WTF is Going On With the Site? [Archive]

Zilla

01-25-2010, 03:16 AM

I know, right? Please be patient. We've just upgraded to vBulletin's most current version... we were several years behind. This software is VERY new, and is still in beta. The board's style editor is brand new and is, frankly, a counterintuitive piece of shit, so it will take a few days before everything is looking exactly as it's supposed to. Thanks for your patience in the meantime.

Also, the new software required us to renew our site license, which cost me personally $175 bucks. I drop a couple hundred bucks a year out of pocket to keep the site running, and I typically don't ask for help, but in this case it's a pretty big hit all at once, so if you feel like contributing, it would be very much appreciated. My paypal account is patrick.maeder2@gmail.com. Even a few bucks can help.

This upgrade will make Account Signups much smoother using reCaptcha, and will make the site much more secure overall. Along with the software upgrade, we'll be installing Google Analytics to track site traffic, and we'll be adding a plugin for automated card linking, including mouseover images so you can see cards without having to leave the page.

All this shit takes time and effort, so thanks again for your patience. Feel free to send me a PM if you notice any problems or if you have any questions.

Aggro_zombies

01-25-2010, 03:29 AM

Thanks for the hard work, guys. Been F5'ing the site for a while now, good to see it's going well.

jazzykat

01-25-2010, 03:35 AM

Perhaps it's because not to many people are logged in but it seems to load really fast. So far so awesome I say.

Digital Devil

01-25-2010, 03:43 AM

Pretty clean graphic and nice design. I can't wait to see how the site's going to be like in the next days.

Jak

01-25-2010, 03:59 AM

Thank you for reassuring me the site won't stay looking like this.

majikal

01-25-2010, 04:18 AM

Kill it with fire!

PS Keep up the good work.

Nightmare

01-25-2010, 07:19 AM

I have no idea how to do anything on this site now. I feel lost.

Atwa

01-25-2010, 07:21 AM

Thanks again for all the work you put into keeping this the best legacy site around.

Good to see you back as a regular too :)

citanul

01-25-2010, 07:24 AM

I have no idea how to do anything on this site now. I feel lost.

So there's no difference for you then?

I'm curious what the difference between 'What's new' and 'New Posts' is.

Nidd

01-25-2010, 07:41 AM

Thank you for reassuring me the site won't stay looking like this.

Seconded. I already get a light form of eye cancer.

heroicraptor

01-25-2010, 07:51 AM

>.> phpbb is free.

Fons

01-25-2010, 07:59 AM

You should make a chipin http://www.chipin.com/.

Shugyosha

01-25-2010, 08:04 AM

Although the design at the moment sucks I really like the different backgroundcolor for stickied posts. It really helps when you open up the subfourms.

kabal

01-25-2010, 08:30 AM

Could you open up more styles/themes to choose from? Thx

Illissius

01-25-2010, 10:15 AM

Thanks for everything.

Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like this theme better than the old one.

A bug report: When you click the little icon next a thread with new posts in it, it doesn't jump to the newest post any more, only to the last page.

Skeggi

01-25-2010, 10:21 AM

Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like this theme better than the old one.
Yeah, you're weird. It's like liking the new borders. :wink:

Nightmare

01-25-2010, 10:54 AM

My favorite part of the software upgrade:

http://www.jolinko.com/f/421e768c42f591db13710ab4cb4621c2.jpg

A bug report: When you click the little icon next a thread with new posts in it, it doesn't jump to the newest post any more, only to the last page.

There's a little arrow icon next to the thread's title (looks like a fast-forward symbol). Click on that arrow icon and you'll go to the last post of the thread.

Also, my actual favorite part of the upgrade is the multi-quote ability. Now you can reply to more than one post at a time, which was a pain in the ass before.

AngryTroll

01-25-2010, 11:12 AM

Also, my actual favorite part of the upgrade is the multi-quote ability. Now you can reply to more than one post at a time, which was a pain in the ass before.

Nice. Major pain before.

Is there a way to make the quotes in people's signatures (like mine) smaller, so they're obviously not part of the discussion?

Phoenix Ignition

01-25-2010, 11:14 AM

Also, my actual favorite part of the upgrade is the multi-quote ability. Now you can reply to more than one post at a time, which was a pain in the ass before.

That was a pain before. [Goddamn ninjas]

I don't like the new format though. It's ugly.

Maveric78f

01-25-2010, 11:22 AM

Is there a way to make the quotes in people's signatures (like mine) smaller, so they're obviously not part of the discussion?
Yeah. Signatures are barely separated from the rest of the post and they look like spam to me. They always did to my eyes actually, but now it's really annoying.

Nightmare

01-25-2010, 11:22 AM

That was a pain before. [Goddamn ninjas]

I don't like the new format though. It's ugly.

It's not the final look. Please refer to the first post of this thread, where Zilla says he's working on it. Give it time, it will probably look better by this weekend.

caiomarcos

01-25-2010, 11:24 AM

I liked the whole "getting updated" thing, but it will take while until I get used to the new design.

The only thing I'd like to ask, and someone already asked, is to change the signatures, they look too much like regular post!

Other than that, keep up the good work!

Julian23

01-25-2010, 11:30 AM

I really like what you're trying to do with this site. The only thing I have to say is that I REALLY hope the background won't stay this bright when Zilla is done. This is the Source, we're not white, we're blue!
/edit: Oh, and decrease the size of signatures in general please!

Bardo

01-25-2010, 12:00 PM

I like the look of the new site -- though it is a bit disorienting. Definitely much more friendly for working drones like myself. :)

Most importantly, let's see if the :eyebrow: smilie works.

Edit. Sweet.

mujadaddy

01-25-2010, 12:46 PM

The update is new, and it frightens and angers me.

AngryTroll

01-25-2010, 01:04 PM

They always did to my eyes actually, but now it's really annoying.

Set it so that you don't see them. Settings, Forum Settings, and then uncheck the box that lets you see signatures.

Edit: Checked to make sure it still works, it does.

Wrath_Of_Houlding

01-25-2010, 01:07 PM

Everything is wider now...I'm not a fan

yawg07

01-25-2010, 01:25 PM

When you finish changing over, could you keep this style as an option?
It honestly looks nice. Maybe a little bright, but nice.

And like Bardo said, better for the working class who need to sneak their Source fix during work hours.

Aleksandr

01-25-2010, 01:27 PM

I hope that this site returns to the previous graphic really soon.

Also - thinking of some money support to your cause, Zilla... but as I am going to have a wedding pretty soon, I need every coin now. We'll see...

Keep up the good work. You're my hero.

Dan Turner

01-25-2010, 01:42 PM

give me a week or so and I will send some cash your way PM me a mailing address to save some paypal fees

badjuju

01-25-2010, 02:01 PM

lol I totally typed up a HUGE post using "Reply with Quote" and then I hit the big blue button that said " + REPLY TO THREAD" only to have the full-response page open up. Doh.

Nightmare

01-25-2010, 02:23 PM

FYI - We have card tags now.

Wrap your card names in [/cards ] (remove the spaces), and it will look like this:

[cards]hyalopterous lemure

Nightmare

If you mouse-over the link, a popup display shows the card so you don't have to navigate away from the page. Pretty hot.

Nihil Credo

01-25-2010, 02:27 PM

Bonus note: it also works if you post a complete decklist.

4 Nourishing Shoal
4 Lich
[/cards ]

becomes

[cards]
4 Nourishing Shoal
4 Lich

Note that you must only use numbers before the card names though, not stuff like "4x"

DuxDucis

01-25-2010, 02:34 PM

The autocard thing makes the changes worthwhile.

Very well done!

Zilla

01-25-2010, 03:13 PM

Just to reiterate for those that missed it: The site design is not finished yet. I know it looks kinda wonky at the moment. I also know that people hate and fear change. Give me a few days with it before you judge it too much. A few points on the design front:

- There is no way to implement the old site skin completely. It's impossible to transfer 3.x skins to 4.x. I will be going for the same general color scheme as the old site. Parts of it are already done, parts are not. Anything which looks steely blue is going to change to match the old purplish look.

- The icons will change also. Right now they're using the default 4.x vBulletin style.

- I'm undecided on the lighter background. A lot of people prefer the white background for friendlier at-work viewing. Others feel it's too bright. In the short term I'll probably leave the white parts white. In the long term, I'll probably create a sub-template with the same overall design but a darker background for the posts that people are used to. That way you can choose between the two based on your personal preference. Note that this will take some time because vBulletin 4.x's style editor is a clunky piece of crap.

- Someone asked about installing a few more skins to choose from. At this time that's not really an option. vBulletin 4.x is so new that no one has really created any skins for it yet. There are a few, but the ones I've seen are mostly user made and they look like shit. This may be an option at a later date.

In summary, be patient, let me make some more changes, then I'll ask for suggestions and ideas on how to improve it. Thanks for your input so far.

On another note, a few people have suggested some alternative bulletin boards systems which are free. I appreciate the input, but it's not necessary. vBulletin is expensive, but it's one of the most secure, feature-robust, well supported boards available by a wide margin. Also, migrating the existing database (which contains more than 6 years' worth of posts and user data) to a new board format would be risky and extremely work intensive. In short, vBulletin is well worth a couple hundred bucks every few years.

On that note, I want to thank everyone who has contributed so far. You guys are awesome. If you haven't contributed and want to, the Paypal account again is patrick.maeder2@gmail.com.

Thanks again everyone for your contributions and your patience.

Enigma

01-25-2010, 03:15 PM

Thanks a lot for all the dedication you guys have been doing here so far. I gladly appreciate it.

As for the design, I like it... hell, we finally can multi-quote!

P-M

Elfrago

01-25-2010, 03:26 PM

>.> phpbb is free.

And much much worse.

Multiquote and Card tags are great, but some of the smiles suck hard. Like this: :wink:.

Piceli89

01-25-2010, 03:33 PM

O my gush. I'm having a Customer's fidelity crisis. Opening this new site waiting to spam my well-known, good old blue-and-black jank and now I find myself lost among soft curves, pop-ish layout, bubbles and blinding Azur? What a murder for a poor Graphic Designer nerd-and his (dying) eyes like me!

Good work, dudes.
At least for keeping the collage behind the site's logo.
But please, change the bg color.
It's too flashy and doesn't fit with the font really much.

coraz86

01-25-2010, 04:40 PM

Thanks a lot for all the dedication you guys have been doing here so far. I gladly appreciate it.

This. I'm not prone to complaining when people do really cool stuff for me with minimal obligation on my part.

I would like to say, on the subject of design, that I just invested in a laptop with a hi-def monitor, and the brighter background gets to be a bit much if I'm on here for too long. I liked the old color scheme a lot. Again, though, just my two cents; whatever it takes to keep the forum going is fine by me.

Bardo

01-25-2010, 05:20 PM

The new look is immensely better than the old when at work. Like 1000x better.

I always run this site with sigs and avatars turned off and it looks really clean. I dig it.

FoulQ

01-25-2010, 05:25 PM

The one thing nobody has mentioned yet is deleted posts. I really liked how discrete the old ones were. They seem really big now.

Otherwise, I'm pretty excited to see the changes. I've personally always been a fan of the darker background because it allows for lazy viewing when I wake up, the brightness kind of turned me off this morning. But honestly, I know I'll get used to it and stop bitching either way.

Peter_Rotten

01-25-2010, 06:05 PM

I hate and fear change. :(

Now things are different.

But card tags are awesome to a powerful degree.

yavimaya elder

EDIT: except when you can't spell.

pippo84

01-25-2010, 06:22 PM

Sometimes I check the site from my phone and some from the pc. From my phone it looks slower now! ://

cdr

01-25-2010, 06:50 PM

I would say make the default skin as close to the original as possible color-wise, and then have the lighter color "work" skin for those that desire it.

Bardo

01-25-2010, 06:51 PM

Sometimes I check the site from my phone and some from the pc. From my phone it looks slower now! ://

On a PC, seems much faster to me.

Brushwagg

01-25-2010, 09:39 PM

It's going to take some time to get use to. But I kind of like how the borad looks.

Illissius

01-25-2010, 09:48 PM

There's a little arrow icon next to the thread's title (looks like a fast-forward symbol). Click on that arrow icon and you'll go to the last post of the thread.

's what I was talking about, I think. Doesn't work. It only takes me to the first unread page, not to the first unread post within it. There's not even any "#post36261213513626" anchor at the end of the URL when clicking it. However, "View First Unread" within the thread itself (at the top) does work, so I'll just use that for now.

To be clear: For threads containing unread posts, there's a little circular icon with downward-pointing triangles in it next to the thread's title, with a tooltip saying "Go to first new post": that's what I'm talking about. There's also a little rectangular icon with rightward-pointing triangles in the "Last Post By" column next to the time, with "Go to last post" as the tooltip; this also does work, but is not the same thing.

lol I totally typed up a HUGE post using "Reply with Quote" and then I hit the big blue button that said " + REPLY TO THREAD" only to have the full-response page open up. Doh.

Hmm. I was going to say "use Opera", but it doesn't seem to work either in this case, probably because of the ajaxiness. But anyway, use Opera, it remembers form contents when you press the back/forward button. Have other browsers gotten around to copying that yet?

Skeggi

01-26-2010, 04:10 AM

I really appreciate all the effort that's being put into this. Keep up the good work :)

yawg07

01-26-2010, 07:27 AM

On a PC, seems much faster to me.
This. I honestly like the new look more than the old, the more I think about it.

EDIT: Actually, I'd really like to add a profile picture, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how.
It isn't in the settings :/

Raptor

01-26-2010, 11:23 PM

I really like the new skin of the forum, although I'm a bit tired of blue. Most of the forums that I'm on are blue.

Just a suggestion, a banner change could be nice too, you could make a contest to people to design one and if they are too bad, you just keep the old one. (I'm talking about the banner on top of the page)

AngryTroll

01-26-2010, 11:39 PM

Just a suggestion, a banner change could be nice too, you could make a contest to people to design one and if they are too bad, you just keep the old one. (I'm talking about the banner on top of the page)

I like this plan. It'd be kind of cool to have a thread full of submissions. Plus, maybe it's just the my laptop, but the available space seems to be much wider than the current banner.

Dan Turner

01-26-2010, 11:48 PM

I am a member on another site that uses vBulletin and was wondering if you could use the on here like we can over there. where all you have to do is post the videos code in the space and it embeds it in your post.

Bardo

01-26-2010, 11:49 PM

Raptor

01-26-2010, 11:59 PM

FWIW, the banner was updated last summer. The adepts/mods voted on their top ten cards for the banner--votes were tallied and the new banner was created. Hence, Exalted Angel and Chrome Mox out; Counterbalance and Tarmogoyf in.

Overall, I think the banner fonts need a refresh, but it's otherwise fine.

Oh sorry, I didn't know the banner was updated, it looked the same to me in my staying. I was just throwing some ideas.
I'm always up to try something a day, even though it might not be really good.

Do you think there will be some options available to change the skin color in the next few months ?

Tacosnape

01-27-2010, 12:07 AM

Bah. This makes the site a huge pain in the ass on my Netbook.

How do we have time to play around with things that weren't broken before and yet nobody updates the DTB forum?

Bardo

01-27-2010, 12:08 AM

Do you think there will be some options available to change the skin color in the next few months ?

I think the light blue / dark blue is here for some time though we may create other skins/themes for the site, time and talent permitting.

godryk

01-27-2010, 06:05 AM

Phelddagrif

Wow! That's awesome, The Source really needed a card tag, but it should be placed somehow in the text editor, so that it hasn't have to be manually inserted. I guess it can be done.

Whatever, I like the changes, after five years registered in the site I can understand that changes can be tough for some users, but after some days you get used to it and get to find everything. The site looks way nicer and lighter.
:laugh:

Nightmare

01-27-2010, 07:16 AM

Bah. This makes the site a huge pain in the ass on my Netbook.

How do we have time to play around with things that weren't broken before and yet nobody updates the DTB forum?

Haters gotta hate.

Zilla, the Magic card backs look great!

PhanTom_lt

01-27-2010, 07:49 AM

Looks weird, but nice. One thing that is inconvenient is everything is too wide/high - signatures, user info on the left side of the page, and the whole site itself. When browsing on an Opera Mini (for mobiles), about 10% on the left side is pretty much blank.

JACO

01-27-2010, 11:59 AM

Whenever I visit this site it keeps prompting me to log in, and even if I check the box saying 'remember me' it doesn't the next time I visit. It appears you have something to adjust with the cookie or time it is set to remember users.

EDIT: Also, the user profile boxes on the left side of messages is way too big (like 2-3 inches long). If this was compressed or smaller there wouldn't be so much wasted space and scrolling in every single thread.

Nightmare

01-27-2010, 12:15 PM

Zach Tartell

01-27-2010, 12:50 PM

Can we maybe make the person box a little thinner? Jacko is right in that regard - I either have to use full screen or scroll like a motherfucker.

And I don't like mother fucking any more than I like unnecessary scrolling.

Wrath_Of_Houlding

01-27-2010, 12:55 PM

I second this.

socialite

01-27-2010, 01:03 PM

Yall bitches need to get a bigger screen, 24 wide screen and it looks fine to me. Personally I find the new setup quite nice. A few things need ironing out but once they do an updated Vbulletin board = teh secks. CARD LINKING? Seriously it's like I had a wet dream all over this site. Finally I don't have to magiccards.info open all the time.

Thanks for all the hard work Zilla and associated administrators/moderators, it is greatly appreciated.

Nightmare

01-27-2010, 01:27 PM

Yall bitches need to get a bigger screen, 24 wide screen and it looks fine to me.

Yeah guys, I'm on a 15" laptop screen, or alternatively a 17" monitor screen and everything looks fine to me. Screenshots?

Zilla

01-27-2010, 03:10 PM

Let me address a few points being brought up, in no particular order:

1. With regards to an updated banner, we may do that in the nearish future, but not right now. People are terrified of and full of hatred for change, and adding one more thing on top of all this other stuff may cause theem to snap. I'm kind of fond of the old school look of the thing, but I reckon we can update it in not too long. If people want to suggest ideas for a redesign, you're welcome to do so.

2. With regards to more skins to choose from: this version of vBulletin is brand new. There are basically no custom skins for it yet. I had to make this one myself and it was a colossal pain in the balls. Once some decent ones start getting released, I'll add them as options to the site. I've spent about 20 hours in the last 3 days tweaking this skin, and I'm not in the mood to create any more at the moment.

3. Someone wanted video links on the site. It already exists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA

Just put a youtube link inside [video] tags, or click on the filmstrip icon in the quick reply box. Try not to make me regret this. Also, the video above is NSFW.

4. With regards to mobile phone users and their complaints about widths: the side widths are set pixel widths as opposed to percentages, which would account for why it's taking up so much space on your screens. I'll change those widths to percentages later this afternoon and that should fix the problem. That may be the issue with the user info width as well. I'll take a look at it. If you're still having problems with it tomorrow let me know.

5. Skeggi brought a minor bug to my attention: if you try to link a deck thread with brackets in it (e.g., http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?8158-[DTB]-Merfolk) using the [url] tags, the closing bracket in the thread name will break the url tag. To fix this problem, always put your links in quotes. So instead of [url=http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?8158-[DTB]-Merfolk], do [url="http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?8158-[DTB]-Merfolk"].

6. Please continue to report any bugs or concerns you have. We're still working on some final changes to the new setup, but we're getting closer to being done. Your patience and help are appreciated.

Phoenix Ignition

01-27-2010, 03:19 PM

Not a bug but you also didn't mention it: Are you going to make the signatures smaller? They're quite large and annoying right now. Especially when people use Quotes.

Nightmare

01-27-2010, 03:21 PM

Hot shit. Video.

http://vimeo.com/6148293

Zach Tartell

01-27-2010, 04:08 PM

Yeah guys, I'm on a 15" laptop screen, or alternatively a 17" monitor screen and everything looks fine to me. Screenshots?

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/lonelybaritone/untitled-1.jpg

The green line should extend all the way to the left of the screen.

The pink line is how wide the person-spec bar should be.

socialite

01-27-2010, 04:12 PM

Awesome 9 year old operating system screen shot.

If you hit the middle blue button at the top right of the window it should re size the window and help with your scrolling problem. :)

Zilla

01-27-2010, 04:33 PM

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/lonelybaritone/untitled-1.jpg
I lol'ed.

The userinfo box was 200 pixels wide. It's now 160. That's going to have to be good enough. Stop watching so much TV.

HdH_Cthulhu

01-27-2010, 06:46 PM

This f*** screenshot is to big! now i have to scroll!

Pinder

01-27-2010, 07:14 PM

.

Zilla, the Magic card backs look great!

I agree, but is there any way we can make them smaller? I don't remember the envelope icons ever being that big.

edit - Also, I'm already too lazy to look up cards if people don't use the tags so I can hover over. Is there any way to have it able to parse the MWS decklist format? A lot of people just straight copy paste.

Zilla

01-27-2010, 07:30 PM

I'll have to take a look at vBulletin's current options with regards to language censoring, but in theory we could simply have vBulletin parse any MWS tags as null characters so they just automatically disappear when posted. If not, we can talk to the guy who created the card linking plugin and see if he has the time or inclination to do that.

MMogg

01-27-2010, 07:33 PM

Not a bug but you also didn't mention it: Are you going to make the signatures smaller? They're quite large and annoying right now. Especially when people use Quotes.

Speaking of signatures, a nice minor tweek would be to make the line between the unique post content and the post signature thicker. It's so thin/light at the moment it is difficult to distinguish between the two sections.

Edit: I'd also like to remind you of the "Go to first new post" link problem. That's probably the worst part of the update so far.

Zilla

01-27-2010, 07:57 PM

I'd also like to remind you of the "Go to first new post" link problem. That's probably the worst part of the update so far.
Can you give me more details on the problem you're having with it? It seems to be working properly for me.

I'll darken up the dividing line a bit.

Jak

01-27-2010, 08:12 PM

My biggest problem is that some posts are half the text box while others go all the way across like normal.

MMogg

01-27-2010, 08:13 PM

Can you give me more details on the problem you're having with it? It seems to be working properly for me.

I'll darken up the dividing line a bit.

It's not working. When I click the link it takes me to the last page not the post.
Edit: I don't think it matters in this case, but I'm using Google Chrome.

The signature looks much much better! Thanks!!

Zilla

01-27-2010, 08:19 PM

My biggest problem is that some posts are half the text box while others go all the way across like normal.
Fuck. What browser?

It's not working. When I click the link it takes me to the last page not the post.
Hrm. I'm using Chrome and it works fine for me. If you right click on the link and Inspect, does the url include #XXXXXX at the end for the post number? If so, it should be jumping properly. Have you tried it on a thread where you're already on the last page?

Jak

01-27-2010, 08:29 PM

Ugh just clicked the "reply to thread" instead of "post quick reply". Whatever, too lazy to go back and quote.

I am using firefox and some random posts just get skinny.

MMogg

01-27-2010, 08:34 PM

Hrm. I'm using Chrome and it works fine for me. If you right click on the link and Inspect, does the url include #XXXXXX at the end for the post number? If so, it should be jumping properly. Have you tried it on a thread where you're already on the last page?

No post #, and yup. :( Weird.

Edit: there are no current threads for me to retry. I'll try again next time there are. But before the last post I made, I had checked the Raise, Raise Raise thread, which I am sure I just checked and it took me to the last page. Somewhere else in this thread someone mentioned the same bug. Has it always been working correctly for you, Zilla?

Edit, part deux: yeah, I just tried again with this thread thanks to PI's post and it took me to the top of the page. The URL is:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16268-WTF-is-Going-On-With-the-Site&p=423769

Phoenix Ignition

01-27-2010, 08:40 PM

Fuck. What browser?

This happens to me on my iPhone.

Zilla

01-27-2010, 08:58 PM

Ugh just clicked the "reply to thread" instead of "post quick reply". Whatever, too lazy to go back and quote.

I am using firefox and some random posts just get skinny.
Hmmm. It will be extremely difficult for me to fix unless I can reproduce the problem. Can you tell me what version of Firefox you're running (Help>About), and if possible provide a screenshot?

Zilla

01-27-2010, 09:01 PM

Edit, part deux: yeah, I just tried again with this thread thanks to PI's post and it took me to the top of the page. The URL is:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16268-WTF-is-Going-On-With-the-Site&p=423769
Well shit. The same link for me looks like:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16268-WTF-is-Going-On-With-the-Site/page5#post423769

Now I need to try and figure out why it's parsing differently for us when we're both using the same browser. What version are you running?

MMogg

01-27-2010, 09:04 PM

4.0.249.78 (36714)

To make things even more fucked up for you, I just tried to use the "First New Post" link in IE and it took me to the top of page 4 in this thread, even though I obviously have posted/read page 5.

Zilla

01-27-2010, 09:14 PM

Well it bases your first new post based on a cookie set for the browser specifically. Have you looked at the site before in IE? If so, you probably last looked at it on page 4.

As for Chrome, we're using identical releases and builds. I haven't the faintest idea how it could be parsing the code so differently. I'll do some research on it and see what I can find, but it may take a little while. I still have a big ol' list of things I need to tweak and fix.

I can't help but wonder how much of this stuff will get fixed when vBulletin 4.x is out of beta. >.>

MMogg

01-27-2010, 09:18 PM

Zilla

01-27-2010, 10:17 PM

You mean, Note to self: when updating the site for the first time in years don't do it to a beta. ;)
Funny thing... I didn't realize it was still in beta until after I spent 170 bucks on it. :<

It was the only upgrade option available, and I wouldn't have been able to get a lot of the new features implemented without something newer than the 4 year old build we were running before. C'est la vie, I guess. We'll upgrade again once it's out of beta and probably go through all this stuff again. I can't wait.

Phoenix Ignition

01-27-2010, 10:27 PM

I'm still pleased with the signature fix. :)

+1, Thanks a lot Zilla for all the time and money spent! This is probably quite annoying and tiresome for you but I know a lot of us can't get by our boring days without The Source to browse through during classes or work.

On a side note, you could be directly responsible for dropping my GPA :tongue:

AngryTroll

01-27-2010, 10:37 PM

Signature fix is much, much better. Card Links are amazing-that's long been my only beef with The Source.

If I click into a forum, then click the little blue link that should jump to the first unread post, I end up on the top of the last page. If I click the View First Unread link on that page, it will then jump me to the appropriate place. I'm using the newest release of Chrome.

Bardo

01-27-2010, 10:38 PM

I have the same problem as noted earlier in this thread: some posts are like half the page before the break to the next line, others go all across the page. If I expand or reduce my browser window size, it scales both proportionately. This happens on my work computer (Windows XP? and IE 7? Maybe 8?) and home (Mac OS X and Safari 4.x). I'm home and can't remember the details of my work computer.

Like above, Phoenix Ignition's quote (of MMogg) and reply are half the size as Zilla (quoting a different post by MMogg). Weird.

MMogg

01-27-2010, 10:43 PM

AngryTroll

01-27-2010, 10:45 PM

If I click on the thread title over on the right side of the board, where this thread is the most current post in that particular forum, it works just fine.

It seems to just be the little arrows on the left side of each individual thread.

caiomarcos

01-27-2010, 10:46 PM

Every first and last post in each page has a different size for the line break, it's smaller than the other posts. What's happening?

And also I'm having the same problem as MMog, the link to last unread takes me to the last page, not last post. I'm running Chrome 4.0.249.78 (36714).

Bardo

01-27-2010, 10:55 PM

Every first and last post in each page has a different size for the line break, it's smaller than the other posts. What's happening?

Yep, that's it. Every first and last post on every page.

Your post was like that when I posted this; when I refreshed, it went all across the page (since this is the last post right now).

FoulQ

01-28-2010, 03:08 AM

I'm also noticing the differences in length that seems to be bothering some people (I use firefox), and I like the signature change, but one thing that is distressing is how I'm unable to use the search function. I have always really enjoyed finding posts about a certain card in a thread, certain posts by somebody who I think knows what they are talking about, or just searching a funny thread for a hilarious post that I remember.

Zilla

01-28-2010, 05:00 AM

So many bugs, so little time... Bardo, if you can consistently reproduce that width bug, then I'm going to need to get with you on AIM and have you refresh the site while I test various changes to the CSS to see if they fix the problem. Welcome to my world. Sucker.

FoulQ - why can't you use the search function?

Misplayer

01-28-2010, 08:04 AM

First of all, props for the time, money and effort that goes into making this site awesome for all of us.

Unfortunately I do most of my Source reading while at work and our company standard browser is Internet Explorer 6, probably so that people like myself get annoyed when we try to take a break from work and read some internet and nothing is formatted correctly. I don't expect support for such a lousy and outdated browser because I'm probably the only one who is subjected to it, but I'm just throwing it out there. For what it's worth I'm experiencing the "First unread post" issue previously mentioned and the narrow first/last post on each page. I'm also dealing with a lot of stupid incompatibilities, but again, I'm chalking them up to a horribly outdated browser.

It's not supposed to look like this, right?
http://i48.tinypic.com/732hit.jpg

Or this, I take it (I'm not sure what the last grayed-out box is, multi-quote checkbox I'm guessing?):

http://i45.tinypic.com/2hn5qpd.jpg

Illissius

01-28-2010, 09:19 AM

Glad to see I'm not the only one with the jump-to-newest-post bug. I get the same kind of URLs as MMogg. And I'm using Opera so it's not just some Chrome thing.

Zilla

01-28-2010, 01:09 PM

It's not supposed to look like this, right?
Oh man. I'm sorry, but IE6 is a lost cause. It's a web developer's nightmare, which will thankfully be disappearing compeltely in the next few years. Right now IE6 users comprise less than 1% of all browsers, so developers are basically ignoring its shortcomings completely.

The greyed out squares you're seeing aren't checkboxes, the .png images. They're like .gif images except they support 256 levels of transparency, so, for example, you can create a transparent drop shadow that will show the background color behind it. Unfortunately, IE6 doesn't support them at all. Basically you're seeing the site without any images at all except the logo at the top.

Unfortunately there's not much I can do for you. Is upgrading to IE7 or 8 out of the question?

As for the first post and width bugs, I'll take a look at them and see what, if anything, I can do about them.

Fons

01-28-2010, 01:43 PM

Oh man. I'm sorry, but IE6 is a lost cause. It's a web developer's nightmare, which will thankfully be disappearing compeltely in the next few years. Right now IE6 users comprise less than 1% of all browsers, so developers are basically ignoring its shortcomings completely.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Says differently.

Pinder

01-28-2010, 02:25 PM

We're a forum of nerds. No one here should be using IE6 unless they're at work or something, and if that's the case they should understand that the site's not going to function properly on such shitty, outdated software (fyi, they use IE6 where I work).

Also, this (http://www.thedonutproject.com/2009/05/22/overly-judgemental-ie6-splash-pages/).

MMogg

01-28-2010, 07:09 PM

Quick question: have primate message mailbox capacities changed?

FoulQ

01-28-2010, 07:37 PM

FoulQ - why can't you use the search function?

For instance, I just searched the goblins thread for "piledriver." Obviously there should be a million mentions. But, the only hits that come up are those that happen AFTER the new software was installed (as well as, oddly, the opening post by Machinus). I consider this to be a serious problem as I consider the forums as much of an archive as it is a discussion board, and this could potentially mean that threads like goblins/merfolk/zoo could become even more repititious than they already are.

The other thing that is slightly uncomfortable (but not a real problem like above) is when you search for posts by user. It used to be that as you were typing their name, their exact name would pop up as an option. So for instance, the other day I was searching for "InfamousBearAssassin" but nothing came up. That is because there is a The at the beginning of his username. With the old search function, if I had typed that up, an option right below the search box would have come up for me to select that exact user. Also, this search by user appears to follow the same flaw in that it only comes up with results of posts that have been posted since the forum change and the very opening post of the thread. (So, for example, I searched for "Machinus" in the goblins thread, and it only came up with the opening post and nothing else)

Illissius

01-29-2010, 05:29 AM

Quick question: have primate message mailbox capacities changed?

Sorry, the new software still only allows for one monkey per person.

arebennian

01-29-2010, 05:38 AM

For instance, I just searched the goblins thread for "piledriver." Obviously there should be a million mentions. But, the only hits that come up are those that happen AFTER the new software was installed (as well as, oddly, the opening post by Machinus). I consider this to be a serious problem as I consider the forums as much of an archive as it is a discussion board, and this could potentially mean that threads like goblins/merfolk/zoo could become even more repititious than they already are.

Ditto. There are fringe cards that I like to know the reason for their exclusion from a deck // format. There are discussions on several cards that I would like to re-read but the search function can't find them.

crow_mw

01-29-2010, 08:41 AM

I am also experiencing the first new post issue reported earlier. I am using Firefox 3.5.

Hovering over 'Go to first new post' shows that the actual link is thread_addres&goto=new_post. Upon clicking it I am redirected to the same address as MMogg thread_addres&p=423769. I would like to note however, that the tip mentioned by Illissius on third page (using View first unread function) partially does work. Just to make it clear by 'View first undread' we are referring to the link in the actual thread, next to search functions, thread tools etc. When I am on the page with the first unread post the tooltip of that function looks exactly as Zilla mentioned thread_addres/page5#post423769 and upon clicking it I am redirected to the actual first post. However, if I am on a different page, the tooltip of 'View first undread' and its behavior is the same as the one of the 'Go to first new post' arrow in thread list.

tl;dr -> goto=new_post for some reason resolves into incorrect address of post page (&p=xxx) instead of the actual post (/pagex#postxxx) when we are not on the page with the actual post.

Now, while I understand that we will likely just have to wait for the board software developers to fix it I wonder how much control do you have over the goto=new_post function. Maybe it would be possible to change the behavior not to resolve into the wierd /pagex#postxxx format but to the standard p=xxx#post=xxx (the way 'view post' link when you quote someone works)?

Also, I am surprised that the data for first new posts is stored in cookies not on server side. I did get the feeling it was stored server-side before upgrade? I use the site both from work computer and home computer and the 'first unread' information was always correct when I switched computer.

heroicraptor

01-29-2010, 01:14 PM

words

Quote links don't work. If you click the >> after the quotee's name, it will take you to the first post in the thread.

Sanguine Voyeur

01-29-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote links don't work. If you click the >> after the quotee's name, it will take you to the first post in the thread.This happens to me too. I was brought to the first page looking for that monkey mailbox quote.

Hikeeba!

01-29-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote links don't work. If you click the >> after the quotee's name, it will take you to the first post in the thread.

It looks like the redirection on the backend isn't adding the page # in after you click the link.

The link you posted to crow_mw's post is: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?p=424310#post424310

Which redirects to: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16268-WTF-is-Going-On-With-the-Site#post424310

It should redirect to: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16268-WTF-is-Going-On-With-the-Site/page6#post424310

Zilla

01-29-2010, 09:09 PM

I've been doing some reading on the vBulletin support forums, and it looks like a lot of the bugs people are experiencing are inherent in the software, which means we're simply going to have to wait for maintenance patches to fix them. Some of the problems have temporary workarounds that can be manually applied (the post width problem is one of them). I will be taking some time this weekend to go through and apply as many of these fixes as possible, and maintenance patch 4.0.2 will be released on Feb. 4, so things should improve a bit soon. I appreciate everyone's patience.

Also, we'll be starting a thread soon where people can post bugs they find, as well as provide suggestions on other ways we can further improve the site, be it software, design, or organization related. I'm going to wait until after the weekend's updates to start this in order to avoid redundancy.

As a side note, screenshots which illustrate bugs you're experiencing are very helpful in attempting to fix the problem, particularly with display issues. Thanks.

EDIT: The post width bug should be fixed. If someone who's been experiencing this problem can confirm or deny, that'd be great.

EDIT 2: the broken quote linkbacks and the broken Last Unread Post links are both known issues (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/project.php?issueid=35213) in 4.0.1, and there are currently no workarounds. We're going to have to wait for a patch to fix these issues, unfortunately.

caiomarcos

01-29-2010, 10:19 PM

EDIT: The post width bug should be fixed. If someone who's been experiencing this problem can confirm or deny, that'd be great.

Fixed here. Thanks!

keys

02-01-2010, 06:23 PM

donation sent! ty

MMogg

02-01-2010, 08:57 PM

Just to be sure, the site is really buggy yesterday and today for everyone? I could hardly access the site yesterday and when I could it was ultra slow. It would never let me post a message and today i got a double post. The site is still very slow today. I'm guessing the site is being updated or something?

Bardo

02-01-2010, 09:05 PM

Quoting Zilla in the Mod Lounge: "The site was down because our host had to replace a faulty hard drive in our server. It was emergency maintenance, totally unrelated to the new software upgrade. The following sluggishness was a result of the following RAID backup, which hogged much of the server's I/O capacity."

RogueMTG

02-03-2010, 07:53 AM

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Says differently.

To be fair, those statistics are only for w3schools.com, note how rediculously high FF is.

Also this:

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

IE6 usage has thankfully been slowly decreasing, at the college I work at (as the web developer), we've seen it drop from 11% of our traffic to about 6% in the last year.

Unfortunately we're not comfortable abandoning support for it until it reaches the 1-3% range. Hopefully this happens before the 2014 "no longer supported date" that microsoft set... but until then my CSS will be riddled with hacks D:.

In other news:

Potential bug: I've had problems staying logged-in lately, it appears as though it only keeps my session when I'm on the homepage, or if I navigate back to the homepage after logging in somewhere else. If I do log-in somewhere else it seems to log-in fine (log-in page>redirect, no incorrect information or anything), but it doesn't actually give me access until I go back to home.