Self produced cards

[(nameless one)]

Me and my buddy found a printing press where we could print cards that have the same qualities as a regular WotC print card. I believe it also uses the same technology as their older printing process. It passes the notable bend test. Before we actually pay $5 for our Tabernacles and Moats I would like to ask if we would actually be persecuted by the law in doing so?

Besides it's really hard to catch if it's fake or not.

[Maveric78f]

Of course you will. It's called counterfeiting.

[Sims]

Of course you will. It's called counterfeiting.

This.

If you're making them for yourself and only yourself then it's a high quality proxy - still not legal for sanctioned DCI play, which can bite you in the ass if anyone realizes it during a tournament.

If you're making them to sell, you're counterfeiting and can be prosecuted by WoTC. I doubt you've got the legal retainer that they do.

[(nameless one)]

That sucks...

I just wanted to utilize Moat on my Quinn deck without spending $150.

Would it work though outside of USA?

[Skeggi]

Would it work though outside of USA?
Sure, I suppose if you'd go to Somalia or something similar no-one there would hunt you down for counterfeiting game cards since they have no government or any other form of authority at the moment.

If you travel to any place in the world where they actually do respect copyright laws, you can't. I'm no lawyer by the way, this is just common sense talking.

[DrJones]

It's illegal, but that's what I suspect the chinese selling at eBay are doing, and I know several friends that have done the same in order to play Vintage, a long time ago (they didn't play tournaments, but I don't know if they still have the cards). I know counterfeits have been printed since at least revised, and I suspect that almost all power 9 and beta duals in circulation in mint and NM condition are counterfeits, which is the reason I don't (and won't ever) own any.

With an actual press, they are impossible to spot, and they only catch you if you do as Annorax did an put in your signature that you sell "real proxies" in eBay. He got banned for life from a lot of forums and from sanctioned tournaments, which is why I strongly advise not doing this.

[(nameless one)]

Cool...

Good thing I asked.

I guess I am stuck playing with half-assed but half priced decks for the rest of my life.

PS. Both are not on the Reserved List right?

[porcupinetreeman]

The fine is 250,000 dollars, just so you know.

Good Luck

[Skeggi]

PS. Both are not on the Reserved List right?
Moat and Tabernacle? Ofcourse they are.

Clicky (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy)

[DrJones]

The fine is 250,000 dollars, just so you know.

Good LuckDon't worry. Soon, the price of those cards will make the fine worth it.

[Madmaniac21]

Obv not to be sold, nor passed off in tournament play as real, but there is nothing wrong with making these and using them at your table-top, like very good proxies, right?

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If you're making them for yourself and only yourself then it's a high quality proxy - still not legal for sanctioned DCI play, which can bite you in the ass if anyone realizes it during a tournament.

If you're making them to sell, you're counterfeiting and can be prosecuted by WoTC. I doubt you've got the legal retainer that they do.


Just confirming this, derf.

[Cabal_chan]

Worst comes to worst and WotC kills Legacy, you might find a use for your printing press yet. :P

[dahcmai]

There was a case of this a long time ago back when Ice Age was new. I remember it quite well. People were making their own sets of power. It was only as proxies at first, then they sold them because they were such a good quality other people wanted a set. When a lot of these got into the Ebay and such markets, that's when the storm started and people realized there's someone making copies. They were darker than the normal cards (dark beta) and eventually Wizards tracked them down and prosecuted them to no tomorrow.

It's not worth the trouble. You saw what happened to those guys who spread rumors about coming sets. Yeah, they mean business.

[Malchar]

You should try making some fake spoiled cards from the new set just for kicks.

[troopatroop]

Omfg, every thread lately is just CRY CRY CRY! Magic is expensive WAH! Shut up!

of course you cant print your own cards and play with them in tournaments. Seriously?

[Otter]

Whatever you do, don't sell them. But if you made yourself a set of duals, that's a set of duals that you didn't have to buy, so they stay on the market for someone else to buy.

[Meekrab]

What company that owns a printing press is going to let you make copies of things that quite obviously have copyright symbols on them? Talk about stupid. Kinko's employees won't even make photocopies of textbooks for you anymore for fear of copyright suits, you really think the business that owns this press is going to open themselves up to that?

[Some Guy]

Me and my buddy found a printing press where we could print money that have the same qualities as a regular money. I believe it also uses the same technology as their older printing process. It passes the notable bend test. Before we actually pay $5 for our $5000 I would like to ask if we would actually be persecuted by the law in doing so?

Besides it's really hard to catch if it's fake or not.

[dahcmai]

Heh, that reminds me of something funny. I had a friend who wanted to make some really good proxies and asked a copier place to copy them on nice paper just as thick and in color. Of course they said they couldn't because of the copyright symbols on the bottom of the cards. He laughed and said they were his copyrights. They didn't believe him until he pulled out his wallet and pointed out his name as Dan Frazier. It's not the same one. lol

[Oiolosse]

I wouldn't sell them but trading them is an option. I would trade for some really good looking proxies of cards I know I'll never own.

[Anusien]

Also, not only is it a crime, but you're not allowed to use them in sanctioned tournaments. If you get caught, it's a DQ and probably a suspension.

[Nightmare]

Also, thanks to you posting this thread, it would be pretty simple for WotC to prosecute you. Good job.

Idiot.


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