Scroll Rack

[(nameless one)]

Are there any decks that utilizes Scroll Rack? The card essentially doubles the size of your hand. Why isnt it widely used?

[practical joke]

Some are testing/playing it in 43.land next to treasure hunt.

Around Turn 2, there are better things to play(i.e. goyf, standstill, counterbalance,exhume, more goblins and merfolk lords)
.you have a so-called bigger handsize, but it does not improve your draws further on in the game or give CA in return, unless you start fetching like crazy. SDT doesn't do this as well, but influences your draws a bit more and can effectively be considered a cantrip if needed. ( handsize +1 and modifies topdecks, where scroll rack gives you the cards you already had unless you fetch them away).

It's a great card, but gets beaten by SDT.

[(nameless one)]

I have 3 Scroll Rack and I really want to use it, especially that theyre about $15-20 now.

[SilverGreen]

The price was raised up by Ben Bleiwess from SCG by the time WWK was been spoiled. It was also the time him and Smmenen were invited to WotC's headquarters in order to discuss the Eternal formats and the Reserved List. The current saying is that the price was raised due to the interaction between Scroll Rack and new spoiled (at the time) Treasure Hunt, but some also say that he got some kind of "privileged information" during his visit, may it be a new spoiler, or more likely, a future unbanning. If it reveals to be an unbanning, it's not so difficult to imagine which card would be, isn't it?

[(nameless one)]

I already have a playset of those waiting.

[android]

You would think that someone would have made a deck with Doomsday and Scroll Rack by now. It's basically 2nd turn win.

T1: City of Traitors or Ancient Tomb -> Scroll Rack
T2: Swamp/Petal/Whatever -> Ritual -> Doomsday -> activate Scroll Rack -> Play out combo hand (maybe wish) IGG Tendrils LED whatever

Could use disruption or protection but what more do you want with fast combo?

[herbig]

You would think that someone would have made a deck with Doomsday and Scroll Rack by now. It's basically 2nd turn win.

T1: City of Traitors or Ancient Tomb -> Scroll Rack
T2: Swamp/Petal/Whatever -> Ritual -> Doomsday -> activate Scroll Rack -> Play out combo hand (maybe wish) IGG Tendrils LED whatever

Could use disruption or protection but what more do you want with fast combo?

So you have 3 cards in hand and 1 colorless floating. What three cards did you tutor for?

[android]

Always go second wise guy.

[emidln]

Sensei's Divining Top is a better Scroll Rack in a Doomsday deck. Scroll Rack is good, but only as much as you can afford to run 2cc sorcery-speed solutions that are sorta redundant with SDT.

[android]

I don't really agree with that. One is more explosive, the other is more consistent and serves a broader range of functionality. If you want to load combos, maybe you build your deck with a few options. IGG/Tendrils/LED, exhume/Iona, Painter/Grindstone, maybe even Stifle/Nought. You're going to have to either win right away or find a way to not draw out. Piles can include options for different number of cards depending on hand size. There will be times where you have the full 5+ cards in hand when you cast Doomsday. Obviously you can go for a more resilient win if you can get more cards. Three card options are going to be extremely limited but you could either wait a turn to activate Scroll Rack or you could take a risky route and grab something that could win in a couple turns. No matter what ideas I present here, there's always going to be someone who's going to say, "well I just swords that" or "FoW, bitch" or other constructive comments. Every strategy in Magic has flaws or weaknesses. Obviously any strategy involving Doomsday is going to be an all or nothing shot. That's not saying that it shouldn't be explored.

[emidln]

You really have no idea how Doomsday works do you? The reason SDT is good with the card is that it doesn't require anything else in hand to build a lethal stack. If you do have extra cards in hand, you can build stacks to inflate storm count, but you don't necessarily need to. Adding in non-storm cards to a Doomsday deck dilutes the deck's effectiveness.

[android]

[snip - Warned for flaming] Of course I know how the card works. Going off with any storm combo deck, you are going to have to take some risks and build in some redundancy.

[emidln]

Redundancy to draw into Doomsday piles is already provided in decks that play Doomsday. In addition to Sensei's Divining Top, they play Brainstorm and some number of Ponder. As I've said before, Scroll Rack works, but its functionality is similar to that of SDT and is quite a bit worse if you happen to draw one of each.

[hi-val]

The price was raised up by Ben Bleiwess from SCG by the time WWK was been spoiled. It was also the time him and Smmenen were invited to WotC's headquarters in order to discuss the Eternal formats and the Reserved List. The current saying is that the price was raised due to the interaction between Scroll Rack and new spoiled (at the time) Treasure Hunt, but some also say that he got some kind of "privileged information" during his visit, may it be a new spoiler, or more likely, a future unbanning. If it reveals to be an unbanning, it's not so difficult to imagine which card would be, isn't it?

Conspurracy!

Essentially: Treasure Hunt gets spoiled. Me and some other meandeckers, including Steve, tell each other to pick up a set. Steve gets a set, after being on the fence about the card.

If there was something secret they were trying to exploit, SCG sure as crap wouldn't be selling any Racks and they also would be buying up as many as they could find at low prices. I don't think I'd try to get the card price to go up a lot if I were intent on making some dollars on it for an as-of-yet unspoiled card.

The price is a direct result of both the theoretical combination with Treasure Hunt and the real effect of speculation.

[kilukru]

I got a noob quetion about scroll rack and a card that is now banned : goblin recruiter.

Where those two cards ever worth playing togeter?

[android]

Sorry for the outburst. Genuine apology to emidln.

Anyhow, the card being discussed is Scroll Rack and I just mentioned that it could work with Doomsday. Whether or not Top is better in a Doomsday build is open to interpretation or further debate. Granted, in the Doomsday threads the discussion gravitates toward whatever build is deemed optimal, this still doesn't prove that whatever optimal build is going to place in any top 8s. So whatever, I have no empirical data so not worth debating when I don't have a proven deck list or record to show here.

As for Scroll Rack being worth more than the $2-4 it sat at for the past 10 years, yes I think the cards worth quite a bit more. There really isn't another card that costs 1/2/3 that can do what scroll rack does. It's incredibly versatile. You can use it to hide cards, to draw and shuffle (with fetch lands), to tutor and draw, to dig for combo pieces, to stack you deck, etc. Not to mention, it reusable. Is it better than SDT? In some several cases, yes it is. Why doesn't it see more play? I'm not really sure, it's always one of those cards that seems so close to being busted yet nobody has the balls to make it work and generate interest.

[(nameless one)]

You could... stack your topdeck with goblins and Scroll them to you hand. It was never use and I would say its suboptimal. You are better abusing Goblin Recruiters with Goblin Ringleaders.

Scroll Rack used to be abused with Land Tax. Fetch three lands, and swap them with your top deck. The best part is the shuffling part caused by Land Tax so you get a fresh top deck.

[kilukru]

So, Land Tax +Scroll Rack + Treasure Hunt = a lot of cards! got it.

[jrsthethird]

This card was sick in my old school Extended Draco Explosion deck.

[dahcmai]

It would make Mighty Quinn a heck of a force all of a sudden. The original deck with Scroll Tax in it was a nice controllish style also. I think I still have the list lying around here somewhere. Quinn would love to have a nice card draw engine I bet. I really hope they do take that card off the list, I always had a soft spot for it.

[(nameless one)]

It would make Mighty Quinn a heck of a force all of a sudden. The original deck with Scroll Tax in it was a nice controllish style also. I think I still have the list lying around here somewhere. Quinn would love to have a nice card draw engine I bet. I really hope they do take that card off the list, I always had a soft spot for it.

Same here. Although it wouldn't be called Quinn anymore if it had Tax Rack. It would be known as Parfait.

[dahcmai]

Same here. Although it wouldn't be called Quinn anymore if it had Tax Rack. It would be known as Parfait.


Heh, yeah I forget about that. Though Parfait was a vintage deck for the most part. I miss Parfait, such a fun deck. To be honest it would probably have a new name now since it has quite a few new choices than it used to have. It might not even look like those old decks of yesterday. I'd probably still call it Parfait anyway.