[Budget Tournament] -- Signups

[4eak]

This is the sign-up thread for the Budget Legacy MWS (http://www.magicworkstation.com/) tournament.

Sign-ups will end on January 17th (Sunday) at 12:01 AM GMT+7. The first round will begin the following day. Each round will last 6 days total. Rounds will officially start on 12:01 AM Monday mornings GMT+7 and end on 12:01 AM Sunday GMT+7 of each week.

If you wish to sign-up:


Post your Deckcode in this thread (MWS->Tools->Get Deck Security Code).
PM me with your Decklist (MWS formatting please) and Deckcode. Please title your PM appropriately.


Decks should be built to these specifications:


Legacy Format/Cardpool, with 2 additions: Empty the Warrens and Tendrils of Agony are banned.
Maximum total deckcost will be $50.
Basic lands of any sort are free.
Price your cards according to MOTL's average price list (http://www.magictraders.com/pricelists/current-magic) (the 3rd price column)

If a card has multiple entries, choose the lowest cost (again, only from the "average" column).
Please skip over exceptions which are obviously wrong, like a dual land for zero dollars or something.
Provide a reasonable alternative pricing index for any exceptions (the card "Foil" is $70 in this list, but obviously should be closer to $1).
If you don't want to add up your deck's cost by hand, this script.py (http://pastie.org/764139) (Python 2.6) with this pricelist.txt (http://sharetext.org/X9P) can help calculate decklist costs quickly
Please note that MOTL's Price Lists are updated often, so your actual deckprice will change over time. I'm going by my script's pricing, but I realize some have already built decks according to MOTL's pricing from a different day. I think we should give a bit of leeway because of this. I think it will be pretty obvious if you tried to stay within the limit.



Other tournament structure concerns:

All players must acknowledge within the "Round X" thread that they intend to play and have contacted their opponent for scheduling purposes within 2 days of the beginning of a round (I think this is fair). If you haven't posted within 48 hours of the start of a round (and given an acceptable amount of time to schedule a match), then you take a loss unless your opponent has mercy on you for "showing up late".
If both players show initiative and try to schedule a match, but it never results in actually playing the match, then it will be a draw.
Any player who doesn't communicate in some form or another during a round will be dropped from the tournament.
This is a fairly casual tournament, so play with somewhat relaxed rules and be charitable please.
I am not handling prize support of any sort; if others want to pledge, feel free, but it is not expected.






peace,
4eak

[4eak]

I'm signing up. For the sake of fairness, I will be posting my decklist. No one else needs to post their decklist.

Deckcode: 805f2181

// Lands
4 [CS] Scrying Sheets
19 [CS] Snow-Covered Plains
2 [CS] Mouth of Ronom

// Creatures
3 [SC] Eternal Dragon
2 [WL] Peacekeeper

// Spells
4 [DIS] Condemn
4 [U] Swords to Plowshares
4 [SC] Wing Shards
4 [LRW] Austere Command
4 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [AT] Sacred Mesa
4 [DS] Pulse of the Fields

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [CS] Sunscour
SB: 4 [MR] Rule of Law
SB: 4 [SC] Gilded Light
SB: 2 [R] Disenchant
SB: 1 [WL] Peacekeeper




peace,
4eak

[Pastorofmuppets]

I feel bad about not running this, so I'll handle prize support.
I can give certain amounts of money towards my buylist on MTGsalvation, or I can just offer cards for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

If you build your deck on www.essentialmagic.com, they'll price it on MOTL automatically.

I'm in, I guess.

[4eak]

Use EssentialMagic if you want, but they aren't using the exact same index to calculate card prices -- from what I can see, it may result in some of your card prices increasing.

Lowest costed Wrath of God from MOTL's "Average" column = $4.62
Essential Magic's listed price of Wrath of God (based on MOTL's pricing) = $15.99





peace,
4eak

[Mark Sun]

I'm in, need to start playing around with some cards. Looks like we have plenty of time. :smile:

[Illissius]

Hmm. This is tempting.

I think serious consideration should be given to also banning Ignite Memories, Brain Freeze, and/or Grapeshot. I'd say these are significantly more dangerous than Empty the Warrens, which can be dealt with using any kind of inexpensive sweeper, Echoing Truth, or whatever. Obviously none of these are Tendrils, but it's possible Storm could just replace 1 Tendrils with 4 Grapeshot, 1 Ignite or whatever and not lose much. Up to you if you want to run the risk. (Belcher also, as mentioned in the other thread.)

[Pastorofmuppets]

More than anything else, people need to get creative with their anti-combo.
Trickbind will still break Storm, as will a well-timed Foil or Daze
Runed Halo would wreck faces until they draw into bounce.
Ethersworn Canonist will mess most of their plans up, and it beats.
The fast combo decks will keep burn in check. Banning Storm altogether isn't the way to go.

[Illissius]

If Storm is such a big problem then I don't think banning cards to weaken it by, say, 5-10% or whatever makes very much sense. (Maybe it's more than this, but I also find it very possible that it's this little.) If you're going to take action, best to make sure your action solves the problem.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to take the price list as of any given moment, put it online somewhere else, and use that as the reference from then on. It's a much simpler, clearer, and more unambiguous solution than saying you'll allow for a bit of "leeway" and then maybe have people game it by having their decks come in $1 above the line intentionally, and then claiming that it was below it at some point which you don't have any real way of proving or disproving. I mean obviously it's just a casual tournament so no biggie, but if a better solution is easy to do then I don't see a reason not to do it.

[(nameless one)]

I really hope I can get my computer going before the deadline...

I would love to run my actual elf deck since its about $50 (sans Gaea's Cradle)

[erg-19]

I'm in for sure. Nothing better than a good ole' time with some friends. Security code is:aef845ab

[kicks_422]

I've got lots of lists, but no time to play. You can PM me if you want to join this and you need a deck to use.

[Otter]

Berserk Stompy is in! Posting my list for the hell of it, the chance to beat up on this pile will probably encourage some folks to join up :wink:

Deck security code for current deck: b40d125a

// Lands
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Temple Garden
1 Stomping Ground
1 Forest
4 City of Brass
3 Karplusan Forest
2 Brushland

// Creatures
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Kavu Predator
4 Viashino Slaughtermaster
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk
4 Skyshroud Elite
3 Qasali Pridemage

// Spells
4 Land Grant
4 Rancor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Invigorate
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Fling

// Sideboard
4 Warmth
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Pyroblast
3 Gleeful Sabotage

[Ssbm Rocks1]

My code:b820b766
It's on!

[stuckpixel]

I'm in. I have to build my deck yet, but I'm down.

[EDIT] Alright, here's my deckcode: 441b0b0d.

[Atwa]

I'm in. I have to build my deck yet, but I'm down.

Me too.

[DrJones]

I still need to build my deck, but I'm signing up!

[Illissius]

Here's also a ruby script (http://people.inf.elte.hu/legoabt/price.rb) I hacked up a long time ago to calculate deck prices, if anyone wants it.

Notes:
- It's only going to work under Linux/Unix because I couldn't be arsed to learn the proper Ruby APIs for things and just used wget, cat, etc., so apologies to the rest of you.
- It fetches the price list from MOTL automatically and then caches it; use -r to clear the cache.
- It works with plain/Apprentice-formatted decklists, not MWS ones (so no [MRD] or whatever). It does accept SB: lines.
- It uses the price of the least expensive version of the card it finds, but uses the first "Price" column rather than the third "Average" column; I'm not sure what the difference is -- usually they're the same, but not always.
- It outputs the price of each line in the decklist separately as well a total at the end so you can quickly see what's eating up the budget, I don't know if the python one does this.
- It takes the decklist from standard input, so either paste it then press ctrl-D, or cat decklist.txt | ./price.rb, etc.

[Pastorofmuppets]

I'm officially in. You guys had better be scared.

[Forbiddian]

Welcome to combo-town.

[Illissius]

I was about to say. Banning Tendrils and EtW doesn't go nearly far enough in solving the combo problem, if of course we want to solve it.

Upon cursory examination, all of the following decks seem inexpensive, highly buildable, highly viable, and highly noninteractive:

Glimpse Elves
Dredge
Storm (with Grapeshot, Brain Freeze, and Ignite Memories)
Belcher
High Tide
Hypergenesis
Dream Halls
Cephalid Breakfast

With the exception of Dredge and maybe Tide/Dream Halls/Breakfast (which otherwise play it), all of these benefit immensely from Force of Will effectively leaving the format, and many of them lose very little compared to their "fully powered" versions, unlike most non-combo decks. It sounds like a recipe for a format of combo decks against dedicated combo hate decks. (Of course, you can play other things, but you will lose to the combo decks). Are we okay with that?

[stuckpixel]

I agree. FoW really keeps the legacy format in check - I don't know if Foil is going to be enough to stop combo from dominating.

[Otter]

Don't forget that Chalice leaves too, so prison isn't a decent answer either.

[Pastorofmuppets]

patience is a virtue. We'll never know until we do it, men.

[Illissius]

Sure, if we're willing to do one tournament to figure out what's broken, ban it, and then do another tournament, figure out what's still broken, ban that too, and keep iterating, that's a good strategy -- but I don't know if you can get people to show up for further tournaments if the previous one was a combo wasteland. And banning Tendrils and EtW but nothing else still seems totally arbitrary. I'd say all or nothing, except that something is, still, better than nothing.

Anyway, it's up to 4eak, given he's the one putting in effort to organize things. Thanks for that, by the way.

[Pastorofmuppets]

also, where do I find my deck code at? I've got a finalized list @ $49.35

[Mark Sun]

Welcome to combo-town.

We may need a few iterations for a healthy metagame here. Regardless, I have the first draft of my deck ready to go, from prices this week I'm sitting on somewhere around $48.74, looking good.

[yawg07]

If it is combo, it is combo.
We don't have a healthy format yet, because ZOMG ... it is a NEW format.
It can't be perfect day one, you guys.

Also, sign me up! $49.63 woot woot
Code: b560d753


Also, Belcher/Storm/High Tide/Elves is easily stopped with Mindbreak Trap SB. Trap is like $2.50 or something.

[Illissius]

I've updated my script (http://people.inf.elte.hu/legoabt/price.rb) a bit to use the Average column and price basic lands at 0, just to match with the rules exactly. Is anyone else using it?

[pi4meterftw]

patience is a virtue. We'll never know until we do it, men.

What? Why can't you think and deduce things? Does your mind only take in "knowledge" by experimentation? It's obvious it will be combo-infested.

[Forbiddian]

Combo might be fun, let's just do it.

And maybe someone will have an answer to combo.

[Illissius]

The $50 limit is just low enough to be restrictive. Everything cool I try to do winds up around $75. Feh. *keeps trying*

[Heresy]

Deck code: 362ddb96

[Mark Sun]

If it is combo, it is combo.
We don't have a healthy format yet, because ZOMG ... it is a NEW format.
It can't be perfect day one, you guys.

Also, sign me up! $49.63 woot woot
Code: b560d753


Also, Belcher/Storm/High Tide/Elves is easily stopped with Mindbreak Trap SB. Trap is like $2.50 or something.

True, there's no Chant in this format! (Unless your deck is 4x Chant & a bunch of land :really:). That means I don't have to kick you in the balls! <3

[johanessen]

I'm in , too!

48.95$

[Maveric78f]

Brainstorm at 0.25$?

[Maveric78f]

I'm in with a $49.73 worth kick-ass deck.

[stuckpixel]

True, there's no Chant in this format! (Unless your deck is 4x Chant & a bunch of land :really:). That means I don't have to kick you in the balls! <3

There is, however, Silence at about 3 bucks a pop.

[DrJones]

I agree. FoW really keeps the legacy format in check - I don't know if Foil is going to be enough to stop combo from dominating.http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=351509&postcount=57

[eq.firemind]

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showpost.php?p=351509&postcount=57
This and Spell Pierce

[Pastorofmuppets]

What? Why can't you think and deduce things? Does your mind only take in "knowledge" by experimentation? It's obvious it will be combo-infested.

but if we flail around banning everything that looks minutely terrifying we won't learn what are and aren't broken. We could end up banning fair things that keep Red in check.

[johanessen]

550aecdd

[Illissius]

I just want to note that as of this moment using the current MOTL pricelist both Otter's (http://pastebin.com/m649ff9bf) and 4eak's (http://pastebin.com/m4e72c410) decks are coming in well over the limit. It seems like prices have inflated quite a bit in this short time. Using the price list from 4eak's original post, however, his deck comes in at $53 and Otter's at $48. (Presumably 4eak's was also under $50 at the time he built it). So I recommend people use the price list from 4eak's post if they want to make better use of their budget.

[4eak]

I still fall under 50$.

Quantity -- Card -- Cardprice -- Product of [Quantity][Cardprice] -- CurrentDeckCost

4 Scrying Sheets 0.65 2.60 2.60
2 Mouth of Ronom 0.27 0.54 3.14
3 Eternal Dragon 2.48 7.44 10.58
2 Peacekeeper 1.22 2.44 13.02
4 Condemn 0.19 0.76 13.78
4 Swords to Plowshares 1.97 7.88 21.66
4 Wing Shards 0.25 1.00 22.66
4 Austere Command 0.67 2.68 25.34
4 Oblivion Ring 0.21 0.84 26.18
3 Sensei's Divining Top 5.38 16.14 42.32
3 Sacred Mesa 0.25 0.75 43.07
4 Pulse of the Fields 0.37 1.48 44.55
4 Sunscour 0.51 2.04 46.59
4 Rule of Law 0.25 1.00 47.59
4 Gilded Light 0.25 1.00 48.59
2 Disenchant 0.05 0.10 48.69
1 Peacekeeper 1.22 1.22 49.91

Cost = 49.91

We are using two slightly different scripts I believe. From reading your script, it may be adding up snowlands basics, which would account for the difference.

You are right about the general price increase. As I've told several already, it is to your benefit to use the agreed upon pricelist, as it will be cheaper than the current prices in some cases.

It will be a very small tourney (not many players enjoy the budget I suppose). So far, there are 8 registered to play. I sent messages earlier this week to those who expressed interest but hadn't enrolled. Some are busy, one (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/member.php?u=287) got banned, etc.

How many rounds do you all want?





peace,
4eak

[Tivon]

I'll see if I can throw something together that I like. Up until the past 6 months or so my magic life has essentially been budget... so hopefully I can come up with something...

[Maveric78f]

Here is my full registration. We are now 9! Yeah!

Deck security code for current deck: 2afc22a2

[Pastorofmuppets]

It will be a very small tourney (not many players enjoy the budget I suppose). So far, there are 8 registered to play. I sent messages earlier this week to those who expressed interest but hadn't enrolled. Some are busy, one (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/member.php?u=287) got banned, etc.

How many rounds do you all want?





peace,
4eak
Depends how long they'll be. If they're 3 days apiece we could go to as many as 5 or 6. We need really sufficient testing. Some people don't like the idea of how this is going to be so "combo dominated," which IMO is a bunch of bull. I'm piloting something that's somewhat experimental. Did you get that thing I sencha, 4eak?
Also, IBA finally got banned?

[4eak]

Here are current registered players :

erg-19
Otter
Ssbm Rocks1
stuckpixel
yawg07
4eak
Pastorofmuppets
johanessen
Maveric78f




peace,
4eak

[Illissius]

I'm still working on my deck. I'll probably end up submitting it at the last second.

[THEchubbymuffin]

I'm working on my deck still as well. I'll have it up by tomorrow,

[ssilver]

same here, building it today : )

[xTrainx]

Building my deck, but will sign up.

EDIT: Ready to roll. Sign me up.

Security Code: 98d867e0

[Illissius]

Here's mine: D3B3F6D2

[xTrainx]

So we got what, 11? 12?

[edgewalker]

I'll give it a try: d27ad1fb

[Roman Candle]

I'm in.

5DA636AE

[THEchubbymuffin]

I'm ready now. I am playing a variation of a Gearhart deck I believe. How can I lose?

Deck Code: c064bdbb

[Pastorofmuppets]

okay, finally found my deck code, thanks for the help.
f000033f