Magic Online

[Peter_Rotten]

In my constant (half-assed) search to somehow get back into this game I was toying with the idea of starting Magic Online. But before I truly consider it, I want a guesstimate of about how much cash I'd be dropping to start that hobby. Around how much would it cost to get a Legacy deck going?

[Julian23]

I say roughly about the same as on paper unless you plan on running something involving Force of Will or Lion's Eye Diamond which will make it even more expensive. Cardbot (like the SCG of MODO) currently lists FoW at 90 tix (Dollar) a piece.

I just build Dredge and Enchantress which are "ok", maybe a little less tha on paper.

[Sims]

Duals are easily as expensive online as they are IRL, FoWs are like 80 to 90 EACH because of their rarity on MODO. However some cards that are really expensive now IRL (Tabernacle, to an extent Karakas) are less expensive cause they had a larger "print run" online..

So roughly, the same $1,000 you'd spend on a Legacy deck from scratch IRL, you'll be spending on digital cards that you can't redeem.

[Peter_Rotten]

So roughly, the same $1,000 you'd spend on a Legacy deck from scratch IRL, you'll be spending on digital cards that you can't redeem.


Way to rain on my parade.

[Sims]

Sorry, Matt. I'm just laying it out for you.

[Julian23]

I think the best thing you can do is to try Belcher without LEDs...but is that even possible? Oh, and has anyone ever tried Merfolk wo/ Force?

[umbowta]

I dowloaded, got an account, in fact I got as far as the trade room and the store before I was like, eff that. There's no way to buy a "box" of product for a reduced price. Singles are not cheap at all, and I can't get past the idea of paying real card money for digital nothingness. I want to be able to play whenever but I'm definitely going to be piloting some jank if I decide to go ahead with the online stuff. Anybody want to trade some tix for real cards?

[Koby]

While it's a little outdated from the Legacy announcement (and subsequent price creep), this article shows a good comparison between paper and online prices:

http://puremtgo.com/articles/embracing-legacy-online

[Elfrago]

Forget about playing Legacy and forget drafting. Then you can make a Block Constructed deck for 80 bucks. Not a cheap ass deck, one of the best decks in the format. Start winning with that and you can keep going without spending more cash and slowly move into other formats. It's not legacy, but hey, it's still Magic.

[4eak]

Déjà vu. I've been trying to download (slowly) Magic Online. I played it briefly when it first came out, but that was a long time ago (at least, it feels like a long time ago). I'm considering starting online myself. Wizards recommends a broadband connection. How necessary will it be? It is playable on an awful connection (0.1mbit/s) like MWS?

Elfrago gave a suggestion. I'm wondering if there are other ways 'to go infinite' on Magic Online. I am an insane, penny-pinching asshole (according to my wife), so I'm very much interested in doing this on the cheap if possible.




peace,
4eak

[MMogg]

Déjà vu. I've been trying to download (slowly) Magic Online. I played it briefly when it first came out, but that was a long time ago (at least, it feels like a long time ago). I'm considering starting online myself. Wizards recommends a broadband connection. How necessary will it be? It is playable on an awful connection (0.1mbit/s) like MWS?

Elfrago gave a suggestion. I'm wondering if there are other ways 'to go infinite' on Magic Online. I am an insane, penny-pinching asshole (according to my wife), so I'm very much interested in doing this on the cheap if possible.




peace,
4eak

There's always Pauper, a format that allows commons only. You can build decks for under five bucks no problems, and if you want a highly competitive deck, it may cost about ten dollars. Some commons like Fireblast and Lotus Petal go for a few bucks. Of course, that doesn't help you play competitive Legacy, but it at least allows you to play competitive Magic cheaply.

[DuxDucis]

...but it at least allows you to play competitive Magic cheaply.

All from the comfort of your own home.

I've spent around $20 to build multiple decks which I can play in Standard, Extended, and Classic tournaments. Pauper is a great format, if you do get into Magic Online you should definitely consider trying it out.

Check out www.pdcmagic.com they have lists of free weekly tournaments. You can even win credits and/or cards from donated prize pools.

[jrsthethird]

With ROE you can even play 8/8 Annihilator 2's in Pauper. Ramp into them with red rituals, Lotus Petals, and common Eldrazi spawn cards.

[TW_REB]

Besides Pauper, there is also a weekly Choose Your Own Standard tournament, called BYOS (Build Your Own Standard) hosted by Clan Yawgmoth. It's heaps of fun and the format is fairly cheap. The only downside being that it's not a sanctioned format, so not much going on between tournaments. See link below for details.

http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/view/75846/135082

[Elfrago]

I have to disagree with the last posts. Pauper is a very competitive format with an extremely developed metagame, playing bad decks won't get you anywhere. The format is indeed cheaper but some of the most played commons can easily cost 2 bucks each (or more!). You need at least 30$ to construct a good deck with the only exception probably being Gobins.
Also, there are no daily events for the format, this means that if you're trying to go infinite you have to:
- Play in the weekend swiss tournaments, and this requires a lot of free time or
- Play in 2 man queues (you and the opponent pay 2 bucks,play a match and the winner gets a booster). Going infinite relying only on 2-mans requires a much higher win ratio than doing the same with daily events.

[xTrainx]

Hunh. If I pick up some extra cash I may just start up on Magic Online...iunno.

[jrsthethird]

Duals are easily as expensive online as they are IRL, FoWs are like 80 to 90 EACH because of their rarity on MODO.

Can someone explain to me where the acronym MODO comes from?

[Nightmare]

Can someone explain to me where the acronym MODO comes from?

http://tinyurl.com/yyuxehx

[jrsthethird]

http://tinyurl.com/yyuxehx

Doesn't help at all. Thanks for assuming I didn't try to find it by searching before I asked.

[Nightmare]

That's funny, because the first link (without even clicking on it) refers to:

Magic Online with Digital Objects

[cdr]

That's funny, because the first link (without even clicking on it) refers to:

Magic Online with Digital Objects

You can lead a horse to water, etc.

[menace13]

MTGO has become very expensive as of late, due to the Legacy daily events firing at 25+ now and the 1st PE top 8 fired last night.
The price of FoW has just hit 100, Underground Sea is 57, LED 65, Entomb 45, Natural Order 45, Null Rod 41, Tropical and Tundra 37. These prices will only get higher, there are about 3 or 4 cards that ever hit the 100 mark(non-foil) on MTGO.

[umbowta]

Yeah. The dumbest part about it is the fact that WoTC pulled Masters Edition 3 boosters within about a week of introducing Legacy to MTGO. Thus you can't even buy the packs you need for a shot at opening a dual or two. I can only hope that they will come out with the next Masters Edition with duals in it soon. Till then I'm playing casual Planeswalker.

[Julian23]

Does any of you have a link to competitive Pauper Lists?

[cdr]

Does any of you have a link to competitive Pauper Lists?

The Decks of the Week on wizards.com has the T8 pauper lists every week; go through the archive.

[4eak]

Alright, I've made an account. (and, other news, we finally had a line ran out for broadband last night!)

See you there.




peace,
4eak

[Peter_Rotten]

Why are some of my cards gold bordered?

[Nightmare]

Wizards provides you with some useless cards that you can only use casually instead of giving you tickets now. Also, you can't sell them or trade them since no one wants them, and they'll be annoying forever.

[cdr]

MTGO badly needs a "delete cards" feature - it'd be a win for everyone. I'd assume the customer service requests of "oops, I accidentally deleted my entire collection" is what keeps WotC from doing it.

[jrsthethird]

That's funny, because the first link (without even clicking on it) refers to:

Magic Online with Digital Objects

Durrr....I checked wikipedia before asking and missed that part of the article. Then I saw Wikipedia as the first link and since I already checked it, I didn't even check the preview underneath.

[Peter_Rotten]

So I slap some of my crappy commons together for a Pauper deck and then the game tells me that I have an illegal deck since my basic plains and swamps are from Ravnica!

Grrrr.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Does that mean if you had 9th Wrath you couldn't play it in an online standard deck?

[cdr]

Nope, you can use whatever version of a card you like. P_R was probably trying to play with his gold border cards, or something.

[menace13]

Noooo!! Don't ever open the free Planeswalker pack. Ever, NO matter what... Oh god, what have you done?
Now every time you select a card into your deck, that card will forever and always be a gold border Planeswalker card first. The regular cards will be under them on the deck editor screen. I do not know if you can dump them off to some random bots, as they can only be used in their own format.

[umbowta]

Noooo!! Don't ever open the free Planeswalker pack. Ever, NO matter what... Oh god, what have you done?
Now every time you select a card into your deck, that card will forever and always be a gold border Planeswalker card first. The regular cards will be under them on the deck editor screen. I do not know if you can dump them off to some random bots, as they can only be used in their own format.This is simply not true, menace. In the deck editor function, there is a field at the top of the screen that defaults to "all cards on line". All you need to do is click on that, change it to the desired format(except planeswalker), and...poof...gold cards go away.

[menace13]

This is simply not true, menace. In the deck editor function, there is a field at the top of the screen that defaults to "all cards on line". All you need to do is click on that, change it to the desired format(except planeswalker), and...poof...gold cards go away.

K. Maybe being over dramatic does not come across the net as i thought it would. Did not say you could not get around it, but rather it is just annoying for me and i dont plan on ever playing that format and my collection is not tainted with their filthy gold borders.

[Koby]

Ya those gold border cards are a thorn in your account. You can't trade them away either - so you're permanently stuck with them. It's best not to open up that pack at all.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Can you not trade them by the rules or not trade them by demand? In the case of the latter, you could make a new account and trade them to it.

[Koby]

They are non-tradeable cards by the server.

[umbowta]

Is there any talk involving a Masters Edition 4? It just seems weird to introduce Legacy online and not have product to sell supporting it.

[cdr]

Is there any talk involving a Masters Edition 4? It just seems weird to introduce Legacy online and not have product to sell supporting it.

No "talk", but Wizards is definitely aware of the issue and it was already known that there will be a ME4. It would be reasonable to expect WotC to address the issue in some way, eventually.

[GrooGrux]

Honestly,

I think Magic Online is best for Limited if you are legacy player. You will be able to get drafting in and be able to sell the singles that you do get so that you can pretty much play for free. And if you are pretty good at it you can maybe even bank a little money to spend on your legacy deck.

And if they add ME4 then you can get the best of both worlds :-)

Just my thoughts.

[rockout]

I just started playing pauper competatively if anyone wants to trade random commons or whatever my account name is predator8785 (dont laugh its back from my younger days). I play UR with counters in the side if you were wondering. Maybe someone could start a source guild/team?

[umbowta]

I just started playing pauper competatively if anyone wants to trade random commons or whatever my account name is predator8785 (dont laugh its back from my younger days). I play UR with counters in the side if you were wondering. Maybe someone could start a source guild/team?
Heck yeah. A Source guild would be great. I'll try to find you on MODO. My account name is umbowta...easy eh.

[umbowta]

I just submitted an new clan request for "The Source". Also, I've added you as a buddy, rockout. The server says clan request usually take up to 24 hours for processing. ...till then, cheers.

[DuxDucis]

A Source clan is a great idea.

I'll keep my eye out for it.

Feel free to buddy me, same name as here.

[markbris]

Name is Headgames on magic online, just started playing competitive pauper online as well, hopefully going to play in the challenge this weekend.

[Julian23]

Sign me up fot the The Source guild project! Julian23 on MODO.

[rockout]

I just submitted an new clan request for "The Source". Also, I've added you as a buddy, rockout. The server says clan request usually take up to 24 hours for processing. ...till then, cheers.

Sweet let me know when its live. I'm on pretty often since I am trying to be good at pauper.

Someone asked me how to find pauper decklists:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Archive.aspx?tag=activity

This website lists deck lists for all the MTGO events. Not just pauper.

[Waikiki]

I play pauper and drafts aswell Waikiki on MODO

[Elfrago]

Fragoel2, I play mostly Block Constructed on MODO. currently I'm not active on MTGO, but I should be back soon =)

[Shugyosha]

I'm playing Pauper for some time now as well. Quite a nice format and I'm always up for a game. Name is "Obviously Shugyosha".

[umbowta]

I haven't yet heard back from MTGO about The Source clan, however, I've added all of those who have posted interest as buddys. At the very least that should make it easier when the clan name is registered.

Another thing, I just noticed that my online ratings do not reflect my irl ratings. Is there some place that I need to go to link those up or what? I so don't need to start with a friggin 1600 eternal rating.

[cdr]

Another thing, I just noticed that my online ratings do not reflect my irl ratings. Is there some place that I need to go to link those up or what? I so don't need to start with a friggin 1600 eternal rating.

Your MTGO rating is completely seperate from your IRL rating. Your MTGO rating is also completely useless - it's not used for anything, and other people can't even see your rating (only you).

[Mictlantecuhtli]

@ The Source clan: Great idea!

I'm playing as Ilhuicamiztli. Mainly pauper and occasional drafts. I'll be adding everyone as buddies too. I don't play many tournaments mainly due to the fact that i can't commit to MTGO several hours at a time, but i'm always happy to playtest - i have a few competitive pauper decks built.

[Narcissism]

I strongly recommend not putting endless boosters and tickets into drafting; but if you're good at it, why not?

Block is not that expensive, and you can get some "profit" from it. You can go Momir Vig Basic for added profit as well (paying two tickets to win a booster pack that can be sold for 3.5 ticks etc)

Pauper Magic has never really hurt a budget before!

[cdr]

I strongly recommend not putting endless boosters and tickets into drafting; but if you're good at it, why not?

MTGO is a super convenient and relatively cheap way to practice drafting if you want to get better at IRL drafting. You can pretty close to break even (meaning you don't have to put much money in) on 4-3-2-2 queues if you can at least win the first round, and if you get good enough you can get practice against better players and maybe even profit a little once you step up to 8-4s.

It's also a cheap way to grow your collection, if that's what you're after, by keeping cards rather than selling them off for more tix.

It's not near free like pauper, but it's still a very good value if you can put a little money in.

[gravemind123]

When the whole Source clan thing gets going my account name on MTGO is the same as here.

[Roman Candle]

I'd love to be part of the Source clan, but all I do online is play Limited and I don't have many cards. I'm AladdinSande on here (I spelled AladdinSande wrong and didn't catch it until it was too late.)

[Elfrago]

You can go Momir Vig Basic for added profit as well (paying two tickets to win a booster pack that can be sold for 3.5 ticks etc)

Except it's the most luck-based format ever. Sure, in the loooooooong run skill shows up and blablabla but it just pisses me off.

[MMogg]

Except it's the most luck-based format ever. Sure, in the loooooooong run skill shows up and blablabla but it just pisses me off.

QFMFT I paid seven bucks for that avatar, but haven't gotten much fun out of it. Games are long, drawn out affairs. Not only is it luck based, but trying to find a strategy when you get lumbered with duds is hard and not enjoyable. For example, I paid :5: and got Primeval Shambler; my opponent paid the same and got Demigod of Revenge. Next turn, I pay :6: and got Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor without three blue, while I remember my opponent got Lu Bu, Master-at-Arms. Needless to say, it wasn't really close. It just went on and on with me getting shit and him getting bombs. *yawn*

[Julian23]

In one of my first games I paid 8 mana and was super exicted about which reature I would get. Well...Scornful Egoist. Yeah!

[Nihil Credo]

I actually like Momir Basic a lot since it's the one format where I have to regularly read the cards in play, and games often bring up the funniest interactions - I once lost a game to Eater of Days vs. Galepowder Mage.

But I agree I would never play it in a tournament.

[Nightmare]

Momir Basic is the best casual format ever. You don't play it to win. You play it to play.

I'm AdamNightmare on Modo, and unfortunately I cannot join your clan since I'm already in one of my own.

[rockout]

I remember winning of momir basic because I got a t4 guy that taps to put some type of counter on a creature then tap again to destroy a creatue with a counter on it. Also, I've been on both sides of the t7 phage the untouchable auto win. I try to skip my t7 drop just because its always awful and go 3,4,5,6,8,9,9,9... on the play and 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,9,9,... on the draw

[cdr]

I noticed ME4 was on the MTGO releases page: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/112309a

December 2010.

[umbowta]

I noticed ME4 was on the MTGO releases page: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/112309a

December 2010.

Cool. Thanks for the heads up on that, cdr. Too bad we have to wait till December though.

In other news, The Source clan has been approved. I've sent out invites to all of those who I had on my buddy list...but i see there are still more who have expressed interest. I'll catch up after final exams.

Lastly, the clan captain seems to have defaulted to me because I put in the request for the clan name. I would prefer that someone else was captain, a mod or a judge would be great so please speak up if you're interested. I'll contact support about getting it changed if it's even possible...or if we even care. I just wan't the clan to be open to all source members and not a popularity contest...that's what your buddy list is for.

[freakish777]

In one of my first games I paid 8 mana and was super exicted about which reature I would get. Well...Scornful Egoist. Yeah!

Cognivore.

At least you got a chump blocker. Suncrusher is also a let down.

Here's some other truly awful ones you guys haven't brought up yet

Skyswallower
Worldgorger Dragon
Leveler

I had an opponent get Skyswallower once and not concede because I didn't have flyers so they thought they might be able to "get in there." The next turn my 11 mana activation was Darksteel Colossus (think this was before Masters Edition, so it was either going to be DSC, Hypnox or Mycosynth Golem). There is basically no way to come back from Skyswallower.

[Nightmare]

I keep getting Phyrexian Devourer. Woot! I can exile my whole library for +0/+0!

[Shugyosha]

Momir is extremely interesting when it comes to evaluating creatures. This ended a game I played on turn three effectively:



Dogged Hunter

Creature - Human Nomad 1/1, 2W (3)

{T}: Destroy target creature token.


Are there even better creatures cost-for-effect wise?

Can't wait for ROE. The CMC 11 slot will get nice additons and the CMC 12&15 slots gets options at last but my games are usually over before that.

[Nightmare]

I can't imagine a way you'd live long enough to ramp up to 15 mana, unless you hit Dark Confidant or Rofellos or something like that.

[rockout]

I feel like to play the format competatively waiting for an 11 drop without a way of drawing will just cause death.

[menace13]

I have every once in a while played Momir extreme-Take Momir deck add Jhoira+Stonehewer Giant-. Those games get silly and sometimes will go to 15+ turns, pm me if anyone is down for some(also reg Momir too).

[Nightmare]

Playing with xXxBretWeedxXx (my roommate) last night, I hit Dragon Mage on turn 7, which meant we DEFINITELY got to 15 mana.

[freakish777]

@Dogged Hunter. LOL

So your opponent needs Man-O-War, FTK or Venser immediately (any Comes into Play guy that nukes something at 3 or 4 mana).

On my list of "You just straight up lose when you get this creature" cards I forgot Desolation Angel. While this one is better than Skyswallor, and you you could theoretically get lucky, it's rough. Rougher than "Oh no, I got a shitty 1/1 for 4/5/6/7/8 mana."


Luckily for me, I've never been on the receiving end of Skyswallower or WGD (I've had opponents who got them), and haven't seen Leveler, Desolation Angel or Phage.

[Ebinsugewa]

I'm Ebinsugewa on there as well. MODO is pretty much my only source of actual Magic while at school. I'm always down for Momir matches :)

[Nightmare]

@Dogged Hunter. LOL

So your opponent needs Man-O-War, FTK or Venser immediately (any Comes into Play guy that nukes something at 3 or 4 mana).

On my list of "You just straight up lose when you get this creature" cards I forgot Desolation Angel. While this one is better than Skyswallor, and you you could theoretically get lucky, it's rough. Rougher than "Oh no, I got a shitty 1/1 for 4/5/6/7/8 mana."


Luckily for me, I've never been on the receiving end of Skyswallower or WGD (I've had opponents who got them), and haven't seen Leveler, Desolation Angel or Phage.

As far as WGD goes, one of my opponents scooped with me at 7, and having no fliers. You'd think he could have waited a turn first, just to see if I auto-lose.

I played a dude who hit Galepowder Mage last night. Talk about amazing 4-drops!

I also hit Tilling Treefolk, which was pretty awesome.

[paK0]

Ok, can someone help me with the bots?

Whenever I type "done" they just select 1 TIX and then cancel the trade, regardless of the amount they should usually take. I got enough and everything, so this is kinda pissing me of.

[Julian23]

Looks like you didn't make all of your tix tradeable.

[paK0]

Thought that as well, but it looks like they are tradeable, or do I need to make them accesable somewhere else besides the collection screen?

[ImpinAintEasy]

I'd try to relog in, sometimes MTGO does weird stuff. If it is the same problem again it might be the bot.

[Julian23]

Sometimes the view is bugged. I often have stuff listed as "tradeable" but the other person can't see it. Just log off and try again once logged in again. Be sure to use right click->make all of this tradeable.

[yankeedave]

Bit of a newb question, but has Masques been released on MTGO yet? I am looking for 4 Land Grants and 1 Reverent Silence and can't find them anywhere!

[cdr]

Bit of a newb question, but has Masques been released on MTGO yet? I am looking for 4 Land Grants and 1 Reverent Silence and can't find them anywhere!

Not until next year sometime. And even longer for Nemesis and Prophecy.

[yankeedave]

Ok, thanks! Looks like I am going to struggle to make Belcher online then!

[paK0]

Sometimes the view is bugged. I often have stuff listed as "tradeable" but the other person can't see it. Just log off and try again once logged in again. Be sure to use right click->make all of this tradeable.

Tried some times and it didn't help at all

Are some of the bots bugged?

[ImpinAintEasy]

You will find some bots that have issues online. You could try mtgolibrary.com to see a listing of the card you seek at the lowest rate and check availability. Or you could just use mtgotraders.com, you will never have any issues with trading and very seldom will you run into an availability issue.

[troopatroop]

Ok, thanks! Looks like I am going to struggle to make Belcher online then!

How do you build belcher without land grant? lol seems pretty badzors.

[DalkonCledwin]

You will find some bots that have issues online. You could try mtgolibrary.com to see a listing of the card you seek at the lowest rate and check availability. Or you could just use mtgotraders.com, you will never have any issues with trading and very seldom will you run into an availability issue.

there are some inherent problems with mtgolibrary.com, one of which is the fact that the site lists various scam bots as well as the fact that it lists bots that are not always active as well as bots that are permanently offline.

In otherwords do not rely on that site.

[Sims]

N-n-n-n-necro powerrrrrrrrrrrr


So, in all seriousness. Since I am further away from my favorite LGS and closer to the ones that do nothing but extended and standard, i am looking for some MTG to play that isn't Workstation (though I still may end up there).

I'm not shelling the cash out to rebuild my legacy collection on MTGO, but if I download MTGO is there any legit fun shit i can do for relatively cheap? Pauper i know was already suggested, is there anything else? I'm one of those scrubs that has a hard time spending money on virtual cards when I could just buy the real ones, and I just moved into a new apartment with the lady, so I'd like the options to be budget friendly.

suggestions?

[Koby]

I'd start off by making a budget and sticking to it. It might take a few months, but you can eventually get some decent cards. Pauper is prolly the best way to get in, as even the most expensive deck is tops $15.

[dahcmai]

Look into Momir Vig Basic, it's a ton of fun and you only need the one avatar dude and a pile of basic land. Can't beat that.

[MMogg]

N-n-n-n-necro powerrrrrrrrrrrr


So, in all seriousness. Since I am further away from my favorite LGS and closer to the ones that do nothing but extended and standard, i am looking for some MTG to play that isn't Workstation (though I still may end up there).

I'm not shelling the cash out to rebuild my legacy collection on MTGO, but if I download MTGO is there any legit fun shit i can do for relatively cheap? Pauper i know was already suggested, is there anything else? I'm one of those scrubs that has a hard time spending money on virtual cards when I could just buy the real ones, and I just moved into a new apartment with the lady, so I'd like the options to be budget friendly.

suggestions?

Actually, I'm in exactly the same position you are in and I've given this a lot of thought. So far I consider my options to be:


Continue to play Pauper and build a bunch of decks (it's actually similar to Legacy in that the deck variants are nearly endless).
Tribal Wars (a format where your deck has to be 1/3 a particular creature type)
Casual Classic (If you watch games and matches that people play online, you'll see that Casual often really means casual. Since they have different play areas [the Tournament Practice section and the Casual Decks section], you can usually get away with a budget/cheesy/janky deck of your dreams.)


Other than that, I think the other option I have toyed with is trying to "go infinite" on drafting, that is to draft and win packs (or sell drafted cards) so I don't need to buy packs to enter the following draft, and then using the cards I draft to build some formats like Standard Singleton and maybe even Standard casual or something. This is a very long-term idea though. I'm considering starting this with M11. I figure, not having drafted M10 before, I'd be at a disadvantage drafting versus those who know the format very well.

Frankly, there is no really cheap option, but stuff like Pauper, Tribal (especially janky tribes) and casual are likely to give you the most fun.

I would say it also depends the kind of player you are. If you are easily bored (like me) and can't confine yourself to playing one deck, you may lean towards Pauper. If, on the other hand, you like to tinker with a deck and build it to perfection, you may like casual Classic or Tribal Wars. Hope that helps, and in return, since I'm in the same position, I'm interested to hear what you end up deciding to do and why.

[Elfrago]

Other than that, I think the other option I have toyed with is trying to "go infinite" on drafting, that is to draft and win packs (or sell drafted cards) so I don't need to buy packs to enter the following draft, and then using the cards I draft to build some formats like Standard Singleton and maybe even Standard casual or something. This is a very long-term idea though. I'm considering starting this with M11. I figure, not having drafted M10 before, I'd be at a disadvantage drafting versus those who know the format very well.


Unless you're very very good forget this idea. I mean 1850+ limited rating.

I second the other options you posted and I'll add one: look for a cheap deck in one of the current formats. For example Devastating Red is a deck that you can build for a decent price and can win games in both standard and block constructed and then start winning from there. Stuff like Standard Dredge pops up onec in a while and is cheap and good.

[MMogg]

Unless you're very very good forget this idea. I mean 1850+ limited rating.

It shouldn't be too too difficult. Ok, at least win some packs so that you don't need to pay out for three packs each time. For example, there are 4-3-2-2 type drafts so if you come in fourth place you still get two packs. There are also the Swiss Drafts and that is a pack for each round you win, so again, if you win half your matches you've got 2 packs. Maybe I'm naive (probably), but at least for me personally, I was always much much better at Limited than Constructed.

As an aside, whatever happened to Rochester Drafting? Is that no longer a format or what? (I mean in paper or online.)

[Nihil Credo]

Going infinite (or just lowering your costs through steady 4322 performance) is much harder on a core set than on an expert-level expansion. Core sets are a lot more bomb-driven than expert sets: M10 was a particularly terrible offender in that regard thanks to the power spread being extremely spiked towards mythics and rares, and M11 does not seem too likely to reverse that trend. The lack of set themes also drastically limits your ability to metagame or to discover niche archetypes (I remember drafting a ton of free Ravnica block by going GUW Stall, which was largely ignored at the time).

Your best bet is to start drafting with a new large set and stay as near the top of the curve as possible. A big help towards doing so is drafting IRL and/or using the (otherwise crappy) free draft platforms to get a feel for the set before it is released on MTGO.


As an aside, whatever happened to Rochester Drafting? Is that no longer a format or what? (I mean in paper or online.)

Logistics killed it. It was near-universally considered one of the most skill-intensive formats ever, but with each player picking individually it ate an obscene amount of drafting time compared to booster draft.

[oldbsturgeon]

Unless you're very very good forget this idea. I mean 1850+ limited rating.

I certainly couldn't do that. in the 3 drafts I have done since beginning playing in 95 I have landed an amazing 1599 rating. Online I may have done around 4 drafts and that one, I know I have never even won a game online.

here is my wonderful limited rating
08-09-1659824, Shards of Alara PR Saturday: 2008-09-27 3

4 Chris Clark Loss 1599
3 Joey Allagas Win 1602
2 Anthony Jones Win 1598
1 john hamilton Win 1593

08-07-1640423, N America - Friday Night Magic - Jul 2008: 2008-07-25 - 2008-07-26 10

5 KEVIN M. BRYANT Loss 1589
4 john a. ware Loss 1594
3 Jason A. Hager Loss 1597
2 Ian Strege Win 1598
1 Boyd N. Adams Win 1594

06-01-960839, 17357 Richmond Trials 06: 2006-01-14 14

4 Brandon Alcers Loss 1590
3 Chaz Griffith Win 1600
2 Zach D. Williams Loss 1587
1 Jeremy R. Sallie Tie 1599
Initial rating 1600

well it looks like I'm at least 50% 6 wins, 6 losses and 1 tie

[MMogg]

Going infinite (or just lowering your costs through steady 4322 performance) is much harder on a core set than on an expert-level expansion. Core sets are a lot more bomb-driven than expert sets: M10 was a particularly terrible offender in that regard thanks to the power spread being extremely spiked towards mythics and rares, and M11 does not seem too likely to reverse that trend. The lack of set themes also drastically limits your ability to metagame or to discover niche archetypes (I remember drafting a ton of free Ravnica block by going GUW Stall, which was largely ignored at the time).

Your best bet is to start drafting with a new large set and stay as near the top of the curve as possible. A big help towards doing so is drafting IRL and/or using the (otherwise crappy) free draft platforms to get a feel for the set before it is released on MTGO.

Hmm, I'll have to think on this. Thanks for the advice. Too bad the next block is artifacts. Boo. (Boring, imho)


Logistics killed it. It was near-universally considered one of the most skill-intensive formats ever, but with each player picking individually it ate an obscene amount of drafting time compared to booster draft.

Wow. I haven't been around paper Magic to notice and I had guessed online never got around to it. That sucks. It was my favourite format.


well it looks like I'm at least 50% 6 wins, 6 losses and 1 tie

See, if you Swiss Draft online and have a 50% record, that's 2 packs won for each tournament, which means your entrance fee would be one pack and whatever tickets, not bad. If you found a NixTix you could be even better off. :smile:

[Sims]

I'm thinking I might get in with Pauper at first, as it's going to be the cheapest, and if i decide to branch out i'll go from there. I'm looking at MTGOtraders right now and they're out of Momir Vig avatars, which sucks, cause that sounds like fun lol. It is really tough to swallow spending similar or higher amounts of money on cards i already own in paper. Kind of sucks.

Looking for ideas for a competitive pauper deck, or a place i can look them up?

edit: pauper rules question- if a card in your collection is uncommon but it was printed before as a common, is it legal, or do i ahve to have the version that was printed as common?

[xTrainx]

PDC is pretty nice for Pauper - free tournaments, and you can win credit to other stores - which can translate to maybe a 4$ gain in MTGO money if you placed first. If not, maybe 2$, but then again, fun for free?

I built an EXT Pauper deck for 4 tix and a Standard one for 2. And then another Standard one for one more ticket.

Also getting into Classic Pauper, although it can be more pricey, might be worth it because you can play in those PDC events as well; and also the 'legit' tournaments.

The plan is to build up tickets there, and then try to get into a draft or two, and go infinite from there - I'm a fairly decent drafter.

[Sims]

Mind PMing or sharing what your Standard/EXT pauper lists are?

I took a bit of a plunge and built a Classic/Legacy/Whatevery Pauper Sligh deck. Kiln Fiend, Spark Elemental, Marauders, burn, etc... Didn't cost too much and the few 1v1 games i've played have been fun so far. But I know i'm going to need/want to branch out at some point.

[Koby]

Goblins is really competitive, as well as GW Slivers, among a few counter decks.

Last week's winning Pauper decks (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1257164)

[MMogg]

edit: pauper rules question- if a card in your collection is uncommon but it was printed before as a common, is it legal, or do i ahve to have the version that was printed as common?

Anything common online is ok. That means, for example, Exile is ok even though it was printed in paper as a rare.

[DuxDucis]

Check out http://www.pdcmagic.com

Lots of lists and discussions about different Pauper decks across all formats. Plus it has the schedule of all the Player Run Events for Pauper.

[MMogg]

Am I the only one who gets frustrated over the unrealistic and ridiculous draws MTGO gives you? I just played a game where I had to mulligan to five and over the first few turns I drew 3 x Castigate and 4 x Duress (also 2 x 1 creature). Are you kidding me? I play 4 Oblivion Ring, 3 Journey to Nowhere and 3 Unmake and drew none of any of them (Pauper, if you're wondering). Shit like that turns me off of MTGO way more than anything else.

Does anyone else have the same desire to eviscerate the shuffler? LOL

[menace13]

Am I the only one who gets frustrated over the unrealistic and ridiculous draws MTGO gives you? I just played a game where I had to mulligan to five and over the first few turns I drew 3 x Castigate and 4 x Duress (also 2 x 1 creature). Are you kidding me? I play 4 Oblivion Ring, 3 Journey to Nowhere and 3 Unmake and drew none of any of them (Pauper, if you're wondering). Shit like that turns me off of MTGO way more than anything else.

Does anyone else have the same desire to eviscerate the shuffler? LOL

Pfft! There are threads and legends dedicated to this very thing,I hate it. Time goes by much faster during a game online than paper, so getting more games over the same time period would result in more opening hands and truly random probabilities could be an explanation. i'll tell you the real truth tho..Their shuffler is controlled omnipotently aware of all game states by HAL 9000!!!:eek:

[menace13]

Okay, I am in shock and had to tell more people than i know..... Extended UW Blink-Lark went 4-0 in todays Legacy DE- daily event-25 man....!!!!!!!! New DTB?

Edit: 63 card main deck pilot-myhere


:eyebrow:

[MMogg]

Okay, I am in shock and had to tell more people than i know..... Extended UW Blink-Lark went 4-0 in todays Legacy DE- daily event-25 man....!!!!!!!! New DTB?

Edit: 63 card main deck pilot-myhere


:eyebrow:

To be fair, he had favourable match ups. Mulldrifter and Revwhatever (dude who brings in two creatures with power 2 or less) is sick versus Astral Slide.

That said, Daily Events have no T8... it's just Swiss. Lastly, remember when Dream Halls.dec wrecked a 200+ man tournament and everyone thought it was the next DTB? Where is that deck now? It's not so hard for unsuspecting piles to win a tournament. There was actually a thread somewhere around here about times when people's finely tuned Legacy deck got trounced by a pile of jank.

[menace13]

To be fair, he had favourable match ups. Mulldrifter and Revwhatever (dude who brings in two creatures with power 2 or less) is sick versus Astral Slide.

That said, Daily Events have no T8... it's just Swiss. Lastly, remember when Dream Halls.dec wrecked a 200+ man tournament and everyone thought it was the next DTB? Where is that deck now? It's not so hard for unsuspecting piles to win a tournament. There was actually a thread somewhere around here about times when people's finely tuned Legacy deck got trounced by a pile of jank.

Peh! says you. Someone quick primer write.. go go.

[Elfrago]

It shouldn't be too too difficult. Ok, at least win some packs so that you don't need to pay out for three packs each time. For example, there are 4-3-2-2 type drafts so if you come in fourth place you still get two packs.

Winning some packs every time is easier, I do it and my limited rating is on the lower half of 1700. But paying 6 bucks for every time you draft might still translate to a lot of money, depending on how often you want to draft. My personal experinece with it was bad, I "lost" a lot of money with it and that stopped when I switched to constructed.

[Shugyosha]

Am I the only one who gets frustrated over the unrealistic and ridiculous draws MTGO gives you? I just played a game where I had to mulligan to five and over the first few turns I drew 3 x Castigate and 4 x Duress (also 2 x 1 creature). Are you kidding me? I play 4 Oblivion Ring, 3 Journey to Nowhere and 3 Unmake and drew none of any of them (Pauper, if you're wondering). Shit like that turns me off of MTGO way more than anything else.

Does anyone else have the same desire to eviscerate the shuffler? LOL

The problem is twofold:

Technical: Computer shufflers are hold true to the rules, they shuffle randomly. People in paper Magic can't shuffle this way in a tournament with 50 minutes so the deck is only sufficiently randomised but not truly randomised. But that is also not what people want, they want a library stacked with spells and land weaved and not truly randomised.

Psychological: If there is something to blame on someone people tend to blame other persons or thing than themselves. Its a protection mechanism for selfesteem. With MWS and MTGO its really easy to blame the computer. Its also a common phenomenon that we weight the implications of a single event over the statistical implication of like 10.000 events. In 10.000 games the shuffler would seem much better.

That said, I have to admit: I blame the shuffler, too. Its so easy to do.

[cdr]

Indeed, the MTGO shuffler is truly random and the way people physically shuffle is not. You will tend to get better draws IRL because you are not perfectly randomizing your deck.

You could possibly argue that computer games should shuffle the way people do rather than randomly, but I'm sure that argument has been rehashed plenty.

[MMogg]

Yeah, it's hard to get my head around the whole "truly random" thing. That's like asking a computer to randomly choose three Source members and it produces Zilla, Bardo and Nightmare. One would – with our meager human understanding – probably see the relationship between them and assume there is something amiss. Similarly, when I draw 4 Duress and 3 Castigate in the first few turns using a 60 card deck, I would assume something is amiss. You could probably say that the cards are all unique to the computer and the computer does not see the relationship between one Duress and the others and instead views them as separate entities. Still, it sometimes seems miraculous to draw a 3 or 4 of in your opening hand particularly because I would expect it to be better randomized than I can do.

As for psychological, how or why could I blame myself for drawing 4 of one card and 3 of another? If the computer is truly randomized (and in this case, all I do is click a button) surely I have no control whatsoever over the shuffler or what I draw. I think you misunderstood this as a complaint about losing, and that's not it at all, actually. There are many times I have won as well because of the shuffler giving me 3-4 of a bomb card in my deck (e.g. 3 of a sideboarded card in one's opening hand). That still doesn't detract from my initial wonder: why does the MTGO shuffler always seem to give me cards in groups/clumps?


Indeed, the MTGO shuffler is truly random and the way people physically shuffle is not. You will tend to get better draws IRL because you are not perfectly randomizing your deck.

You could possibly argue that computer games should shuffle the way people do rather than randomly, but I'm sure that argument has been rehashed plenty.

Hmm, if we assume this to be true, does that then lead to the conclusion that online Magic is more "luck" based than paper? (I don't actually believe in luck per se, but you know what I mean, randomness.)

[cdr]

That still doesn't detract from my initial wonder: why does the MTGO shuffler always seem to give me cards in groups/clumps?

Because 'clumps' happen when you're distributing randomly. When I said 'better draws' above I really meant 'more consistent' because people tend to have cards more equally distributed through a deck. In your example, those cards could've just as easily been 4 Swamp 3 Plains and you'd be cursing your unlucky manaflood. 'Streaks' or 'clumps' are a hallmark of randomness.


Hmm, if we assume this to be true, does that then lead to the conclusion that online Magic is more "luck" based than paper? (I don't actually believe in luck per se, but you know what I mean, randomness.)

I don't really want to touch that, but you could argue that more randomness = more luck.

[MMogg]

Because 'clumps' happen when you're distributing randomly. When I said 'better draws' above I really meant 'more consistent' because people tend to have cards more equally distributed through a deck. In your example, those cards could've just as easily been 4 Swamp 3 Plains and you'd be cursing your unlucky manaflood. 'Streaks' or 'clumps' are a hallmark of randomness.

Hmm, interesting. Does that not conflict with the rule of thumb that you put a 4 of in your deck if you want to see it more consistently, and 2 of if you don't (e.g. Sylvan Library in Zoo)? It would seem, by what you're saying, that statistical probability has little to do with the reality of true randomization, no?

So, if clumps/streaks are the hallmark of true randomization, what are the implications for building decks online? Would they not be different than paper?


I don't really want to touch that

Gee, why not? :wink:

[cdr]

Hmm, interesting. Does that not conflict with the rule of thumb that you put a 4 of in your deck if you want to see it more consistently, and 2 of if you don't (e.g. Sylvan Library in Zoo)? It would seem, by what you're saying, that statistical probability has little to do with the reality of true randomization, no?

So, if clumps/streaks are the hallmark of true randomization, what are the implications for building decks online? Would they not be different than paper?

Statistical probability is unrelated to randomness, except as far as you mean distribution. The problem is that some people think that 'random' = 'well distributed'. When you're flipping a (random) coin, HHHHHTTTTT is just as probable as HTHTHTHTHT. The fallacy is to think that every time the coin comes up heads, it's increasingly likely that the next flip will come up tails - it is, in fact, still 50/50.

Putting more copies of a card in your deck would be more important in MTGO, if anything. In real life you can have them better distributed (less randomly distributed) on average, and both be more likely to see one within X cards and less likely to see more than one.

In real life, the DCI's standard of randomness is 'not knowing the position of any one card'. In real life, you can mana weave and then shuffle 5-7 times - you won't be able to know the position of any particular card, but the distribution of your lands/spells will be far from random.

[TeenieBopper]

I just purchased two pauper decks. I hate you all.

[ImpinAintEasy]

I just purchased two pauper decks. I hate you all.

I'm sorry?


Which ones?

[rockout]

Not sure if you guys knew this but I am the clan captain for The Source on Magic Online. Just figured I should let you guys know. Not sure why I was given the lead but whatever feel free to message me for an invite if you want.

[TeenieBopper]

I'm sorry?


Which ones?

5c Rioters control and Naya.

[ImpinAintEasy]

Not sure if you guys knew this but I am the clan captain for The Source on Magic Online. Just figured I should let you guys know. Not sure why I was given the lead but whatever feel free to message me for an invite if you want.

I appreciate the offer of an invite, but I am already involved in one of the best eternal clans online currently!!!!

[MMogg]

TES just went 4-0 in today's Legacy Daily. Combo's not dead. :cool:

[ImpinAintEasy]

TES just went 4-0 in today's Legacy Daily. Combo's not dead. :cool:

Storm went 4-0 in the Daily event held on 6-21. New Horizons also went 4-0 and 3-1 in the same event. Mr. Coke went 3-1 with slide, Canadian Thresh went 3-1, Zoo went 3-1 twice and Survival Bant went 3-1.

Daily Event #1335090 (http://http://www.wizards.com/magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1335090)

Another interesting New Horizons list went 4-0 in this event (http://http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1335074).

I'm having some link issues, let's see if these work.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1335090

http://www.wizards.com/magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/1335074

[menace13]

Zoo is the most winning deck now online ahead of Goblins and DnT. Zoo Just passed them this week.

[rockout]

I appreciate the offer of an invite, but I am already involved in one of the best eternal clans online currently!!!!

/Golf Clap ;-)

[CephalidBreakfast]

TES just went 4-0 in today's Legacy Daily. Combo's not dead. :cool:


This was me. I wasn't even running Mystical Tutors, although I also played against zero Force of Wills, so it was hard not to win. :)

[MMogg]

This was me. I wasn't even running Mystical Tutors, although I also played against zero Force of Wills, so it was hard not to win. :)

Well done, sir! You made me a believer once again in storm.

Although you didn't face FoW, you faced plenty of hand rape and still smashed face. :smile:

Edit: Dude, watching the replays today... you won again?! Wow. back to back with TES. Sweet. You're really cooking with TES. (pun shamelessly intended)

Edit part deux: in the 3rd Rd match versus CB-Thopter, shouldn't he have Force of Willed your Wish? :confused:

[CephalidBreakfast]

Edit part deux: in the 3rd Rd match versus CB-Thopter, shouldn't he have Force of Willed your Wish? :confused:

Yeah. I tried to play the wish as early in the chain as possible to try to get him not to. I figured my only chance to win that game was to go for it that turn with CB set on 4, and it worked out. He messaged me afterward and said he was distracted and wasn't thinking or something. I've played him in several 2-man queues, and he's a good player, he just made a mistake.

It's worth noting that I did play 2 Mystical Tutor this time around. They were relevant in two games, but I don't feel like the deck changes much without them. I'm pretty sure this is the face of storm after July 1.

[Muradin]

Is it me or does the first link of impinainteasy not work?

[menace13]

http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/magiconline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening

This link has all the events on modo to the right of the screen. Just click on the event type and date to see the winning lists.

[Sims]

Needs moar talk about pauper. Pauper is crazy fun on here. I haven't played any standard or extended PREs yet, but the TPDC classic ones that i've done so far have been rather entertaining.

[TeenieBopper]

Needs moar talk about pauper. Pauper is crazy fun on here. I haven't played any standard or extended PREs yet, but the TPDC classic ones that i've done so far have been rather entertaining.

Truth. Pauper is awesome. For the cost of a single Big Jace, I can build just about any deck in the format (and that's a lot of decks!). And when a new set comes out, you know how much it's goign to cost me to keep up? Ten, fifteen cents.

I actually haven't played in any of the standard PDCs, despite standard being the format that got me into it. I really didn't feel like dealing with Kor Skyfisher/Gravedigger shenanigans (despite the fact that I build Big Naya, which smashes them).

[MMogg]

I got thoroughly tired of Pauper recently. If I never see another Mulldrifter, Aven Riftwatcher or Kor Skyfisher I'll be a happy man. Pauper is similar to Legacy in that there are tier 1 creatures and there is a kind of myth like you can play any common you want or I should say the card pool is so massive, but in reality people play the same shit over and over and over.

Edit: Well, this is a kick in the pants. I can't log in to MTGO . . . a nice Error L0023. No customer service around for hours and hours. Good stuff. Glad I paid them for virtual cards that I can virtually use. Paper 4 life, dawg.

[Sims]

I got thoroughly tired of Pauper recently. If I never see another Mulldrifter, Aven Riftwatcher or Kor Skyfisher I'll be a happy man. Pauper is similar to Legacy in that there are tier 1 creatures and there is a kind of myth like you can play any common you want or I should say the card pool is so massive, but in reality people play the same shit over and over and over.

Edit: Well, this is a kick in the pants. I can't log in to MTGO . . . a nice Error L0023. No customer service around for hours and hours. Good stuff. Glad I paid them for virtual cards that I can virtually use. Paper 4 life, dawg.

What were you playing in? I've noticed a lot of burn, storm, and goblins in the 2's queue, and when i've played in the TPDC events on tuesday nights (here in the US) I've actually seen U/R, U/R/x, B/U, Mono U, Burn, Goblins, 4c Good Stuff, 3c Tempo, MGA, WW, etc.... the metagames have been much wider in the PREs than in the premier events and 2's queues. And that's just Classic, i haven't played in any PREs for standard or 1.x, but it's natural to gravitate towards powerful creatures with CIP abilities when you don't have too many long term sources of CA. Mulldrifter and Skyfisher (to reuse ninja or drifter or CIP abilities) are ways of eeking out as much bang for your buck as possible.

I mean, sure I think you could get away with playing Sage Owl, but aren't Sea Gate Oracle and Mulldrifter strictly better?

[Elfrago]

there is a kind of myth like you can play any common you want or I should say the card pool is so massive, but in reality people play the same shit over and over and over.


Quoted for truth.
But at least there's no Tarmogoyf =P

[ImpinAintEasy]

I gave up playing pauper awhile ago. It just gets boring way to fast. I guess the nice thing is, it is so cheap you can go rogue at anytime without even feeling a dent in your wallet.

[MMogg]

What were you playing in? I've noticed a lot of burn, storm, and goblins in the 2's queue, and when i've played in the TPDC events on tuesday nights (here in the US) I've actually seen U/R, U/R/x, B/U, Mono U, Burn, Goblins, 4c Good Stuff, 3c Tempo, MGA, WW, etc.... the metagames have been much wider in the PREs than in the premier events and 2's queues. And that's just Classic, i haven't played in any PREs for standard or 1.x, but it's natural to gravitate towards powerful creatures with CIP abilities when you don't have too many long term sources of CA. Mulldrifter and Skyfisher (to reuse ninja or drifter or CIP abilities) are ways of eeking out as much bang for your buck as possible.

I mean, sure I think you could get away with playing Sage Owl, but aren't Sea Gate Oracle and Mulldrifter strictly better?

I haven't joined any tournaments since they conflict with my work schedule, so I play mainly in the tournament practice room. Now that summer vacation is here, I might be able to try the tournaments.

Yeah, that's basically what Pauper is all about: getting the most out of your cards, which is why Staggershock is more widely used than Chan Lightning, but as I said, that makes the best spells very limited, which makes the format a bit dull.


Quoted for truth.
But at least there's no Tarmogoyf =P

LOL I would prefer Tarmo to Aven Rifwatcher since he usually prolongs the games. =) There's also that white gain 2 life land, something Crossroads. bleh. Burn is pretty much unplayable when your opponent gains 10 life minimum.

[TeenieBopper]

FUCK Tarmogoyf

[MMogg]

Wow, Belcher just raped the Legacy Daily Event. Love the exchange between the Burn opponent and Belcher. Belcher just wins on the play, 1st turn:

Belcher player: gg
Burn player: ? How is that good?

A lot of games were crazy good for this player on this day. Go, go combo!

[Elfrago]

LOL I would prefer Tarmo to Aven Rifwatcher since he usually prolongs the games. =) There's also that white gain 2 life land, something Crossroads. bleh. Burn is pretty much unplayable when your opponent gains 10 life minimum.

Tarmogoyf single handely axed 90% of the playable creatures in legacy while Riftwatcher killed just one deck. And burn sucks anyway =P

[MMogg]

Tarmogoyf single handely axed 90% of the playable creatures in legacy while Riftwatcher killed just one deck. And burn sucks anyway =P

Which begs the question, what exactly is he doing with his other hand? :wink:

[Sims]

Riftwatcher, Lone Missionary, Kabira Crossroads... yeah they're a pain in the nuts for straight burn decks, to be sure. But most of those decks have Fiend or Dragonauts (or both) for extra reach against the lifegain. While it is baring removal, who cares if your opponent spent turn 3 playing a guy that gains him total 4 life, you burn it out of the way and swing with 7+ power.

[TeenieBopper]

Played affinity in the premier this after noon (jank build, built it short a land. Whoops). Started off 0-2 and then won out the next five rounds for 14th. Only saw one mulldrifter and no kor sky fisher. In fact, I saw more red and g/r than anything.

[Aggro_zombies]

Which begs the question, what exactly is he doing with his other hand? :wink:
Punching opponents in their nuts.

[menace13]

Updated Standings for Online Events. As of 6-28.
Goblins - 64
Zoo -- 63
DnT -- 52
ANT --42
Landstill- 40
Merfolk --39
Reanimator--37
Countertop-- 33
Dredge--30

Mystical Tutor ban and Grim Monolith/Mask become legal 14th instead of the 1st.

Edit: Some of the events were not factored in, new results are up.
Online is only missing Lands.deck to complete Legacy, which should read as Maze of Ith and Ports.

[menace13]

1 Zoo 77 Wins = 15 4-0's 62 3-1's

2 Goblins 65 12 53

3 Death & Taxes 56 13 42

4 Landstill 50 15 34

5 Merfolk 42 6 33

6 Ad Nauseam Storm 42 11 31

7 Reanimator 37 13 23

8 Dredge 35 8 26

9 CounterTop 33 2 31

New results for online as of 7/8.
Zoo is #1
The 1st number is the amount of placings and the 2nd and 3rd are the 4-0 wins and 3-1 wins.

[ImpinAintEasy]

Where are the stats for New Horizons? I know that deck isn't seeing as much play as the others but it should have several placements.

[menace13]

Where are the stats for New Horizons? I know that deck isn't seeing as much play as the others but it should have several placements.

Ranked 12 with 18 wins split into 5 4-0's and 13 3-1's. It is 1 win behind Enchantress.

[menace13]

Second EVER Legacy Premier event fired 33 man 6 rounds swiss to top 8.
Top 8 breakdown by deck:

1st. Aeon Bridge(that's right Adam)
2nd. Aluren (no joke)
3rd. DnT( went 6-0 in swiss losing only in Semi-finals by Blazelix)
4th. UBw Fae
5th. Zoo
6th. Counterbalance Thopter
7th. TES( looked like Bryant's exact list)
8th. Led-less Ichorid( Ghastless)

[mchainmail]

How has Legacy been on MTGO? Is there still a critical mass of people playing? I'm thinking of buying in with storm combo in the near future.

[DalkonCledwin]

How has Legacy been on MTGO? Is there still a critical mass of people playing? I'm thinking of buying in with storm combo in the near future.

daily events fire pretty frequently (about once a day). There are usually between 20 and 30 people in a daily event. Overall the meta has most of the typical archetypes you would expect to see in a developed legacy metagame. There are of course the regulars as far as participants in the MTGO Legacy Daily Events. The people who attend these events the most frequently and play consistent decks.

[MMogg]

I'd say the meta is more diverse and unexpected than you may find at a typical local shop. I've seen players switch up their decks from one day to the next, so you can never know what someone is going to be playing.

Also, skill level varies and there are usually a handful of pros/former pros who enter the Dailies, so I wouldn't expect any kind of cake walk when it comes to playing.

I must say, I just bought TES and Belcher for MTGO and I have a little bit of regret. The shuffler seems a bit nuts and I know that's a constant complaint, but I've had so many games where I draw endless mana and accel, but no Wishes or Tutors. E.g. I had three D. Rituals in my opening 7, and also a couple cantrips. I Ponder and see 2 more Ponders. I Brainstorm and see Brainstorms. bleh. I find stuff is clumped. Playing the mirror, I have 3 LEDs in my opening 7, my opponent goes first... D. Ritual, Duress, Duress, Duress. :eek: Seriously, I know I'm new to MTGO, but the feeling and playing seems very different from paper.

[freakish777]

Azorius Guildmage in Momir Vig Basic is officially more broken than Yawgmoth's Will in Vintage.

[menace13]

Azorius Guildmage in Momir Vig Basic is officially more broken than Yawgmoth's Will in Vintage.

Heh, Yeah she is good there.
Galepowder Mage,Avatar of Woe,Gigantomancer,Fa'adiyah Seer/Sinbad, are all pretty good too. Other day had some guy go turn 1 on play Student of Warfare...that game was over really quick.

[xXxBretWeedxXx]

Azorius Guildmage in Momir Vig Basic is officially more broken than Yawgmoth's Will in Vintage.

Yup pretty broken.

One of the other most broken cards is Oracle of Mul Daya. Got it and landed my first Emrakul shortly after.

[MMogg]

Thought you guys would get a kick out of this. I saw some WotC guy playing a Test and it didn't allow watchers. So I waited for him to be completed so I could watch the replay to see what he was testing. Can you say broken?

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss48/MMMoggg/avatar.jpg

Not sure what the point of testing this is. I guess it is to test a bunch of different mechanics through one card. :eyebrow:

[stacker]

storm wins legacy MOCS!

storm is dead!

[Nihil Credo]

Not sure what the point of testing this is. I guess it is to test a bunch of different mechanics through one card. :eyebrow:

It's so you can quickly set up whatever scenario you require in order to test new cards, without having to wait to draw the right pieces and mana. I vaguely remember that Congress "card" being shown in some article on MTG.com.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Thought you guys would get a kick out of this. I saw some WotC guy playing a Test and it didn't allow watchers. So I waited for him to be completed so I could watch the replay to see what he was testing. Can you say broken?


Not sure what the point of testing this is. I guess it is to test a bunch of different mechanics through one card. :eyebrow:

i know you guy's have limited access in China, but a while back on the Wizards website, they talked about testing Magic Online and thats how they do it. In real life, you can say "pretend i just drew X, what would happen?" for MTGO testing, they use the Congress card. It's a way for them to program any scenario without hacking the game per se

[MMogg]

Interesting. Thanks guys. In his testing, he was actually just putting lots of land in play and casting the white multikicker bird. LOL

[Julian23]

I am (or..was) playing in today's Daily Event Legacy. However, servers went down after Round 2 and I have no glue if they ever plan on coming back up again. As you can tell, I'm kinda pissed as I was running really good...

Does anyone know if they usually just refund your entry fee or actually continue the tournament if servers come back up in a reasonable amount of time?

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I'd ask an ORC. but I'm pretty sure you'd get a refund.

[menace13]

I am (or..was) playing in today's Daily Event Legacy. However, servers went down after Round 2 and I have no glue if they ever plan on coming back up again. As you can tell, I'm kinda pissed as I was running really good...

Does anyone know if they usually just refund your entry fee or actually continue the tournament if servers come back up in a reasonable amount of time?
You get the refund. Tell an ORC, write down the event number and they will link you to a compensation form.

Info off Wizo forums;

http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=668

If you did not write down the event number(and really who does) Using The name of the event and the rough time it started should be fine in lieu of the Event ID.

More info Anyone who needs their event number: go to the following folder on your computer:

%AppData%\Wizards of the Coast\Magic Online\3.0\Decks\TournamentDecks

There you should find all tournament decks submitted. The 7-digit number after "Match_" is the event number.

If for some reason you do not have a deck for your event (for instance, you were still drafting and thus didn't submit a deck yet), provide an estimated start time along with the event type.

[Elfrago]

Anyone interested in an online clan? I mean, a serious one, with actual discussion and sharing of ideas, not only a group with a cool name. And confined to Legacy.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I don't play seriously on there. maybe once every week or two I'll sign in and draft. and that's only if I dont get to play IRL in that time. MTGO is kinda like my back-alley drug dealer when I can't get my fix.

[Cabal_chan]

Anyone interested in an online clan? I mean, a serious one, with actual discussion and sharing of ideas, not only a group with a cool name. And confined to Legacy.

I'd be up for it. Just finished 5c TES. :smile:

[mchainmail]

I've been grinding a good number of matches over the past week, I'm 32-27 with Lands in the past week.

Feel free to message me on MODO (mchain). I also have TES and BR goblins.

[Sims]

I would be interested in this if I didn't have an aversion to spending even more money to maintain a second collection.

[Windux]

Are there some cheap Legacy Decks for MOdo available?

I know that my 4c Loam would cost alot of money (KotR, Goyf, Vindicates, Duals, Fetchies, Burning Wish, Mox Diamonds).

Zoo, Dredge, TES, ANT or something?
FoW costs like 100Tix or?

[Sims]

That's my biggest issue. I'd probably want to port over my Merfolk deck (I already have my burn deck online cause that was like 30 bucks) but i'm not shelling out that ridiculous amount of tix for Force of Will, or LED for that matter. Dredge probably isn't too pricey but i've never seen it personally do to well in any of the replays i've seen due to the overwhelming mass of hate problem.

Dunno, I'd like to...but it's probably not going to happen.

[Cabal_chan]

I've been grinding a good number of matches over the past week, I'm 32-27 with Lands in the past week.

Feel free to message me on MODO (mchain). I also have TES and BR goblins.

Ah, so that's you I've been seeing. XD I haven't entered a daily yet, perhaps sometime next month as time permits/I get used to the interface.


Are there some cheap Legacy Decks for MOdo available?

I know that my 4c Loam would cost alot of money (KotR, Goyf, Vindicates, Duals, Fetchies, Burning Wish, Mox Diamonds).

Zoo, Dredge, TES, ANT or something?
FoW costs like 100Tix or?

Yes, 4c Loam would probably hurt. I took a Rock list from the SCG Open, that came out to about $750. I don't know about the prices for other decks (TES cost about $450, with 4*70=$280 of that being a playset of LEDs). FoW is about $80, Wasteland $22.

I used MTGOTraders, Supernova, and CardHoarders for prices/buying.

I can post the meta data from the last few Dailies once I get home. Maybe that will help some people make a decision/offer insight.

[Elfrago]

Sorry guys, I'm an idiot. I meant to write "NOT confined to Legacy" and somehow forgot the not. If you guys are still up for it, we can decide how to do it. Sorry again.

@DownSyndromeKarl: All my local dealers were busted by the cops! XD

@Sims: if you play the most common formats (Standard, Block, Pauper) it's actually not hard to "go infinite" which means win enough to keep going without paying. Last time I spent cash on modo was over a year ago! If you're interested I can give you some more tips.

@Windux: Burn is cheap, Dredge is little more but still affordable.

[menace13]

Now is a really good time to buy into Legacy( except FoWs and LEDs are 80/60) a full playset of all 40 duals from master's edition 4 will run under 400.
Wasteland is being released as a Promo so it will probably fall to 15.

Dredge, Death and Taxes, Goblins, Elves are all around 200 or less.

Zoo, Countertop and Storm have been the top performers as of Jan 2nd, 2011 with over 10 Placings each.

[sclabman]

I drafted ME4 yesterday and cracked an Underground Sea, to my delight. But then I realized it's barely worth the cost of the draft.

And LED's are like fifty tickets. What the hell?!

[Julian23]

There's already a The Source clan. I however don't know if I can invite people into it.

Just finished Bryant Cooks TES list some days ago, giving it a lot of practice.

[Koby]

I drafted ME4 yesterday and cracked an Underground Sea, to my delight. But then I realized it's barely worth the cost of the draft.

And LED's are like fifty tickets. What the hell?!

I'll take $15 Underground Seas over $50 LEDs everyday of the week.

[Cabal_chan]

Sorry guys, I'm an idiot. I meant to write "NOT confined to Legacy" and somehow forgot the not. If you guys are still up for it, we can decide how to do it. Sorry again.

Sure! Though I don't see myself playing much other than Pauper for the near future(I am absolutely horrid at drafting).


There's already a The Source clan. I however don't know if I can invite people into it.

Or that would work, if it's still active.

[Julian23]

It consists of 15 people; about 5 of them I reconize by their name on TS (Waikiki, 4eak, frogboy etc.). Does anyone know how to find out how to invite people / obtain the rights to do so?

[Lorgalis]

To all the people hesitating to jump online, i'd say go for it. I've been there for two months and I don't regret it.

Now it's a good time to join due to the low prices on duals, and if you're moderately skilled you'll be winning tickets on daily events (DE) regularly. So far, in 5 DE I've made prizes 4 times (and I consider myslef to be an average player). That helps me to slowly build up my collection there without spending more money.

At the very worst you'll become better at the game, as it is a very proficient training interface.

[menace13]

It consists of 15 people; about 5 of them I reconize by their name on TS (Waikiki, 4eak, frogboy etc.). Does anyone know how to find out how to invite people / obtain the rights to do so?

The captian can send invites to players by right clicking on the player names.

[Cabal_chan]

I should probably post my MTGO name, if there's clan joining to be had.

Korsakovia

[Elfrago]

Aside from the cost, the problem with online Legacy is the lack of events, there are very few dailies.

Yes, there is a Source clan and I'm in it, but there's zero discussion going on, despite being part of it I spoke with a member only once.

@Cabal Chan: if I'm not mistaken you're just starting on mtgo, if you contact me I can give you some free stuff, my username is Fragoel2.

[Cabal_chan]

@Cabal Chan: if I'm not mistaken you're just starting on mtgo, if you contact me I can give you some free stuff, my username is Fragoel2.

You needn't do something like that for me. O.O I do appreciate the offer though.

That an the online clan thing. Clan sounds like it would be loads of fun (and probably the motivation I need to 'push' myself).

[menace13]

Aside from the cost, the problem with online Legacy is the lack of events, there are very few dailies..
You sure?

Legacy Dailies pretty much fire Daily. 19 have fired since the 2nd of this month for the year. Last year around 250 fired-from April,2010, launch of Legacy Online-.

[mchainmail]

You sure?

Legacy Dailies pretty much fire Daily. 19 have fired since the 2nd of this month for the year. Last year around 250 fired.

Half of them are at the most awkward times in the world though, I've played in 4 since January 16th, and I'm a college student with few actual liabilities.

[Koby]

Half of them are at the most awkward times in the world though, I've played in 4 since January 16th, and I'm a college student with few actual liabilities.

People play Magic in other countries too :P

But I generally agree, last week over half the events were scheduled during the work-day. I come back home from work to find Affinity winning. Go figure!

[mchainmail]

People play Magic in other countries too :P

But I generally agree, last week over half the events were scheduled during the work-day. I come back home from work to find Affinity winning. Go figure!

I know, but the whole "an event a day" breaks down to fewer when you discount the 4 AM ones.

[menace13]

I know, but the whole "an event a day" breaks down to fewer when you discount the 4 AM ones.

As of February 9th through the 15th online events are going to be doubled up.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/magiconline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/calendar#020911

That is 18 Legacy Dailies and 1 Premier. The last few dailies have had turnouts at steady 30+ and a PE fired a few weeks ago.

[Elfrago]

That an the online clan thing. Clan sounds like it would be loads of fun (and probably the motivation I need to 'push' myself).

I don't know if the others are still interested... guys?


As of February 9th through the 15th online events are going to be doubled up.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/magiconline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/calendar#020911


That is a great news!

[Sims]

That is a great news!

It is great news... just not for my wallet. Might mean that I'll actually spend money on building something other than my Rofl-Awful burn deck for Legacy.

I enjoy destroying people playing affinity in Pauper until I run into the inevitable Mox Monkeys.. I need to finish building IzzetPost I guess.

[Julian23]

my MODO screen name is.....*wait for it*...... Julian23. Add / invite me in case you guys start some kind of dedicated TS clan as the current one seems kinda inactive.

[mchainmail]

my MODO screen name is.....*wait for it*...... Julian23. Add / invite me in case you guys start some kind of dedicated TS clan as the current one seems kinda inactive.

This Julian kid keeps Tendrilsing my face! Help guys!

Mchain on MODO.

[Julian23]

Give me Mutavaults and I'll immediately switch to Merfolk! With 4x LED, 4x Infernal Tutor, 4x Dark Ritual, 1x IGG, 1x Tendrils sideboard! Lolz!

[Cabal_chan]

I'm guessing Elfrago is going to start the new one? Or....?

[kusumoto]

i'm kusumoto on MODO

would be nice to do something on there

[Shawn]

SLDewey. I play Pauper and EDH.

[Uncoordinated]

So, how many of those here decks still play on MWS? I don't intend to spend money on buying paper and ink online when I can do it in real life, as much as I would like to - there is absolutely no Legacy where I live - and so I play on MWS.

A quick search of this forum gives me a Source MWS server thread last posted in August of last year, which is now dead. Is there any interest at all in playing on MWS, or has everyone just moved to MTGO? Frankly, I don't think the abundance of bad players and relative server instability is enough for me to spend money on a deck when I can just build it for free.

[Elfrago]

Ideas for the new clan name?

Also, if we're going to have some sort of discussion going on, we need a way to exchange messages. I was thinking of a simple clan forum, but if you prefear we can also use some other stuff (e-mails, message board, facebook messages, etc). What do you think?

[Cabal_chan]

Ideas for the new clan name?

Also, if we're going to have some sort of discussion going on, we need a way to exchange messages. I was thinking of a simple clan forum, but if you prefear we can also use some other stuff (e-mails, message board, facebook messages, etc). What do you think?

A name? Hopefully someone good with that speaks up. Finding cool/awesome names for things is something I can't do.

Simple clan forum sounds like it would work.

[SpikeyMikey]

I'd be down but it'll be a while before I've got enough cards to play. Right now I've got like 15 cards towards my deck. Not spending another $300 to finish it offright now.

[cdr]

Also, if we're going to have some sort of discussion going on, we need a way to exchange messages. I was thinking of a simple clan forum, but if you prefear we can also use some other stuff (e-mails, message board, facebook messages, etc). What do you think?

PS: The admins will almost certainly be willing to make you a private Source forum like they do for teams.

Yup. ~NC

[deviant]

Ideas for the new clan name?


The Source

Your source for bitching about losing to precon burn.


I'd join it.

[Elfrago]

PS: The admins will almost certainly be willing to make you a private Source forum like they do for teams.

Yup. ~NC

Cool! In fact those are soo private that I didn't know about their existence. I'll ask a mod.



The Source

Your source for bitching about losing to precon burn.


I'd join it.

I'd join that too, but we cannot use The Source as a name as it's already been used by the old source clan. I guess the next best name is Anus Mittens? :-P

[Cabal_chan]

I'd join that too, but we cannot use The Source as a name as it's already been used by the old source clan. I guess the next best name is Anus Mittens? :-P

Hehe. I'd be surprised if MTGO didn't filter clan names.

[Gocho]

The Source

Your source for bitching about losing to precon burn.


I'd join it.

I won two DE 4-0 with a precon burn + 2 Tix of cards for SB a month ago :D

[deviant]

I know the deck has won there. That is what makes it funny.

Personally, I got bored of the mtgo legacy very quickly. There were rarely any real decks and no events seemed to ever fire. If they did, you'd play 3 rounds against rubbish where the highlight is something like enchantress. Then maybe against one real deck.
Then they released the precons.

Maybe I'll rebuy some legacy stuff some day. Right now, I don't feel like online legacy is worth wasting my time on.

[menace13]

I know the deck has won there. That is what makes it funny.

Personally, I got bored of the mtgo legacy very quickly. There were rarely any real decks and no events seemed to ever fire. If they did, you'd play 3 rounds against rubbish where the highlight is something like enchantress. Then maybe against one real deck.
Then they released the precons.

Maybe I'll rebuy some legacy stuff some day. Right now, I don't feel like online legacy is worth wasting my time on.

I fail to see how legacy dailies do not fire. They fire daily. Enchantress almost never gets to a 3-1 and is rarely played. Actually the most winning decks for 2011 are Zoo, Countertop, Storm, and The Rock.

[mchainmail]

I fail to see how legacy dailies do not fire. They fire daily. Enchantress almost never gets to a 3-1 and is rarely played. Actually the most winning decks for 2011 are Zoo, Countertop, Storm, and The Rock.

MTGO Legacy has basically caught up already.

Here are my logs of 80 matches; I'm 44-34-2 (One no-show, one system crash) https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoUrjhzYuwVzdGJSMlAyOWhhTWVNTFRPc2pGM3dLcHc&hl=en&authkey=CJKwpLMC

I played against very little rubbish, in both 2-mans and Dailies.

Also, Burn and Affinity have caused me to burn SB slots on them.

I would also be interested in organizing the clan.

Could we usurp the old Source clan name? Or do something like TheSource with no space? The(underscore)Source, etc etc? I don't see a real reason to reinvent the wheel, although Anus Mittens comes in as a close second.

[deviant]

I fail to see how legacy dailies do not fire. They fire daily. Enchantress almost never gets to a 3-1 and is rarely played. Actually the most winning decks for 2011 are Zoo, Countertop, Storm, and The Rock.

I havent played a match of online legacy since they announced the precons.
Maybe it is different now. Back then the dailies fired occasionally, and were completely infested with rubbish. My online legacy win% seems to be almost 85 (not including the gold 2-mans where I went something like 20-3), which I think, speaks more of the metagame back then, than my play skill.

EDIT: if someone doubts my estimated record at the gold queues, back then the only competitive decks (you dont do gold ones with your casual piles) were almost exclusively zoo and goblins. I play storm. It was nice.

[Cabal_chan]

I havent played a match of online legacy since they announced the precons.
Maybe it is different now. Back then the dailies fired occasionally, and were completely infested with rubbish. My online legacy win% seems to be almost 85 (not including the gold 2-mans where I went something like 20-3), which I think, speaks more of the metagame back then, than my play skill.

EDIT: if someone doubts my estimated record at the gold queues, back then the only competitive decks (you dont do gold ones with your casual piles) were almost exclusively zoo and goblins. I play storm. It was nice.

The meta is significantly less janky now. The Precons did make an impact, but the meta is certainly not flooded with Burn and D&T. It's closer to maybe 6-8 (if I included Green and Taxes) out of 30+ people at times, and they are by no means straight out of the digital box lists. They're fairly standard.

[menace13]

I havent played a match of online legacy since they announced the precons.
Maybe it is different now. Back then the dailies fired occasionally, and were completely infested with rubbish. My online legacy win% seems to be almost 85 (not including the gold 2-mans where I went something like 20-3), which I think, speaks more of the metagame back then, than my play skill.

EDIT: if someone doubts my estimated record at the gold queues, back then the only competitive decks (you dont do gold ones with your casual piles) were almost exclusively zoo and goblins. I play storm. It was nice.

What is your online name? I am like 5 out of 7 dailies past 6 weeks with Sneak Show, under the Name NO_1.

You could not have played Gold Queues if, as you stated, had not played a match of Legacy since they announced the precons.

Exiler and Boltslinger were released online November, 8th 2010. Gold Queues were only during the Holidays-Dec/Jan-.

There was a drop off in firing rates during Oct thru Dec.
October, November and December had around 15 dailies fired each month.
In contrast ,September had 29 and August had 22.
Over 200 have fired since April 2010 and December 2010.

I have had good decks and players in my pairings.
The most placing decks for 2010 were Zoo (175), DnT(129), Goblins(106) and Landstill, Dredge, Merfolk and Storm averages of 85. With Countertop and Thopters had avgs of 70 each.

2011 has 18 fired so far and frontrunners are Zoo(14), Countertop(12), Storm(10), Dredge ,DnT ,Rock, Thopter, and RDW avg 7.

Almost the same meta, or on pace to be at least as last year.

[deviant]

What is your online name? I am like 5 out of 7 dailies past 6 weeks with Sneak Show, under the Name NO_1.

You could not have played Gold Queues if, as you stated, had not played a match of Legacy since they announced the precons.

Exiler and Boltslinger were released online November, 8th 2010. Gold Queues were only during the Holidays-Dec/Jan-.


My memory with timing is the most terrible you will ever encounter. (no joke) I played in some gold queues I think when they were first time introduced. If that was after they released the precons I must have made a mistake. My bad. They didn't really make an impact in the queues though, so I'm not surprised I didn't notice.

It's really good if the online meta has developed now, as that wasn't the impression I got when I played. I started testing online as our legacy champs were coming (lost in the top8 to ww, yay..), but after that I didn't really find it worth the effort anymore so I sold storm and bought jund, fae, and 5cc. (well, it did pay for part of those)

Maybe I should get back into it. Kinda reluctant though as I no longer have ~500 tix lying around anymore :/

I'm kozel online though. I don't think we have met.
I play mostly ext these days, and have always played more in the 8- and 2- mans due to time constraints, so I'm not surprised if the nick is unfamiliar.

[Elfrago]

Ok, we have the private source forum now! I'll post some firestarters ASAP, I highly encourage you to do the same.
And I requested the clan on MTGO, waiting for approval...

[dontbiteitholmes]

Why the hell is everyone in here talking about Enchantress on MTGO? Until they actually print Replenish Enchantress doesn't exist on MTGO as far as I'm concerned.
Wish they would hurry up with that.

[menace13]

My memory with timing is the most terrible you will ever encounter. (no joke) I played in some gold queues I think when they were first time introduced. If that was after they released the precons I must have made a mistake. My bad. They didn't really make an impact in the queues though, so I'm not surprised I didn't notice.

It's really good if the online meta has developed now, as that wasn't the impression I got when I played. I started testing online as our legacy champs were coming (lost in the top8 to ww, yay..), but after that I didn't really find it worth the effort anymore so I sold storm and bought jund, fae, and 5cc. (well, it did pay for part of those)

Maybe I should get back into it. Kinda reluctant though as I no longer have ~500 tix lying around anymore :/

I'm kozel online though. I don't think we have met.
I play mostly ext these days, and have always played more in the 8- and 2- mans due to time constraints, so I'm not surprised if the nick is unfamiliar.

I wasn't doubting what you said, everyone has a different experience online.
Nice job with the Gold Queues btw.
I don't get to play as many as I would like to too, but starting next week we get like 3 dailies a day(woot) and I will be getting my dual land fix!

As of recent the meta has shifted to more blue decks and combo.
There are a lot of jank decks, that we can agree on, but i keep getting good decks lately(so much for the free wins).

Side note: Ext looks really fun if only for casting Cruel Ultimatum.

[TrialByFire]

Does anyone know who's the best person to sell cards to (best buy prices) and where (if there is one) is a place where I can figure out how much a card is worth in tix pretty quickly? Nice to know how much something is worth before you raredraft. Also wanted to know is MarlonBots the concensus choice for cheapest/availability for buying?

[mchainmail]

I would post in the MTGO clan forums here if you're selling Legacy. For Standard, I don't really know.

I use a combination of MTGOTraders.com, supernovabots.com and marlonmtgo.com to buy cards. MTGO and Marlon are the best, because you get an 8% Paypal discount.

[umbowta]

Cool! In fact those are soo private that I didn't know about their existence. I'll ask a mod.




I'd join that too, but we cannot use The Source as a name as it's already been used by the old source clan. I guess the next best name is Anus Mittens? :-P

Why not just join the current Source clan?

I see. Predator8785, who is the Captain, hasn't been online in a month. I'll try to PM his ass to get this handled. If he's not gonna be online he might as well make someone else the clan captain

[mchainmail]

What's the procedure for getting other people access to the group forums?

[rockout]

I just started a new job and its been a hectic few months. If admins could add me to the opening post saying I'm the captain so people know what is what.

Not posting your mtgo name does not help me.

[deviant]

Ok. So I decided that getting back into online legacy should be fun, and went ahead and got myself a deck. Obviously the PE didn't fire, but at least we have 8-mans :)
Applied to the online The Source clan, and would be sweet to get access to the private clan forum here. Anyone who can help me with that?

[majikal]

I just decided to buy into Legacy online. Blue is still out of my price range due to the cost of FoW, so I'm rocking GW Maverick until I save up enough to add blue and switch to Bant. So far all I seem to ever face are Tendrils decks, Elf Combo, and Affinity. Sideboard shit for the first two is simple, Canonist/Mindbreak Trap, whatever. Elves are still pretty brutal if you don't draw gas, but it's doable.

The problem I'm having is Affinity. Null Rod is fucking 35 bucks online, so fuck that. Is there anything apart from Serenity that I can side for that matchup, or should I just chalk it up as a loss?

[deviant]

You can play kataki?

[mchainmail]

I just decided to buy into Legacy online. Blue is still out of my price range due to the cost of FoW, so I'm rocking GW Maverick until I save up enough to add blue and switch to Bant. So far all I seem to ever face are Tendrils decks, Elf Combo, and Affinity. Sideboard shit for the first two is simple, Canonist/Mindbreak Trap, whatever. Elves are still pretty brutal if you don't draw gas, but it's doable.

The problem I'm having is Affinity. Null Rod is fucking 35 bucks online, so fuck that. Is there anything apart from Serenity that I can side for that matchup, or should I just chalk it up as a loss?

Null Rod + E-Tutor (plus hate cards for other matchups is bearable, but E-Tutor is still $15.)

[majikal]

You can play kataki?
YES! Forgot about that guy! Awesome thanks.

[mchainmail]

I've been running good in the Dailies so far. Is anybody else interested?

Can we get the two Source clans merged? Not having people in chat is unfortunate.

[Koby]

MTGO has become very expensive as of late, due to the Legacy daily events firing at 25+ now and the 1st PE top 8 fired last night.
The price of FoW has just hit 100, Underground Sea is 57, LED 65, Entomb 45, Natural Order 45, Null Rod 41, Tropical and Tundra 37. These prices will only get higher, there are about 3 or 4 cards that ever hit the 100 mark(non-foil) on MTGO.

Dated April 19th, 2010.

Seems to me like overall prices went down. Duals are all under 20 tix each, LED slightly higher at upper 70's, but the rest of the cards are cheaper.

Hooray for MED4!

[Julian23]

Except for FoW which is still at solid 100.

[majikal]

Except for FoW which is still at solid 100.
They really dropped the ball not reprinting that in MED4. :mad:

[deviant]

I agree.
There seems to be no point in making the format expensive in the online world too.

Card prices set certain limits to player pool irl, but online could be different. F.e. vintage could flourish if they released power9 in an affordable way. And so could legacy. FoW should have been uncommon in the first place, and led should have been reprinted in med4. And port.

[Sims]

I agree.
There seems to be no point in making the format expensive in the online world too.

Card prices set certain limits to player pool irl, but online could be different. F.e. vintage could flourish if they released power9 in an affordable way. And so could legacy. FoW should have been uncommon in the first place, and led should have been reprinted in med4. And port.

Port they'll get to considering masques block isn't that far down the line, though i agree that It'd be nice to have it already.

[TheShaun]

I'd like to get an invite from whichever Source clan has more ppl. I played the game online quite a bit around 2002-2003 but had to quit for 8 years while in the military. I'm just now trying to get back into it as kind of a supplement to paper. My name is.... please remember this was 10 years ago.... Juggalo Ninja.... sorry, maybe I can change it somehow.

BTW, how do I maintain priority after using something? I'm sick of my Mangaras always leaving the game as my untapped Karakas waves them goodbye...

[Sims]

I'd like to get an invite from whichever Source clan has more ppl. I played the game online quite a bit around 2002-2003 but had to quit for 8 years while in the military. I'm just now trying to get back into it as kind of a supplement to paper. My name is.... please remember this was 10 years ago.... Juggalo Ninja.... sorry, maybe I can change it somehow.

BTW, how do I maintain priority after using something? I'm sick of my Mangaras always leaving the game as my untapped Karakas waves them goodbye...

I'm pretty sure that you can't change your name, only create a new account and transfer your cards over via trade (something i've been contemplating doing if i can get someone i trust to help move what i've got, which isn't much admittedly)

As far as mangara's, i believe you might be able to go in and edit the stops, but i'm not 100% sure priority retention is one of them.

[mchainmail]

I'm pretty sure that you can't change your name, only create a new account and transfer your cards over via trade (something i've been contemplating doing if i can get someone i trust to help move what i've got, which isn't much admittedly)

As far as mangara's, i believe you might be able to go in and edit the stops, but i'm not 100% sure priority retention is one of them.

Hold control when activating the ability.

[vilik]

Hi,

I have just recently started on Magic Online and I am looking for some basic tips.

Where is the best place to get tickets? Buying them directly from store costs me 1.19 per piece (due to tax). Any better sources?

I will be mostly drafting, so I am looking for fastest way to convert drafted cards into tickets. Any hints?

Thanks,

- Vilik

BTW I have participated in several 4-3-2-2 drafts, twice went 1-1 and only once received my 2 boosters. Any idea why is that? Could be that I timed out once and that counts as disqualifying or something?

[DownSyndromeKarl]

@vilik: Timing out is a mtach loss, not a DQ. Contact an ORC(Online Response Crew) and they can help you get what you are owed.
As far as tickets go; it's odd that you pay tax on them, you must not live in America? I don't really know what to tell you, I've never been taxed on any MTGO orders.
You can go to the Classifieds and find a bot to buy your junk commons/uncommons. Doing this takes time because if you're lucky, you'll get 0.5 tix for 75 commons and you'll need to re-open a trade and do it again and again and again and again to unload everything. Unless there is a better way that I'm not aware of...

[Cabal_chan]

@vilik: Timing out is a mtach loss, not a DQ. Contact an ORC(Online Response Crew) and they can help you get what you are owed.
As far as tickets go; it's odd that you pay tax on them, you must not live in America? I don't really know what to tell you, I've never been taxed on any MTGO orders.
You can go to the Classifieds and find a bot to buy your junk commons/uncommons. Doing this takes time because if you're lucky, you'll get 0.5 tix for 75 commons and you'll need to re-open a trade and do it again and again and again and again to unload everything. Unless there is a better way that I'm not aware of...

I got taxed on my Ticket purchases, and I live in NY. It might be a state-to-state difference (I know some states also prohibit you from playing in MTGO events in which you earn prizes).

[deviant]

Basic Tips:

Never, ever ever ever not even once enter a 4322 queue, unless it is an older format that does not have 8-4 running and you just want to have fun. As you notice, there is a pack missing from the 4322 payout.

Sell to mtgobuybot, cardbyingbot or cardhoarderbuybot. Those 3 have the same prices, and they are decent. There might be a better bot there somewhere, butt hose are solid and if I have something I want to get rid of (extra copies etc.), i dumb them onto one of those.

If you time out, you still get the packs you have won to that point. Yes, you get kicked out of the event, but you should still gett he prices you have earned to that point.

If you want to grind your tix, I suggest extended elves. If you are not interestd in relevant formats, pauper is actually pretty fun. And obv cheap.

If you want to buy tix, I know you can buy bot credit using paypal from teh biggest sellers like marlon and mtgotraders. You can then use the credit to get something like a jace, and then sell it. Sometimes there are easy to move cards that are bought and sold at almost the same price, so you only "lose" a little there. Certainly it must be cheaper that way than bying from the store..
I'd suggest you contact MTGOTRADERS and ask them directly about buying tix/bot credit. I imagine they would be willing to help you give them your money..

[mchainmail]

If you want to buy tix, I know you can buy bot credit using paypal from teh biggest sellers like marlon and mtgotraders. You can then use the credit to get something like a jace, and then sell it. Sometimes there are easy to move cards that are bought and sold at almost the same price, so you only "lose" a little there. Certainly it must be cheaper that way than bying from the store..
I'd suggest you contact MTGOTRADERS and ask them directly about buying tix/bot credit. I imagine they would be willing to help you give them your money..

Terrible idea?

You can buy tickets from aftermarket sellers for typically around .94, give or take a little. If you stick to well-known people, you'll be fine.

MTGOTraders doesn't sell Tix at a reasonable rate (worse than $1 to 1 ticket, because they have customers that pay taxes)

[cdr]

Basic Tips:

Never, ever ever ever not even once enter a 4322 queue, unless it is an older format that does not have 8-4 running and you just want to have fun. As you notice, there is a pack missing from the 4322 payout.

Sell to mtgobuybot, cardbyingbot or cardhoarderbuybot. Those 3 have the same prices, and they are decent. There might be a better bot there somewhere, butt hose are solid and if I have something I want to get rid of (extra copies etc.), i dumb them onto one of those.

If you time out, you still get the packs you have won to that point. Yes, you get kicked out of the event, but you should still gett he prices you have earned to that point.

If you want to grind your tix, I suggest extended elves. If you are not interestd in relevant formats, pauper is actually pretty fun. And obv cheap.

If you want to buy tix, I know you can buy bot credit using paypal from teh biggest sellers like marlon and mtgotraders. You can then use the credit to get something like a jace, and then sell it. Sometimes there are easy to move cards that are bought and sold at almost the same price, so you only "lose" a little there. Certainly it must be cheaper that way than bying from the store..
I'd suggest you contact MTGOTRADERS and ask them directly about buying tix/bot credit. I imagine they would be willing to help you give them your money..

Most of this is pretty bad advice.

[vilik]

Most of this is pretty bad advice.

Care to elaborate?

BTW Yes, one ticket cost me 1$ + .19c due to me living in Europe and paying tax.

And yes, drafting + occasional pauper is what I am looking to do. I dont think I will ever buy into legacy online (actually I dont even know if there is such a format online).

So basicaly at the moment I am looking for bots that buy my drafted cards and someone who will sell me tickets cheaper than WotC. I think I will look around online for some of the recommended bots.


@vilik: Timing out is a mtach loss, not a DQ. Contact an ORC(Online Response Crew) and they can help you get what you are owed.


How do I do that?

And why is that when you go 1-1 in 4-3-2-2 draft you get your 2 packs with delay and when you finish in finals you get your packs right away? I mean everyone who goes 1-1 is eligible for 2 packs, no?

- Vilik

[Julian23]

Tournaments don't award packs until the tournament is finished, therefor everyone has to wait till the end. It's a general thing.

[vilik]

Tournaments don't award packs until the tournament is finished, therefor everyone has to wait till the end. It's a general thing.

I see. And I assume that it does not matter if you are already offline at the time tournament finishes, you get your prize anyway.

BTW I have messed around and i have specific questions.

By trying to sell M11 booster to two different bots, I got one offer for 1$ and one offer for 3$. Quite a difference. I guess you have to know prizes to not get ripped off on more valuable cards.

How do I get rid of untradable objects? Is there a way delete unwanted cards / objects?

Thanks,
- Vilik

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I see. And I assume that it does not matter if you are already offline at the time tournament finishes, you get your prize anyway.

BTW I have messed around and i have specific questions.

By trying to sell M11 booster to two different bots, I got one offer for 1$ and one offer for 3$. Quite a difference. I guess you have to know prizes to not get ripped off on more valuable cards.

How do I get rid of untradable objects? Is there a way delete unwanted cards / objects?

Thanks,
- Vilik

If you go 1-1 in a 4322, you can sign off, once the event is over, your account will be credited with your prizes and any time you sign on after that, they will be there.

I've seen ads in the classifieds for Card Shredder bots. I assume they take your junk and give you nothing in return, but i have no use for that. every card is worth something

[Elfrago]

Ok. So I decided that getting back into online legacy should be fun, and went ahead and got myself a deck. Obviously the PE didn't fire, but at least we have 8-mans :)
Applied to the online The Source clan, and would be sweet to get access to the private clan forum here. Anyone who can help me with that?


I'd like to get an invite from whichever Source clan has more ppl. I played the game online quite a bit around 2002-2003 but had to quit for 8 years while in the military. I'm just now trying to get back into it as kind of a supplement to paper. My name is.... please remember this was 10 years ago.... Juggalo Ninja.... sorry, maybe I can change it somehow.

BTW, how do I maintain priority after using something? I'm sick of my Mangaras always leaving the game as my untapped Karakas waves them goodbye...

Sent to TheShaun an invite. Deviant, your MTGO nick is? I tried to send an invite to deviant but, if that's you, it tells me that you're already in another clan.

I'll ask the mods to give you both access to the private forum.


I'm pretty sure that you can't change your name, only create a new account and transfer your cards over via trade (something i've been contemplating doing if i can get someone i trust to help move what i've got, which isn't much admittedly)

As far as mangara's, i believe you might be able to go in and edit the stops, but i'm not 100% sure priority retention is one of them.

You don't need another person to switch cards between accounts, open the directory where you installed MTGO and launch the MTGONET exe twice. You'll end up with two instances of it, so just log each one into a different account and do the trade.

As for selling packs, in my experience the Booster_Cheap bot chain always always always pays a few more cents than all th other bots so I always sell to them. If you find better prices, lemme know.

[TheShaun]

Somebody mentioned it before, but I think it would make some sense to merge TheSource and The Source. Just seems a bit silly having both.

[Sims]

If merging them is unpossible I'll drop the original Source clan and just join up with whichever one is actually active. I rarely see anyone active in the old clan.

[deviant]

Sent to TheShaun an invite. Deviant, your MTGO nick is? I tried to send an invite to deviant but, if that's you, it tells me that you're already in another clan.

I'll ask the mods to give you both access to the private forum.


My mtgo nick is kozel, and I have joined one source clan. Getting them combined would be great.

[vilik]

Hi,

I have one more question - what is the simplest way to find out prices of more valuable cards? Say I opened foil Venser in draft and want to sell it.

MTGOtraders website lists it at $16.15 for sale. Is that reasonable benchmark?

Thanks,
- Vilik

[Koby]

Hi,

I have one more question - what is the simplest way to find out prices of more valuable cards? Say I opened foil Venser in draft and want to sell it.

MTGOtraders website lists it at $16.15 for sale. Is that reasonable benchmark?

Thanks,
- Vilik

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