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Eldariel
04-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Ok, don't we have an archetype-thread on Elf Combo/Glimpse Elves/Elfball/Whattheefever? We seem to have Elf Survival and Elf Aggro threads, but Elf Combo is finishing at least decently (in various guises from Glimpse Elves to Elfstaff), and the closest thing I'm able to find on discussion for the archetype(s) is a WWK spoiler-thread and something in the EDH subforum.

Is this just a Search Fail or do we really just plain lack the archetype thread?

menace13
04-02-2010, 07:05 PM
Ok, don't we have an archetype-thread on Elf Combo/Glimpse Elves/Elfball/Whattheefever? We seem to have Elf Survival and Elf Aggro threads, but Elf Combo is finishing at least decently (in various guises from Glimpse Elves to Elfstaff), and the closest thing I'm able to find on discussion for the archetype(s) is a WWK spoiler-thread and something in the EDH subforum.

Is this just a Search Fail or do we really just plain lack the archetype thread?

Only threads i found are Elf Aggro and Elf Glimpse Staff
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?11060-[Deck]-Elf-Aggro
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?11264-[Deck]-Elf-Glimpse-Staff

kicks_422
04-03-2010, 08:32 AM
I remember that the bulk of Elf Combo discussion (Glimpse-based) happened on the Elf Glimpse Staff thread.

Infinitium
04-04-2010, 02:19 PM
The problem is that even within any given elf "archetype" there are enough viable cards to justify a plethora of different strategies of roughly the same viability, meaning that it's pretty futile to try and define the shell as a basis of further discussion. That said the general gameplan is very much viable and warrants discussion (perhaps changing the title of Elf Glimpse Staff would suffice as that tech is pretty outdated anyway).

Eldariel
04-04-2010, 03:42 PM
The problem is that even within any given elf "archetype" there are enough viable cards to justify a plethora of different strategies of roughly the same viability, meaning that it's pretty futile to try and define the shell as a basis of further discussion. That said the general gameplan is very much viable and warrants discussion (perhaps changing the title of Elf Glimpse Staff would suffice as that tech is pretty outdated anyway).

I have a hard time buying there isn't a more optimal and a less optimal build for Combo Elves, especially dealing with the DTB. Given the difference between the different engines, the efficiency and board impact of the various combo tools and the varying usefulness of the various win conditions, it's definitely possible to optimize the lists. And as for the Elf-Glimpse-Staff thread, the OP is really, really outdated and it fails to cover most of the important engines (outside Glimpse itself) and to identify the different engine pieces and strategy support.

And far as I'm concerned, if there were to be a thread about this, it should be in the Established Decks-forum; the archetype is definitely at least as competitive as Berserk Stompy or The Cure. And the thread needs to at least do something useful with regards to organizing and evaluating the various paths the combo can take; otherwise the thread in its entirety is pretty useless.