed and distributed less (not as many drafts are played where the 3rd set is legal until the next block comes out)

P.S. - If Wizards supported the Legacy format, which is already a currency powerhouse, like they do with Extended which is only popular becuase of promotional services from Wizards themselves, I believe that Legacy could possible be the second most popular format in Magic next to Type 2.

If Legacy became a PTQ format, then you would see prices on Legacy staples double overnight, and a bunch more people bitching about card availablility.

HAVE HEART

12-20-2009, 02:33 PM

It is not Extended season right now. It is currently Zendikar Limited (sealed swiss with cut to top eight draft) season. It would be surprising if Tarmogoyf fell anytime soon.

evilgorrilaz

12-20-2009, 03:50 PM

It is not Extended season right now. It is currently Zendikar Limited (sealed swiss with cut to top eight draft) season. It would be surprising if Tarmogoyf fell anytime soon.

Extended season is coming up.

Kangaxx

01-03-2010, 11:57 AM

This is possibly true, FoW was an uncommon after all, and Future Sight was the third set of a block, which always get printed and distributed less (not as many drafts are played where the 3rd set is legal until the next block comes out)

Now that I think about it, didn't Alliances get obscene amounts of criticism from fans at the time for being abundantly overprinted?