First Legacy Daily Event Complete

[morgan_coke]

I'm transitioning this thread into Legacy Daily Event Discussion/Legacy MTGO Discussion. The results of the first three Legacy Daily Events are as follows:

DE #1: 26 players. 4-0: Dredge and Goblins. 3-1: Rock, Slide, Affinity, and Goblins.
DE #2: 26 players. 4-0: Merfolk and Zoo. 3-1: Merfolk, Slide, NOBant, Zoo, and Goblins.
DE #3: 31 players. 4-0: Merfolk and Zoo. 3-1: Goblins, Goblins, Zoo, NOBant, Imperial Painter, Death and Taxes, 8Ball, and CB/Top.
DE #4: 21 players. 4-0: Zoo and Reanimator. 3-1: NOBant, Goblins, Goblins, and Goblins.
DE #5: 27 players. 4-0: Dredge and Goblins. 3-1: Goblins, Zoo, Doomsday ANT, CB/Top, Goblins, Death and Taxes, and Zoo.
DE #6: 24 players. 4-0: Goblins and Death and Taxes. 3-1: Merfolk, MBC, Bant Survival, Enchantress, and NOBant.
DE #7: 33 players. 4-0: Enchantress and Goblins. 3-1: Merfolk, U/W Control, NOBant, Goblins, Goblins, Merfolk, Death and Taxes, Affinity, and Reanimator.

Totals:
Goblins: 15 $ finishes.
Zoo: 7 $ finishes.
Merfolk: 6 $ finishes.
NOBant: 5 $ finishes.
Death and Taxes: 4 $ finishes.
Several archetypes tied with 2 or less.


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Original postiness below, preserved for posterity, mostly due to slide love.

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I know feelings on this board are mixed regarding playing Legacy on MTGO, and all the cards aren't available, and Force of Will is prohibitively expensive. That said, this is still cool that the first event fired with 26 players. Two decks went 4-0: Dredge and Goblins. Five decks went 3-1: Rock, Slide, Affinity, and and Goblins.

I played the Slide list, facing Merfolk twice (once with 'Goyf, once without), Elf Combo, and Dream Halls w/Show and Tell/Progenitus.

I didn't really see any bugdet decisions in the decks I faced. All three blue decks ran Forces. And 26 players doesn't seem too bad considering this was the very first Online Legacy event ever. All replays can be seen on MTGO if you want to watch the games.

I think Legacy has a very good future online, but it will be restricted if WOTC doesn't do something to signal against hoarding, which is extremely doable given the limited number of many staple cards. On the other hand, I was able to put together my deck for roughly $450, most of which was the Mox Diamonds and duals.

Total blast to play, glad I was part of it.

Also, Slide, 3-1. Legitimate deck is legitimate.

Second Legacy Daily Event just finished.

26 total players again. Two 4-0 decks: Fishies and Zoo (although the Zoo deck split for its last match to get the 3 QPs). Five 3-1 decks: Fishies, Slide, NOCB Bant, Zoo, and Goblins.

Again, I played Slide, facing Belcher, Zoo, Bant Survival, and Enchantress. Lost to Belcher.

To address the completely silly debate over whether or not Slide is rock, I'd like to provide this link to an article I wrote a few years back (2005). It's titled Taking Another look at Slide (Rock) in Extended." (http://mtgsalvation.com/214-taking-another-look-at-slide-rock-in-extended.html)

So if you're counting, thats two tournaments, two 3-1 finishes for Astral Slide. Start unpacking your Stabilizers now. Or, go ahead and jump into Online Legacy. Only five sets are missing at this point, the last two Urza blocks, and all of Masques. Pretty much everything else is online.

Seriously, out of two tournaments, we've got four different 4-0's (Goblins, Dredge, Merfolk, and Zoo) and a wide variety of 3-1s. Looks like the kind of wide-open, fun format pretty much anyone should be happy to join.

Legacy Tournament #3: 31 players. Two 4-0 decks: Zoo and Merfolk. Eight 3-1 decks: Goblins, Zoo, 8-ball Affinity, CB/Top, Death and Taxes, NOCB Bant, Imperial Painter, and Goblins.

[walkerdog]

Don't call your deck slide when it is just a rock deck :) I mean, it's not, but it does a lot of the same stuff as the rock.

[DalkonCledwin]

Don't call your deck slide when it is just a rock deck :) I mean, it's not, but it does a lot of the same stuff as the rock.

and you know what his deck is how? the deck lists for todays daily's won't be posted till next week unless I am terribly mistaken.

[Cabal_chan]

Does anyone know if you have to have a subscription to watch replays? Or would a free demo work?

[DalkonCledwin]

Does anyone know if you have to have a subscription to watch replays? Or would a free demo work?

yeah you need to purchase an account, which costs 9.99 USD. I just tried logging on to the free trial and everything but the casual "new player" room is locked in that set up of MTGO.

[menace13]

It is only legitimate cos you're piloting it.
@Walker- Rockslide?? maybe??

Affinity??? really?? nooooooo??

[walkerdog]

Rockslide is a great deck name. So good. Until someone makes mudslide work.

[DalkonCledwin]

I am sorry, but are you guys serious?

I am watching the first round in which Morgan played right now, and already watched the final round. Suffice to say his deck is vastly different the Rock. The only thing his deck has in common with the Rock that I can see... is the Knight of the Reliquary. Which is not something that you can state makes the decks "the same." Just because ONE card is the same does not make them the same archetype. All it does is mean that they are both using one of the most efficient creatures within their respective colors and given their respective strategies (in Astral Slides case it is because it uses alot of Cycling Lands, and in the Rock's case it is because it uses a crap ton of fetch lands and Wastelands).

Suffice to say these decks play strikingly different games both pre- and post- board. They strive to control the game in different ways. And they ultimately have different deck designs. So to say they are the same is down right WRONG.

As far as Affinity goes, it can easily win games in a meta that is not prepared to face it. That is what made the deck so damned powerful when it was in Standard. Goblins is much the same actually.

[walkerdog]

I am sorry, but are you guys serious?

I am watching the first round in which Morgan played right now, and already watched the final round. Suffice to say his deck is vastly different the Rock. The only thing his deck has in common with the Rock that I can see... is the Knight of the Reliquary. Which is not something that you can state makes the decks "the same." Just because ONE card is the same does not make them the same archetype. All it does is mean that they are both using one of the most efficient creatures within their respective colors and given their respective strategies (in Astral Slides case it is because it uses alot of Cycling Lands, and in the Rock's case it is because it uses a crap ton of fetch lands and Wastelands).

Suffice to say these decks play strikingly different games both pre- and post- board. They strive to control the game in different ways. And they ultimately have different deck designs. So to say they are the same is down right WRONG.

As far as Affinity goes, it can easily win games in a meta that is not prepared to face it. That is what made the deck so damned powerful when it was in Standard. Goblins is much the same actually.

Wait, he doesn't play a series of cards that grind out CA in BGW, uses the GY and is vulnerable to combo decks, at least preboard? Man, his deck is nothing like the Rock!

The rock isn't a particular 60 cards. It is a grinding BG/x deck that is built based on meta. Yes, Slide is a unique feature, but the mindset and style of play is extremely similiar. You're acting like Vial Goblins and Chain Goblins have nothing in common other than little red men that share a tribe and beat down and...

[DalkonCledwin]

okay for reference sake... HERE is a Rock deck that placed 3rd in a 32 player event:

Creatures:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Tarmogoyf

Instants:
4 Dark Ritual
3 Swords to Plowshares

Sorceries:
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
4 Thoughtseize

Enchantments:
3 Pernicious Deed

Artifacts:
1 Sensei's Divining Top

Lands:
3 Bayou
1 Forest
4 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
3 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland

Sideboard:
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Yixlid Jailer
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Deathmark
2 Vindicate
1 Animate Dead
1 Choke
1 Circle of Protection: Red
1 Serenity
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Umezawa's Jitte

And HERE is what Morgan Coke had been running as of April 9th 2009:

Creatures:
4 Eternal Witness
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Loxodon Hierarch

Instants:
3 Expunge
3 Radiant's Judgment

Sorceries:
3 Decree of Pain
3 Life from the Loam

Enchantments:
3 Astral Slide

Artifacts:
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Engineered Explosives
4 Mox Diamond

Lands:
3 Ancient Tomb
2 Barren Moor
2 Bayou
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Secluded Steppe
1 Swamp
4 Tranquil Thicket
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

Planeswalkers:
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Sideboard:
3 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Extirpate
3 Krosan Grip
3 Lapse of Certainty
3 Ghostly Prison

Both lists are publically viewable on www.deckcheck.net so I am not spoiling Morgan Coke's secret tech here, nor anyone elses. However I would like you to explain to me how the first list in anyway resembles the second list?

[jrsthethird]

Both decks include common Rock creatures, but besides that they're completely different.

How can you have a Rock deck with 3 maindeck black spells?

[DalkonCledwin]

if your talking about Morgan's deck, he runs 6 main deck black spells, 3 Expunge, and 3 Decree of Pain. Neither of which is traditionally run in the Rock. Either way, you are quite correct, that is far to few to qualify as The Rock in my view as well.

[walkerdog]

if your talking about Morgan's deck, he runs 6 main deck black spells, 3 Expunge, and 3 Decree of Pain. Neither of which is traditionally run in the Rock. Either way, you are quite correct, that is far to few to qualify as The Rock in my view as well.

You seem stuck on the idea that The Rock is a spefici list, rather than a general outline of a deck. I have played against it online, practice room, etc. You are beating the Rock or losing to the Rock when you play against it. It is doing Rock stuff, maybe in a little different manner, but if you look through MTG's history, the Rock is a very flexible archetype that never looks the same from month-to-month. Also, I was teasing him with the comment, but since you're obsessed with it.

[jrsthethird]

This is like saying every deck that runs a Stoneforge Mystic Equipment suite should be the same deck. Or every deck that has Force of Will and Goyf is Merfolk. I don't care how similar the play style is, you need to have a similar build along with a similar strategy to be the same archetype.

Someone who posted this in the Rock topic would be told to make a new thread or find a better one.

Maybe it's Slide Rock. I'll accept that, since the name signifies a twist on the general archetype. But don't just call it "The Rock". When I think Rock I think early game disruption, efficient removal, 2-for-1 dudes, and a couple huge finishers. This deck sacrifices the disruption to take advantage of the interaction between Slide and ETB dudes, which is a Rock-ish thing to do, but it's not The Rock.

[walkerdog]

And I was joking with Morgan about it, menace suggested rock slide (which is a sweet name), and Dalkon freaked out and was like THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE ROCK THEY SHARE ONE CARD AND THAT IS A CREATURE NOTROCKNOTROCK HERE IS A LIST AND IT IS THE ONLY ROCK DECK EVAR! It was confusing but exciting.

I will say in a serious continuation of the rock/notrock discussion that he has given up early disruption due to metaing against Zoo/Mer/critter decks and hoping to dodge combos. Maybe not the most traditional stance, but it is frustrating to run zoo at.

[DalkonCledwin]

you are so putting words into my mouth that I did not say. While it is true that I do not think Morgan was running the Rock (or even a Rock influenced Slide deck). I did not say the Rock list that I provided was the ONLY Rock list in existence. In point of fact, in a lot of ways, Eva Green could be considered a Rock deck. So can Doran Suicide. There are a lot of renditions of the Rock in existence.

However Astral Slide is NOT one of them.

[menace13]

And I was joking with Morgan about it, menace suggested rock slide (which is a sweet name), and Dalkon freaked out and was like THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE ROCK THEY SHARE ONE CARD AND THAT IS A CREATURE NOTROCKNOTROCK HERE IS A LIST AND IT IS THE ONLY ROCK DECK EVAR! It was confusing but exciting..

HAH!
I agree that it is not TheRock, although it does use Rockish duders(Eternal,Lox,KotR,Tarmo) and recurrsion engine (loam,Stronghold) with Manlands/Wasteland.
All with now 50% moar Slide.

[Jak]

However Astral Slide is NOT one of them.

Why's that?

[walkerdog]

you are so putting words into my mouth that I did not say. While it is true that I do not think Morgan was running the Rock (or even a Rock influenced Slide deck). I did not say the Rock list that I provided was the ONLY Rock list in existence. In point of fact, in a lot of ways, Eva Green could be considered a Rock deck. So can Doran Suicide. There are a lot of renditions of the Rock in existence.

However Astral Slide is NOT one of them.

So wait, you posted a rock list and were like, "let it rock, this is rock!" Then you posted his list and were like, "Do the electric slide, this is a slide list! not the rock! ever!", as if posting one rock list was the only rock list, so if you didn't play those cards, you weren't the rock. Right? That's what you did? Yes? Slide being in the rock obviously makes it not the rock. Y'know. I hear if you play engineered explosives and smother in Zoo, you're actually not running zoo because those cards don't go in zoo.


Why's that?

The man said so.


Don't call your deck slide when it is just a rock deck :) I mean, it's not, but it does a lot of the same stuff as the rock.


I'm curious if you even read my first post in the thread Dalkon. First reply was your stunned amazment at me knowing his deck before lists were posted.

- Merged your posts. Don't double or triple post in the future--that's spam. Also, this thread is very close to getting locked. - Bardo

[DalkonCledwin]

okay so based on the modification of Morgan_Coke's OP, I feel I owe an apology to Walkerdog as it seems that it is Morgan_Coke's intent to run a more rock inspired Astral Slide deck. I think I misunderstood what was being said by Walkerdog, and slightly over reacted. So I apologize.

ON TOPIC: I am glad to see that Legacy events are in fact firing on MTGO. That makes me extremely happy as I fully intend to start participating in them as soon as I can put together and test my own deck for MTGO. I have something special in mind specifically for play on MTGO. It is rather unusual for Legacy, while at the same time being a classic deck type. So I expect it to do well, at least I hope it does well.

[morgan_coke]

ON TOPIC: I am glad to see that Legacy events are in fact firing on MTGO. That makes me extremely happy as I fully intend to start participating in them as soon as I can put together and test my own deck for MTGO. I have something special in mind specifically for play on MTGO. It is rather unusual for Legacy, while at the same time being a classic deck type. So I expect it to do well, at least I hope it does well.

And the thread gets its first on-topic post. I'm about to head out for a doctor's appointment, so if someone else wants to log the 2pm Daily online today, that'd be great. Thanks.

EDIT: Or, since I'll be back around the time its over, I guess I can do it. Either way.

[walkerdog]

okay so based on the modification of Morgan_Coke's OP, I feel I owe an apology to Walkerdog as it seems that it is Morgan_Coke's intent to run a more rock inspired Astral Slide deck. I think I misunderstood what was being said by Walkerdog, and slightly over reacted. So I apologize.

ON TOPIC: I am glad to see that Legacy events are in fact firing on MTGO. That makes me extremely happy as I fully intend to start participating in them as soon as I can put together and test my own deck for MTGO. I have something special in mind specifically for play on MTGO. It is rather unusual for Legacy, while at the same time being a classic deck type. So I expect it to do well, at least I hope it does well.

No worries. I love a good debate. Hope I wasn't too obnoxious. I'm excited to play in Legacy events, although I've been busy with work this week.

[morgan_coke]

Updated first post with beginnings of meta breakdown, more event finishes, etc.

[walkerdog]

Event #4:

Let me just say that it is awesome that this event got 21 players at 3AM EST.

4-0s Zoo and Reanimator

3-1s NoPro, Goblins, Goblins, and Goblins. One goblins had prospector, another splashed green and had sparksmith, and the last splashed black.

[caiomarcos]

I liked the info in the opening post. Can we keep it always up to date? Or is there somewhere to fetch the information, like on MODO or some WotC website?

[morgan_coke]

I'll try to keep the opening post up to date w/regards to events. Other people are more than welcome to post results in the thread if I haven't gotten them up yet. There are no more Legacy Daily Events until Tuesday, April 6th. Although there is a Legacy - top 8 Premier event on April 4th at 5pm. Given that its Easter, I'm not really sure what the turnout on that will be. I'd love to do it, but I doubt I'll be able to.

[Badmoonz]

I have been trying to follow and keep up with the MTGO legacy scene. I have a little database going that's tracking the top decks. If I may ask, where have you been getting the data for these daily events? Do you manually look at them on MTGO, or do they end up getting posted somewhere?

I've been getting my information from www.mtgonline.com , and I've been manually clicking on each legacy events as they are listed. Although it seems like not all events end up getting listed here.

Kind of random, but here is some of the output that I have so far. This only accounts for two events, one on 3/31/10 and another on 4/1/10.


Top decks:
3 Goblins
2 Zoo
2 Slide
2 NO countertop
1 Merfolk
1 Ichorid
1 Affinity
1 Dream Halls
1 Eva Green

Most used cards:
25 Tormod's Crypt
24 Mountain
22 Wasteland
20 Island
20 Tarmogoyf
16 Aether Vial
16 Force of Will
16 Ethersworn Cannonist
14 Chalice of the Void
13 Windswept Heath

[ImpinAintEasy]

Might be time to dust off that Goblin Hate.

I'm gonna assume Goblins are being widely played due to the fact they are one of the cheaper decks to assemble.

Surprised we aren't seeing more Dredge.

It is def awesome to see such good support this early on. Let's hope the support stays long after the hype has settled down.

I hope you guys stay on top of this info, looks like it will be a great thread to keep coming back to.

[rockout]

@ Morgan_Coke:I thought I recognized your name on MODO, I'm predator8785, I mainly troll and waste time by watching games.

[morgan_coke]

I have been trying to follow and keep up with the MTGO legacy scene. I have a little database going that's tracking the top decks. If I may ask, where have you been getting the data for these daily events? Do you manually look at them on MTGO, or do they end up getting posted somewhere?


I've been manually checking all the events I don't play in myself. But if you're willing to wait a few days you can also see all the decklists on the official Wizards site under "decks of the week". They list all the decks that finish dailies 3-1 or better there.

EDIT: if someone spots a problem/error with the first post list, let me know and I'll correct it.

[DalkonCledwin]

I'll try to keep the opening post up to date w/regards to events. Other people are more than welcome to post results in the thread if I haven't gotten them up yet. There are no more Legacy Daily Events until Tuesday, April 6th. Although there is a Legacy - top 8 Premier event on April 4th at 5pm. Given that its Easter, I'm not really sure what the turnout on that will be. I'd love to do it, but I doubt I'll be able to.

actually there are legacy daily's scheduled for the fourth and 5th as well... In fact I am hoping to be able to play in the one on the fifth, and if not then in the one on the 6th, but am not sure.

[MMogg]

Most used cards:
25 Tormod's Crypt


Surprised we aren't seeing more Dredge.

Yeah, it's a mystery. :wink::tongue:

Seriously, though, it's not as easy to pilot as Goblins and more easily hated out. Also, Dredge, if being built for budget reasons, is severely limited to Non-LED versions as LED is now over $60 each (which I must say is insane!).

[ImpinAintEasy]

Yeah, it's a mystery. :wink::tongue:

Seriously, though, it's not as easy to pilot as Goblins and more easily hated out. Also, Dredge, if being built for budget reasons, is severely limited to Non-LED versions as LED is now over $60 each (which I must say is insane!).

Ok smarty :laugh:, I was referring to 4-0 or 3-1 appearances. There was only one placement with dredge according to the OP.

I think the LED factor is probably one of the major issues, but even with the cost of LEDs, dredge is one of the cheaper decks to build. I also agree Goblins is easier to pilot than dredge.

I know Goblins appear to be front runners atm, but does anyone seriously think this trend will continue?

[dunk]

Dredge is so underplayed because 90% of Magic players hate it. Yes, that's the only reason. But it's better to be prepared, especially for decks like Zoo or Golbins which are otherwise byes for dredge.

Also, LED in Dredge is epic fail. G1 the extra boost of speed is totally unneeded and in G2 and G3 is makes you vulnerable to hate and is always sided out. It's really a bad card in this archetype.

[menace13]

Dredge is so underplayed because 90% of Magic players hate it. Yes, that's the only reason. But it's better to be prepared, especially for decks like Zoo or Golbins which are otherwise byes for dredge.

Also, LED in Dredge is epic fail. G1 the extra boost of speed is totally unneeded and in G2 and G3 is makes you vulnerable to hate and is always sided out. It's really a bad card in this archetype.

I think gobos has a good MU vs dredge-esp w/o Bazaar-.
The gobos wil not continue since zoo is a bad mu for them and should be increasing in showings.
Edit:
@dunkle- it is not the worst MU, but is your worst aggro MU- excerpt from a SCG article-.

The main reason for this is that Mogg Fanatic is very good disruption. Not only does it remove any Bridge from Belows that are in the graveyard, but it can also take down an Ichorid, Narcomeoba, or even Putrid Imp before an Ichorid player has a chance to fully utilize them. Mogg Fanatic by itself is not enough to beat Ichorid, as without pressure the Ichorid player could continue to put Ichorids and Narcomeobas in play and overwhelm the Goblin player, even if most of its Bridge from Belows have been removed.

If the Goblin player does not draw Mogg Fanatic, this can leave them completely overwhelmed by Ichorid’s creatures and tokens. Goblin Lackey can be of use here, especially on the play, where it can perhaps put a turn 2 Siege-Gang Commander into play, as that gives the Goblin player a sacrifice outlet similar to the effect that Mogg Fanatic has. The Goblin player needs some type of disruption to slow down the opponent, but it also needs enough pressure to prevent an Ichorid player from recovering. This matchup is close, but Ichorid still seems to be ahead, if only slightly.

[dunk]

I don't see how gobbos have a good matchup against dredge. First turn lackey is easily answered by Imp or Tribe and from there on goblins is too slow to keep up. That's just pure theory though, as no one here ( in my city where I usually play ) plays goblins ;)

[Koby]

Thank you Morgan for compiling the information. It would help to see % totals for each event, or even through a time period so we can better gauge the online metagame. It seems to me that the online metagame is a bit like Legacy metagame about 5 years ago, when Goblins was just the easiest deck to pilot in the face of other archetypes. Doubly so since it's also cheap to assemble compared to more familiar Legacy decks.

Case in point: Reanimator is a costly behemoth with 12 cards pulling in at $600+ alone (FoW, USeas, Entomb). But that's just an aside.

I have noticed a lot of people assembling Burn/RDW and Pox/discard decks and I don't think that is the right direction for getting into the format, because as we all know, those decks are marginal Tier 2 at best.

[MMogg]

... does anyone seriously think this trend will continue?

Depends what you mean "continue" (how long?). I definitely think it's a fledgling format and that is reflected in the deck choices. If by continue you mean for the next few months, yeah, I guess it will. But I have a hunch (maybe a small one) that by summer and the run up to Columbus, there will be a greater influx of people playing and practicing on MTGO, so maybe decks will be diversified or begin to diversify. Also, maybe most are Americans and judging by the SCG $5Ks, Americans love aggro and recently Goblins. Dunno. I certainly think the cost of FoW has a lot to do with it. Thinking looooooooooooong-term (5 years), I think a normal meta will emerge. :smile: [/speculation . . . see my signature :laugh:]

[Julian23]

Todays Event won by frogboy with Dredge and someone named "Emeraldas" with Goblins.

[Shawn]

Is there a way to view videos of Daily Events that aren't from today? I can't seem to figure it out.

[walkerdog]

Is there a way to view videos of Daily Events that aren't from today? I can't seem to figure it out.

No. I will try to make some vids of my awful run yesterday, and maybe some 2mans or something, but no to your question.

[Badmoonz]

Just another updated with a few more stats. So far there have been 6 daily events and 1 premier event. I only have data for 4 of the daily events. Also, this data only considers decks that placed with one or zero losses.

Here are decks types with top finishes and their combined record:

(Appearances) Wins - Losses Deck
(8) 26 - 6 Goblins
(4) 15 - 1 Zoo
(3) 10 - 2 Merfolk
(3) 9 - 3 NO countertop
(2) 7 - 1 Ichorid
(2) 6 - 2 Slide
(1) 4 - 0 Reanimator
(1) 3 - 1 Thopterfoundry
(1) 3 - 1 Eva Green
(1) 3 - 1 Dream Halls
(1) 3 - 1 Black
(1) 3 - 1 ANT
(1) 3 - 1 Affinity


Most used cards:
54 Mountain
51 Wasteland
44 Aether Vial
42 Tormod's Crypt
38 Island
36 Force of Will
36 Tarmogoyf
32 Goblin Lackey
32 Goblin Matron
32 Goblin Piledriver
32 Goblin Ringleader
29 Brainstorm


Expect to play a lot of Goblins and even more aggro.

[Koby]

I think that some of these numbers might be misleading, since it doesn't show the match stats for decks that didn't get 4-0 or 3-1 record.

I for sure know that there were more than 4 Zoo decks in these tournaments, and many of them didn't play in the upper echelons. Same with Goblins. I would focus more on appearances than on match win-stats.

[theintangiblefatman]

Yes, Goblins and Zoo have the most 4-0/3-1 finishes, because they are far and away the most represented decks. I deleted my list of all the decks from yesterday's daily event, but from what I remember:

6 Goblins
5 Zoo
3 Merfolk
1 ANT
1 NLS
1 Dredge
1 Supreme Blue
1 Enchantress
1 CounterTop Thopter/Sword
1 Landstill
1 WRB Fish
1 scrub MUC
1 Canadian Thresh
3 ???

[walkerdog]

Not to be a jerk, but I know Dunkle is 19-1 with Zoo in dailies, so you're at least one event off of correct data.

[Wyrath the Great]

With that many Goblins I might actually join with my "The Gate" list (such a dumb name). I've been eating Goblin decks for breakfast and been crushing those particular Goblins players in the tournament practice room. If only I could find a way to reliably beat blue and combo decks.

>_>

[Julian23]

Played Enchantress in one daily which has a superb Goblins matchup especially since they don't have Port available. Never saw a single Goblin deck but was crushed by Storm Combo decks. Poor Enchantress :cries:

[morgan_coke]

And the first week of Legacy Daily Events is over.

Pretty massive win for Goblins, which is even more impressive considering they don't have Rishadan Port available yet. Combo was largely a non-factor. From what I saw of it, combo players usually could steal a match win in the first round or two, but would eventually run into two blue decks and scrub out.

In other news, the shuffler has instituted a massive hate ban of me for the last five days or so, and I'm really, really hoping it gets over it during todays downtime.

[sneakattackkid]

Well I personally played in 2 and got sacked out by goblins twice(ad nauseums missed on 20 and 18) and lost to merfolk once. Both times I was the only ad nauseum player in the DE which seems underplayed.

[walkerdog]

Well I personally played in 2 and got sacked out by goblins twice(ad nauseums missed on 20 and 18) and lost to merfolk once. Both times I was the only ad nauseum player in the DE which seems underplayed.

I have noticed that a really high % of the time, both playing with and against ANT that one game is a blowout for ANT, one game ANT loses to disruption, and one game ANT just poops the bed.

[HAVE HEART]

For those who were asking: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening . You are welcome.

[menace13]

Had to necro this. Really didn't know where else to put it.

The Online Legacy meta is DnT following Goblins as the #1 and 2 decks. I can only blame Duals and FoW being sky high. The premier events(33 man 10tix Swiss to top 8) are not firing, while daily events(16man 6tix 4 rounds swiss max) get 25+ and fire on minimums on bad schedules. Does anyone have any ideas as to why? It would seem to me that Most folks really do not want to shell out 1k -heck Zoo might be 500 Now- for Bant/Animator/ANT. Yes Finn you have created a monster.

Figd i edit over wasting more space. Online Legacy decks as a whole aside FoW/LED/Order/Entomb/Null Rod(pfft not that this one matters) are cheaper than Paper still.

[MMogg]

Had to necro this. Really didn't know where else to put it.

The Online Legacy meta is DnT following Goblins as the #1 and 2 decks. I can only blame Duals and FoW being sky high. The premier events(33 man 10tix Swiss to top 8) are not firing, while daily events(16man 6tix 4 rounds swiss max) get 25+ and fire on minimums on bad schedules. Does anyone have any ideas as to why? It would seem to me that Most folks really do not want to shell out 1k -heck Zoo might be 500 Now- for Bant/Animator/ANT. Yes Finn you have created a monster.

Well, Legacy has broken the MTGO formula. It's supposed to be cheaper, but with a playset of Force of Will now nearly $600, that's no longer the case. Online might be more attractive if it were cheaper, and perhaps the deck total prices are still cheaper (dunno, don't care to research it), but the fact that you can buy three paper FoW for 1 online FoW would give anyone pause and reflect: what the fuck am I doing?

If you're talking about lower level events being more popular, I guess people don't feel as confident about their deck/ability to go in for 10tix just to lose. Again, we can only speculate on player motivation.

[Arctic_Slicer]

Well, Legacy has broken the MTGO formula. It's supposed to be cheaper, but with a playset of Force of Will now nearly $600, that's no longer the case. Online might be more attractive if it were cheaper, and perhaps the deck total prices are still cheaper (dunno, don't care to research it), but the fact that you can buy three paper FoW for 1 online FoW would give anyone pause and reflect: what the fuck am I doing?

Since you brought it up I thought I would do a little bit of research.

Important note: On "Magic: the Gathering Online" most trading is done with event tickets which cost $1.00 in the online store. Card prices listed as their ticketed values. Some vendors list prices that are not whole numbers and give credit for the difference on future transactions with that vendor.

Lowest sell prices found for legacy staples:

Force of Will 128.7
Lion's Eye Diamond 65
Underground Sea 60*
Entomb 48
Tarmogoyf 43
Natural Order 40
Null Rod 40
Tundra 36
Tropical Island 35
Taiga 35
Survival of the Fittest 35*
Orim's Chant 35*
Mox Diamond 32
Savannah 28
Wasteland 27
City of Traitors 25
Phyrexian Dreadnought 24
Vindicate 23
Bayou 22
Badlands 22
Volcanic Island 19
Plateau 18
Scrubland 17
Grindstone 15
Argothian Enchantress 14
Chrome Mox 10
Bridge from Below 10
Show and Tell 10
Smokestack 8
Knight of the Reliquary 7.9
Vendilion Clique 6.5
Goblin Piledriver 6.5
Iona, Shield of Emeria 6.1
Karakas 6
Moat 6*
Polluted Delta 6*
Dark Confidant 5.5
Umezawa's Jitte 5.3
Thoughtseize 5
Windswept Heath 4.5
Wooded Foothills 4
Bloodstained Mire 4
Flooded Strand 4
Aether Vial 4
Magus of the Moon 4
Scalding Tarn 3.85
Ancient Tomb 3.8
Arid Mesa 3.5
Marsh Flats 3.45
Verdant Catacombs 3.45
Misty Rainforest 3
Gilded Drake 3
Siege-Gang Commander 1.70
Meddling Mage 1.25
Reset .891
Chain Lightning .274
Goblin Lackey .01*

*Could not find an exact sell price for those cards and as such these numbers are an estimate based on buy lists.

Anyway I'm sure I've missed a few important cards but after about 2 hours combing traders and prices on MTGO this should be sufficient to get a good idea on how much it costs to build a legacy deck online. Some key cards such as Force of Will will cost you pretty heavily but on the other hand fetchs and duals are significantly cheaper; balancing out the total start up costs to get into this format. Other cards such as Goblin Lackey and Karakas are worth a fraction of their paper equivalent leading to a disproportionately high showing of Death and Taxes and Goblin decks in the format.

[paK0]

Are there any budget decks?

I just made an account but shelling out lots of money just doesn't seems right to me.

I can usually play only 2 events/monts with paper so this might be cool but spending money on two collections is not my thing =).

[gravemind123]

Are there any budget decks?

I just made an account but shelling out lots of money just doesn't seems right to me.

I can usually play only 2 events/monts with paper so this might be cool but spending money on two collections is not my thing =).

Play Pauper, you can get a decently powerful deck for around $10 and for $35 or so you can get the most expensive deck in the format, which when I last checked was a storm variant.

[paK0]

Mh, I might try it. However I wanna really play some Legacy Daylies, thats why I signed up in the first place.

[menace13]

Goblins,DnT and Dredge each cost around the 200 mark, anything less would be RDW.

[paK0]

Goblins,DnT and Dredge each cost around the 200 mark, anything less would be RDW.


Pauper it is!


Tnx for the information

[ImpinAintEasy]

Since you brought it up I thought I would do a little bit of research.



Anyway I'm sure I've missed a few important cards but after about 2 hours combing traders and prices on MTGO this should be sufficient to get a good idea on how much it costs to build a legacy deck online. Some key cards such as Force of Will will cost you pretty heavily but on the other hand fetchs and duals are significantly cheaper; balancing out the total start up costs to get into this format. Other cards such as Goblin Lackey and Karakas are worth a fraction of their paper equivalent leading to a disproportionately high showing of Death and Taxes and Goblin decks in the format.

Not to steal your thunder, but there are a couple articles on puremtgo.com showing card pricing online and another article showing prices vs. paper. One article is titled Pure Ridiculousness and the other titled The Panic Room. Both articles are fairly recent.

[addaro]

How is legacy on MTGO after few weeks? Do people regularly play it? I live in an area with very few players so I was thinking about starting to play legacy on MTGO. Are there legacy tournaments daily or at least at weekends or are players slowly moving back to Standard and drafts?

Thank you very much for an answer! Dont want to spend hundreds on legacy deck and then be "waiting for players" that never come...

[menace13]

How is legacy on MTGO after few weeks? Do people regularly play it? I live in an area with very few players so I was thinking about starting to play legacy on MTGO. Are there legacy tournaments daily or at least at weekends or are players slowly moving back to Standard and drafts?

Thank you very much for an answer! Dont want to spend hundreds on legacy deck and then be "waiting for players" that never come...

Legacy online is doing very well, the events are daily 4 round no top 8 6 tix 16 man minimum and always fire with an avg of 25+(premier events 10 tix 24 man min swiss rounds to top 8 on the weekends never fire)
The meta is a bit budget -Gobs and DnT are the 2 top decks in finishes-, but that will change. Also it is the only place in the world where you will face off against Slide...(Morgan is over 60% win at this point)

Edit: you can find meta breakdowns on ClassicQuarter.com-tournament tab search by deck,format- and mtgonline.com lists every event on the what's happening page.

[chmoddity]

Yes, there are daily events. There are several each day. The numbers are down a bit from the rush of the first week or two, but stable. It has been fun.

I find it very interesting to see what the meta game has been shaping up to be. Almost all the sets are available now, so the selection is very close. But yet the winning decks are not the same ones we see getting the most attention around here.

Zoo, Countertop, ANT, Reanimator, Canadian, were showing up in decent numbers for awhile. But they did not put up numbers to the point where it is all just Landstill, Goblins, Merfolk, and especially Death and Taxes. Here are some recent articles on it.

http://puremtgo.com/articles/look-legacy-may-13-19-day-lands-stood-still
http://puremtgo.com/articles/look-legacy-may-5-12-threshold
http://puremtgo.com/articles/look-legacy-april-29-may-4-month-review

[MMogg]

How is legacy on MTGO after few weeks? Do people regularly play it? I live in an area with very few players so I was thinking about starting to play legacy on MTGO. Are there legacy tournaments daily or at least at weekends or are players slowly moving back to Standard and drafts?

Thank you very much for an answer! Dont want to spend hundreds on legacy deck and then be "waiting for players" that never come...

I suggest you do what I've been doing, watch the replays from the daily events. Actually, I was surprised by some of the decks. There are a couple Landstill and I think I saw no fewer than three Reanimator. But yeah, the field is rather varied.

As for playing outside tournaments, I think there should be no problem to find people to play. I don't usually see too many people in the casual forum playing Legacy because let's face it, it's not a casual format as much as Classic (since classic hasn't p9 online), but there are quite a few in the tournament practice section.

Bottom line: the watch and replay features are really cool for letting you see for yourself the type of decks and skill level (that too varies... even in tournaments I saw some horrible play errors/decisions). Also, keep in mind you can still replay games/matches (after they're completed of course) that are set to "No" as watchable. :wink:

[xTrainx]

Since this thread came back up, I have a couple of questions concerning MTGO...

Firstly, I'm assuming that the tournaments take about as much time as they would IRL; I play my match, and then wait for the round timer to expire or for the other rounds to finish, meaning I would need to be available at the computer for roughly the same amount of time as a normal tournament(maybe 5 hours).

Secondly, the only format that I would probably play is Pauper, and again I'm assuming that there ARE Pauper tournaments with payouts involved. If so, how much is it to enter said events?

Thanks for the responses.

[markbris]

Since this thread came back up, I have a couple of questions concerning MTGO...

Firstly, I'm assuming that the tournaments take about as much time as they would IRL; I play my match, and then wait for the round timer to expire or for the other rounds to finish, meaning I would need to be available at the computer for roughly the same amount of time as a normal tournament(maybe 5 hours).

Secondly, the only format that I would probably play is Pauper, and again I'm assuming that there ARE Pauper tournaments with payouts involved. If so, how much is it to enter said events?

Thanks for the responses.

Correct on the first assumption.

On the second there is only one pauper tourmanent at a varying time each weekend. Its 6 tix to enter.

[addaro]

Thank you for your answers! I have one more though...am I gonna do OK with Dredge? This meta is very different than what I was used to (never ever played against DnT, Slide, ...).

[MMogg]

Thank you for your answers! I have one more though...am I gonna do OK with Dredge? This meta is very different than what I was used to (never ever played against DnT, Slide, ...).

I've seen tournaments with a quite varied meta and you will hit various decks so it's hard to say, but one thing is certain, Reanimator is a pretty popular deck type online and therefore sideboard graveyard hate is ubiquitous. Other random decks, like some Landstill type deck abusing Crucible of Worlds (and in such a matchup you need to stop Wasteland recursion), also are reasons for sideboard grave hate.

The forms of grave hate are pretty varied as well. I saw one match (I watch, don't play . . . too much invested in paper to get into online Legacy, but it's a fun spectator sport :wink:) where someone had Leyline of the Void in their opening hands for games 2 and 3 and went on to beat win the match. I saw another versus Dredge where the opponent used Faerie Macabre to take out their early Dredgers and that was the end of that matchup.

In short, I think you need to be a skilled pilot to fight through the sideboarded hate, but it isn't impossible to win with Dredge.

[ImpinAintEasy]

In short, I think you need to be a skilled pilot to fight through the sideboarded hate, but it isn't impossible to win with Dredge.

Mogg, please don't encourage anymore Dredge players online lol.

[oldbsturgeon]

In a MTGO related note, the being on a computer vs IRL is a tough one for me. For instance, I decided to do a swiss draft today of RoE and drafted a WR deck, nothing too special but okay I thought.
Well my son has been sick this weekend and my wife was trying to get him to sleep, but that wasn't happening and she, in her frustration of a cranky baby, wanted my help so I had to log off before the rounds started during deck construction.
I figured when I logged back on about an hour later I was gonna get hated on, but didn't though.
For legacy I was checking prices of cards and goblins isn't too expensive minus wastelands of course, but I just don't see this happening if I can't watch a game, let alone play a game.
Realistically I don't have time to do any gaming I guess.
Oh MMogg and Impinainteasy, I'm Heifetz online.

[MMogg]

Mogg, please don't encourage anymore Dredge players online lol.

Haha! Ya know, Burn just won today's daily. That's 1st out of 21... not too shabby. Would you rather play against a bunch of burn decks? :tongue: Actually, that might be the only deck I'm willing to buy. :laugh:

[ImpinAintEasy]

Haha! Ya know, Burn just won today's daily. That's 1st out of 21... not too shabby. Would you rather play against a bunch of burn decks? :tongue: Actually, that might be the only deck I'm willing to buy. :laugh:

Let me guess, Bozidar was the pilot? He has been successfully piloting burn online for a long long time, even before Legacy was a format online. Yes I'd rather face a bunch of burn decks than dredge, at least there tends to be more interaction.

Burn is much cheaper to buy then Dredge, you could probably get it for around 50-75 depending on the build and sb cards used. Dredge goes for around 200 without LED's.

I'd tend to think the reason burn won was due to a Landstill meta. If burn starts rearing its ugly head I might have to dust off my Dream Halls again.

[MMogg]

Let me guess, Bozidar was the pilot? He has been successfully piloting burn online for a long long time, even before Legacy was a format online. Yes I'd rather face a bunch of burn decks than dredge, at least there tends to be more interaction.

Burn is much cheaper to buy then Dredge, you could probably get it for around 50-75 depending on the build and sb cards used. Dredge goes for around 200 without LED's.

I'd tend to think the reason burn won was due to a Landstill meta. If burn starts rearing its ugly head I might have to dust off my Dream Halls again.

No, some dude named Johan80 (not sure of the number on the end). Actually, the build looks like Sligh more than Burn (although burn decks ARE using creatures/this build) by using Hellspark Elemental, Spark Elemental, Goblin Guide and Keldon Marauders.

Cost wise, yeah, just fetches and Blood Moons that are worth a few bucks each.

Funny you mention DH: I watched one replay where the Burn player beat a resolved Emrakul. Guy sacked his lands and Fireblasted, Emrakul attackd, played a Mountain and Lava Spiked him... gg. :laugh:

[Finn]

Perhaps I missed something. How does Burn resolve Emrakul? What universe was that in? I can't think of a deck less likely to get Emrakul into play.

[(nameless one)]

Perhaps I missed something. How does Burn resolve Emrakul? What universe was that in? I can't think of a deck less likely to get Emrakul into play.

Finn, I think you read it wrong.



Burn player beat a resolved Emrakul.


Back on the topic: doesnt Burn cry on a resolved Iona? I'm guessing Reanimator isnt that popular online?

[ImpinAintEasy]

Finn, I think you read it wrong.





Back on the topic: doesnt Burn cry on a resolved Iona? I'm guessing Reanimator isnt that popular online?

Reanimator is fairly popular online, not sure the specific matchups in this Daily Event.

Due to the Landstill meta, Reanimator is at a slight disadvantage, they are running Jace, STP and Innocent Blood.

I wouldn't get to worried about Burn just yet!

[Finn]

I sure did. Thx. The online meta is moving a lot faster than anything in paper. I think it closer resembles the way other formats evolve than what we have come to expect from paper Legacy.

[menace13]

The online meta is is starting to shift away from Goblins and DnT, with Landstill geared towards those mus while the aggro decks can not do much against it w/o restructuring the 75 and weakening position across the field. I do not think much of the current state of online Legacy, as it stands only 1 30+ man Swiss to top 8 playoff has fired. Going 4 rounds in a 25 man daily is not what i expected to be used solely as a gauge.

[ImpinAintEasy]

The online meta is is starting to shift away from Goblins and DnT, with Landstill geared towards those mus while the aggro decks can not do much against it w/o restructuring the 75 and weakening position across the field. I do not think much of the current state of online Legacy, as it stands only 1 30+ man Swiss to top 8 playoff has fired. Going 4 rounds in a 25 man daily is not what i expected to be used solely as a gauge.

I think we gotta be a little more patient here though. Legacy has only been online for what like 2-3 months. It's not like a bunch of people said, "Hey, Legacy is online now, let me go spend 1000 bucks today".

While the tournaments aren't firing at large numbers, I am seeing different faces on a more frequent basis, which is far more than could be said about Classic when it was at its' peak.

And btw, thank goodness for the Goblins and DnT shift......

[menace13]

One of these days I'll figure out how to break Valakut in Legacy... :P

Or no Maze of Ith online will break you 1st?

[ImpinAintEasy]

Reanimator just 4-0'd a Daily Event running Hapless Researchers instead of Careful study to help against a meta seeming to lean towards aggro decks such as Zoo. I don't have access to the top lists from that event right now. Maybe someone else can post them?

[emidln]

UBrg Doomsday went 3-1 in that event. Looks like a pretty close copy of Pulp_Fiction's current list.

[ImpinAintEasy]

UBrg Doomsday went 3-1 in that event. Looks like a pretty close copy of Pulp_Fiction's current list.

Do you have a link to the lists? Stupid firewall at work prevents me from avoiding work by utilizing this method.

[emidln]

Only link I know of is http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1280213#decklists which is probably going to get blocked by your firewall.

[ImpinAintEasy]

Only link I know of is http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1280213#decklists which is probably going to get blocked by your firewall.

Thanks for the link, but you were right.......stupid firewalls. So rude of my employer to actually expect me to work the entire time I'm at work lol.

[menace13]

There was a Blue Land list that same event as well. Going 3-1 with no Maze of Ith and no Ports, guy's name is Next level rumored to be Chapin.

Edit: The event was on the 7th and not on the 6th as DDgo was.