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morgan_coke
03-10-2010, 12:33 PM
Dear Wizards,

First of all, I'd like to say thank you. Thank you so much for turning on Legacy online on March 31st. This is something I, and many other players have been waiting for since Mirage was first released online. Given the lack of a paper Legacy community in many parts of the country, this a huge boon to many format enthusiasts who were previously either locked out of the format entirely, or restricted to subpar platforms like MagicWorkstation.

That said, this announcement does highlight, and will exacerbate one big problem that has been building for awhile now: Online Card Availability. Unlike paper, where there are thousands of copies of even the rarest P9 cards, the online supply of many Legacy staples is severely restricted. The last time this situation was a significant problem was pre-rotation Extended, where cards from Invasion, Planeshift, and Apocalypse were very expensive when they could be found at all. While your company does not directly participate in the secondary market, WOTC does have a strong and long term interest in tournament play. The effect of these prices and card rarities on tournament play was profound, and the metagame was severely affected. Two prime examples of this were Rock and Scepter Chant decks. While both were very common and popular in paper Extended tournaments during this time period, they were nearly invisible online due to the high cost and rarity of Orim's Chant and Pernicious Deed. Many, many other decks that would have liked to use these cards were also restricted or forced to play sub-standard alternatives, such as... well, none really because both of those cards were, and are such unique spells. This in turn disproportionately benefited decks which had bad matchups vs. Rock and Chant, further warping the online metagame.

The same problem has the potential to affect the new online legacy metagame, except in this case, the primary limiting card will be Force of Will, followed by the majority of rares from Mirage through Urza's Saga. The problem with IPA rares will also likely resurface. All of these shortages will constrict the inflow of new players to what should be a vibrant and growing format. Once there, many players will discover that the rarity of Force of Will creates a format whose metagame is biased towards a lack of interactivity, a type of gameplay majority of players have repeatedly described as their least favorite.

If players try out a new format with high barriers to entry, large scale card scarcity, and then find a format full of non-interactive decks, while, its likely that many of them will not come back. Without large, or at least medium scale player involvement, it is unlikely that a viable tournament scene can be maintained.

Fortunately, there is an easy solution to all of these problems in the digital world of MTGO that is unavailable to the paper game. Simply put every expansion set from Mirage through the last set to rotate out of extended (currently Onslaught, soon to be Mirrodin) up for sale as booster packs in the store and run drafts for each set on a weekly, rotating basis. This will achieve a number of functions. 1) This gives players new to MTGO a chance to have access to cards that were only available online prior to their introduction to the digital game. 2) This lets players who took a break from Magic for several years a chance to play draft formats they missed while out of the game. 3) It increases the supply of cards for all players, which encourages more people to play. 4) It will become impossible for the player base demand to outstrip supply, meaning that the eternal format can grow well, eternally. 5) It will help online dealers because it is much more profitable to sell 10 FoW's at 20 tix in a week than one FoW at 200 tix. 6) By putting sets out of circulation for seven years during their Extended legal run, the collectibility of the game will be preserved, as the STD/EXT player base will always outnumber the Legacy base. 7) Continuous printing will prevent hoarding and market manipulation, which is possible given the extremely small numbers of certain cards online and has happened before in the past. 8) This will increase the profit margin for MTGO. The marginal cost of selling an additional pack of cards that have already been coded into the system is essentially zero. By making Legacy legal packs online available for sale, you will be able to rack up extra profits at no additional cost.

In closing, I'd just like to repeat my earlier thanks for making Legacy an MTGO supported format, and hope that you take the steps necessary to support the format and make it widely accessible to all players, whether they bought into early sets when there was no guarantee of an eventual Legacy format or not, and accessible regardless of when they joined Magic Online. It is my sincere hope that you continue to display the kind of forethought and care that has kept MTG going strong for over 15 years and make the profitable, growth friendly choice in this matter.

Sincerely,

Sean D. DeCoursey
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paK0
03-10-2010, 12:56 PM
Isn't this the version of the "Online restricted list"?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I read somewhere that WotC will not rerelease stuff online.

I think it was because they did this with a block once and a lot of people bitched around!

But I may just not be up to date and WotC already took that back^^.

FoolofaTook
03-10-2010, 01:25 PM
Excellent letter. You're taking them on right at the heart of their business model and I think you deserve an answer one way or the other. If nothing else it would bring clarity to the issue.

Elfrago
03-10-2010, 01:44 PM
You solution is exactly what they're already doing with the nix-tix drafts, except it's for all expansions and not only those out of extended. You know, other formats have the same problem, try to buy a Dark Depths for example.

SilverGreen
03-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Given the lack of a paper Legacy community in many parts of the World
It's better this way. ;)

Your letter is opportune and pertinent, and I not only endorse it, but would also like to ask you to share with us any response you get on it from Wizards. Nice done!

But I think it isn't necessary to mention the "subpar MWS platform" in the letter, Wizards already tried to shut it down more than once, we don't need to fuel up their unpleasantness even more.

herbig
03-10-2010, 02:42 PM
I don't mean to rain on the praise party, but haven't you been paying attention to real life Legacy lately? I could pick your letter apart and point out it's flaws but I'll just say I don't think it's good.

walkerdog
03-10-2010, 05:52 PM
Wizards has stated that once a set is off-sale in their online store, it won't return. To make allowances for demand of cards that seen a high demand, they have nix-tix and/or nix packs drafts that rotate formats each week. They are already doing what you want them to do.

morgan_coke
03-10-2010, 07:51 PM
I know about the nix packs drafts, but there is a very, very big difference between the amount of cards generated by some, even a large number, of drafts firing every week and having packs available for sale in the store. Given the length of time some of these sets were available for - Exodus was literally on sale for a total of what, 10 days? - there simply is not even remotely close to enough product to meet the kind of demand a supported Legacy Online format will generate. Dangerlinto has written extensively on this problem over on Classicquarter regarding the supply of Force of Wills. It is simply not there. It's not like say, Dual Lands in paper where there are tens of thousands of them. Many of these cards exist in the high triple digit/low four digit quantity on MTGO.

This was still a problem a few years ago when MODO regularly had only a few hundred players online at any one time, now the regular number online is a few thousand. The supply was simply never created in the first place because the initial online player base was so small (IPA and to a lesser extent, OTJ), or because the "print run" was so small and short term to only a niche audience that it was never sold in high quantities (MED1&2, Mirage through Exodus).

walkerdog
03-10-2010, 08:39 PM
I know about the nix packs drafts, but there is a very, very big difference between the amount of cards generated by some, even a large number, of drafts firing every week and having packs available for sale in the store. Given the length of time some of these sets were available for - Exodus was literally on sale for a total of what, 10 days? - there simply is not even remotely close to enough product to meet the kind of demand a supported Legacy Online format will generate. Dangerlinto has written extensively on this problem over on Classicquarter regarding the supply of Force of Wills. It is simply not there. It's not like say, Dual Lands in paper where there are tens of thousands of them. Many of these cards exist in the high triple digit/low four digit quantity on MTGO.

This was still a problem a few years ago when MODO regularly had only a few hundred players online at any one time, now the regular number online is a few thousand. The supply was simply never created in the first place because the initial online player base was so small (IPA and to a lesser extent, OTJ), or because the "print run" was so small and short term to only a niche audience that it was never sold in high quantities (MED1&2, Mirage through Exodus).

IPA was a problem... until the current team took over. They ran tournies that payed out nicely in IPA which broke the back of hoarders who had scooped up any extra cards being hoarded. We also saw occurences such as this with MED1, 2, and 3. FoW was pushing 80 tix for a while due to extreme hoarding combined with low supply. Worth set up a decent ME1 payout in some tournies, and voila, FoW dropped as low as 45 recently. Duals were hoarded heavily for a while: tournies payed heaviliy in MED2/3 and dual prices dropped by at least 1/3 across the board.

Wizards will not make the cards cheap for you to buy. They will however make them aquirable.

You complain that Exodus can't be bought... I can earn 5+ packs in a given day just playing in Classic 2-mans. It can be aquirred with ease, and nix pax drafts lets you get into drafts without product.

EDIT:

Also, people don't very often crack packs. Even dealers have given up on cracking eternal sets as the EV tends to be awful (although Exodus isn't bad atm with 4 $20+ cards).

ImpinAintEasy
03-16-2010, 05:28 PM
I've grown tired of this statement right here:

"While your company does not directly participate in the secondary market, WOTC does have a strong and long term interest in tournament play."

This is the biggest bunch of crap spewed from the mouths of corporate greed of all time.

If they didn't care about the secondary market then someone please explain to me why Force of Will was printed as a rare in Master's Edition 1 when it is uncommon in the paper world. I understand the logic behind it, but had this just stayed the same as paper we wouldn't have Force of Will @ 70 currently.

WOTC knew that the values of certain cards would be higher because of their success in Legacy:Pants. Therefore, they took it upon themselves to change rarity values.

Look at the current sets for example. They know certain Mythic cards will be high in price before they print them. They do not however have the luxary of past experiences before putting those cards at their current rarity slots.

You are sadly mistaken if you think for one minute that they have nothing to do with the secondary market online. Small print runs, changed rarity, select chase rares in crappy sets. They have everything to do with expensive Legacy cards online due to poor planning for players and to much focus on profits.

I own almost every Legacy staple needed, have spent way to much on this game, but would be happy to see them do something drastic in order to fix the card shortage problem. Would I be pissed about losing value in my cards, sure, but if it meant helping further the format online, I'd be all for it. Opening packs for purchase in the store is not the solution, not many people crack packs, plus nix tix drafts are cool, but who wants to draft crappy limited formats like Med1,2. Not to mention try buying draft sets for Tempest Block, cheapest I've seen is 12 if you are patient, usually you are looking at more like 14. I don't know about you, but when people can Draft ZZW for 12.5, suddenly nix tix at 14 isn't so cheap. And don't even get me started about a draft set of med1,2,3.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but they better figure it out fast, underground sea has risen from $41 on 3-8-10 to $50. I guess that makes at least someone happy: The Hoarders.

Badmoonz
03-17-2010, 02:11 PM
ImpinAintEasy is absolutely right.

As for MTGO and the secondary market, I think they make a good deal of money from it. Typically, they can get some profit out of the secondary market from the people who choose to buy or play tournaments for boosters for chase rares. This happens in paper also. Additionally, they get profit out of the secondary market from people buying singles from bots. If you're looking at a playset of Force of Wills from a bot that's asking 280 tickets, the fastest and safest way to get 280 tickets is by purchasing them from the Wizards store. Sure there are plenty of secondary options for acquiring tickets, but ultimately all tickets come from their store.

I don't think they have a big incentive too resupply the community high cost cards.

ImpinAintEasy
03-17-2010, 06:01 PM
ImpinAintEasy is absolutely right.


I don't think they have a big incentive too resupply the community high cost cards.


Agreed on Both accounts :laugh:

However, the only reason they should have incentive is to encourage player base grow. Maybe, just maybe they don't want the online community to get to large because we already have lag issues.

I certainly hope this isn't the case. I personally feel, just like in paper, there will be a "revised" edition released eventually to help satisfy the demands of certain format related cards. I can honestly say that if Force of Will gets over 100, I might just sell my playset in hopes of them being reprinted. For those keeping score at home, FOW currently sits at $75 online, Underground Sea at 52, Tropical at 34, Tundra at 36, Lion's Eye Diamond 50. Maybe these prices will settle down, but right now the sky is the limit.

FoolofaTook
03-17-2010, 06:30 PM
The MTGO Legacy scene will be an excellent test of WotC's intentions regarding reprints. There's no reserve list for MTGO and WotC has actually put the cards on the paper reserve list out in Master's Edition sets. So if there's a shortage of duals and other staples online that causes the cost of MTGO Legacy to skyrocket we'll know that that is the likely intent of WotC.

walkerdog
03-17-2010, 08:45 PM
The MTGO Legacy scene will be an excellent test of WotC's intentions regarding reprints. There's no reserve list for MTGO and WotC has actually put the cards on the paper reserve list out in Master's Edition sets. So if there's a shortage of duals and other staples online that causes the cost of MTGO Legacy to skyrocket we'll know that that is the likely intent of WotC.

Interestingly, the manager of MTGO has said that, "FoW will never be reprinted." That was soon after MED1 was printed though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they revise that at some point, or give us a ton of MED1 availability somehow (such as, say, 1/1/1 drafts for 10 tix and 0 pax or something).