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Phoenix Ignition
01-04-2010, 07:32 PM
A few questions.
1. Does Riftstone Portal's ability work through a blood moon effect?
2. Can I declare a chalice of the void with 1 charge counter but pay 3 for it? Same for 0 charge counters and paying 1 for it (No trinispheres or any weird stuff like that in play).
3. How quick is evoke's sacrifice effect? Is it similar to a state based 0/0 dying or does the creature wait for it's CiP ability to resolve before it dies?
Thanks
1. Quite clearly an ability-adding effect, so it applies after Moon's type-changing effect. Take a look at the layers.
Riftstone Portal
Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
As long as Riftstone Portal is in your graveyard, lands you control have "T: Add G or W to your mana pool."
2. The number of counters Chalice enters the battlefield with is defined by what you pay for X. You seem to be confusing it with Sunburst, which works very differently.
Chalice of the Void XX
Artifact
Chalice of the Void enters the battlefield with X charge counters on it.
Engineered Explosives X
Artifact
Sunburst (This enters the battlefield with a charge counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.)
3. There is no "quick" in Magic.
702.71a. Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e-g.
As you can see, the second half of Evoke is an ETB trigger that checks whether the Evoke cost was paid.
Phoenix Ignition
01-04-2010, 08:29 PM
2. The number of counters Chalice enters the battlefield with is defined by what you pay for X. You seem to be confusing it with Sunburst, which works very differently.
I'm still confused. I guess I never did know if I can pay an odd amount of mana for a "XX" cost. Can I?
I assume I choose an X (say X=1) and then have to pay that much in order to play the spell. So 3 would not work.
3. There is no "quick" in Magic.
As you can see, the second half of Evoke is an ETB trigger that checks whether the Evoke cost was paid.
Right, "quick" was just a bad word choice. So do I stack the dying and CiP triggers how I choose?
EDIT: Thanks, that's it.
I'm still confused. I guess I never did know if I can pay an odd amount of mana for a "XX" cost. Can I?
You choose X, and then pay XX. Chalice doesn't care what you paid, only what X was.
You can't pay what isn't there, but an effect like Sphere of Resistance can make the total cost of Chalice odd.
Sunburst cares what you paid. This is why you can play tricks with Sunburst cards.
I assume I choose an X (say X=1) and then have to pay that much in order to play the spell. So 3 would not work.
Right.
Right, "quick" was just a bad word choice. So do I stack the dying and CiP triggers how I choose?
Right. They're both ETB triggers.
AngryTroll
01-05-2010, 03:18 AM
Can you set a Chalice for 1/2, to counter Little Girl, by paying 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 mana?
mchainmail
01-05-2010, 10:12 AM
Can you set a Chalice for 1/2, to counter Little Girl, by paying 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 mana?
The better question is why are you hating on a Little Girl?
I'm not versed in Unhinged rulings, although trying to apply comp rules would probably say picking a number requires a non-negative integer = you can't, but if I had to make a call in unhinged world, I'd say sure.
Anusien
01-05-2010, 10:21 AM
Unglued/Unhinged rulings are in the eyes of the beholder.
Before you can do this, you'd have to reason out what a half a counter is, and how that's different from simply having a smaller counter.
Unglued/Unhinged rulings are in the eyes of the beholder.
Before you can do this, you'd have to reason out what a half a counter is, and how that's different from simply having a smaller counter.
Using cookies for counters and eating half a cookie would result in half a counter :)
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