NOSnT Big Labor

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The goal of the deck is to consistently abuse the powerful show and tell->emrakul combo by providing redundency via including the overlapping natural order-> progenitus combo.


Lands: 18
4 tropical island
4 misty rainforest
4 verdant catacombs
2 underground sea
1 wooded foothills
1 island
1 forest
1 dryad arbor

Green creatures: 9
4 birds of paradise
1 noble hierarch
3 wall of roots
(questionable slot)

Reps: 6
4 emrakul, the aeons torn
2 progenitus

combo: 8
4 show and tell
4 natural order

setup: 12
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 lim dul's vault

disruption: 8
4 force of will
4 thoughtseize

sb:
4 xantid swarm




Gameplan:

show and tell: lets you put progenitus/emrakul into play.

natural order: the backup combo that puts progenitus into play.

birds of paradise/noble hierach: these creatures provide color fixing, ramp, protection from edict effects, and a green creature for natural order.

dryad arbor: a fetchable green creature for natural order. He can also be fetched to block/get sac'd when necessary.

brainstorm/ponder/lim dul's vault: these cards help you set up the combos and add consistency.

thoughtseize/force of will: protection for the combo.

wall of roots: this slot has been tarmogofy/wall of blossoms, each has its advantages/disadvantages. Tarmogoyf can act as a wall against aggro that takes out attackers, while switching to beatdown in matchups such as combo, but other than being a green creature it does not help the combos. I'm up for suggestions on what should be in this spot (including new suggestions).

sidebard

xantid swarm: a green creature that make sure your snt's/no's resolve...seems good.

The anti aggro spot is still up for debate...options I'm considering: propaganda, elephant grass, threads of disloyalty, mind harness, submerge...

the other sideboard slots are meta dependent to an extent.

Question:
1) What to do with the wall slot?
2) Should ancient tomb be represented?
3) Should empyrial archangel/terastodon be considered for natural order targets?
4) What is the best anti-aggro measure?

[Aggro_zombies]

I guess I'll be the first to ask the obvious, but...why is this better than Aeon Bridge? It has redundancy in the form of Dreadnought, which (a) takes up fewer slots on mediocre cards and (b) allows the deck to run more disruption to protect its investments.

[Vacrix]

I've seen something like this played before. It played a better mana base though. Something like 4 Ancient Tomb, 4 Lotus Petal allowed the deck to accelerate into a fast SnT/Eureka. You have to play your SnT quickly. Having to sink your mana with Birds/Wall of Roots prevents you from playing the cantrips you need to setup. You ought to just incorporate the acceleration into the mana base and make more room for cantrips and protection. Otherwise you are going off too late and Zoo will just finish you off with some burn.

I agree with AggroZombies. Right now your list is inferior to Aeon Bridge. You might want to rework it or just play Nightmare's list.

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@ Vacrix: You probably either saw the ug eureka list we were working on in the eureka thread here or the similar ug eureka list that t16'd an scg 5k. I really liked that deck (and my ub snt list after I found lim dul's vault)...but both were hit hard by the mystical tutor banning. Now the deck has to be three colors for lim-dul's vault and either eureka or natural order. Since it has to be three colors, running ancient tomb/city of traitors accel isn't looking as good...and having to use a lotus petal for a lim dul's vault is pretty devastating card disadvantage. (i'm not completely discounting tomb/petal though and some amount may make the list). Thus the option for accel and color fixing became mana dudes and natural order became stronger then eureka as its likely to be a one card combo between mana dudes and dryad arbor.

I guess I have to say why I prefer this over aeon bridge (I have tested the scg t8 list goldfishing/mws but I'm not saying my observation are 100% correct and if you feel that they aren't please say so). The mana base seemed fragile to me with only 16 sources of colored mana...an early wasteland, stifle on a fetch, or rishadan port followed by a clock seemed pretty bad to me. I'd be very curious to hear how those who are very familiar with the deck fare against goblins, merfolk, new horizons, uw tempo etc. My second problem after testing was the inconsistency of mosswort bridge, in order for bridge to be more then a citp coloress land you need a dreadnought and a vault (sometimes brainstorm or doing it blindly does work too). Yes it can be very powerful but needing at least three turns and normally all three colors normally to pull it off seems weak. A random wasteland can timewalk the deck and a well placed one if u don’t have a stifle can be devastating. Third point is that I feel stiflenought is fairly weak. I know it’s not plan 1 or 2 but when I tested the list I felt there were enough hands were this was likely to a be the plan that it has to be addressed. Against any deck with a clock: losing a counter war over stifle is devastating, path is a devastating 2 for 1, so is qasali pridemage-stingscourger-warren weirding.-other removal.

Overall when it comes down to it aeon bridge needs a phyrexian dreadnought or show and tell to do anything, where as this deck needs natural order or show tell. The dreadnought does combo with bridge and stifle but natural order combos with any of the green creatures as well as fetches/dryad arbor. This can be important as hands with protection, land, a cantrip and lim dul’s vault or dreadnought are much riskier then a hand with protection, land, a cantrip and natural order or lim dul's vault.

After all that I want to say that I do like aeon bridge and hope it has continued success, but I felt that it would be a benefit to the source to share my list that I believe has some important advantages/differences.

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Alright I feel that this deck is pretty strong so I'll post one more update before letting it die...

I tested it again yesterday and am about 15-3 overall on mws (maybe a little higher I don't remember exactly how the first testing went)...including the 8 I played yesterday (one loss yesterday): 2-0 vs. geddon stax, 1-1 vs. elves combo, 2-0 vs. eva green, 2-0 vs. sneak attack/snt...if u gold fish it keep in mind it takes a bit of familiarity to know what to mulligan. The only changes I made were tarmo to wall of roots.

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Here's a list that placed at the Bazaar of Moxen Tournament. I always thought Boseiju would be too slow, but I can see it being a solid addition now that the format's a little slower. I'm not a fan of the Duplicant's in the board. Thoughts?

Show and Tell, by Michael Kammer – 16th place
Business (40)
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
1 Beast Within
4 Brainstorm
4 Preordain
1 Ponder
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Natural Order
4 Show and Tell
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Progenitus
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

Lands (20)
3 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
4 Misty Rainforst
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Windswepth Heath
1 Flooded Strand
4 Tropical Island
3 Ancient Tomb
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Island

Sideboard (15)
1 Pithing Needle
2 Trickbind
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Beast Within
3 Duplicant
2 Iona, Shield of Emeria
3 Krosan Grip