[Decklist] P4P

[sam.]

This is just an idea so far, so there won't be any primer for this deck, but I wanted to pursue this since I loved the deck in old Extended.

I saw a topic that explored Hive Mind in the past, but didn't go all-in with that win con.

Anyways, here's the list.

Name [ cards in category ] ( total cards )

Win Conditions [ 16 ] ( 16 )
4x Hive Mind
3x Pact of the Titan
4x Pact of Negation
3x Slaughter Pact
2x Intervention Pact

Mana Accel [ 7 ] ( 23 )
4x Dark Ritual
3x Cabal Ritual

Cantrip + Dig + Tutor + Draw [ 14 ] ( 37 )
4x Brainstorm
4x Academy Rector
4x Sensei’s Divining Top
2x Lim-Dûl’s Vault

Disruption + Protection [ 6 ] ( 43 )
2x Duress
2x Thoughtseize
2x Wipe Away

Land [ 17 ] ( 60 )
3x Underground Sea
1x Island
1x Swamp
1x Plains
2x Tundra
2x Scrubland
4x Polluted Delta
3x Marsh Flats

Sideboard [ 6 ]
2x Duress
2x Thoughtseize
2x Wipe Away

Input / thoughts?

[Muradin]

How about Cabal Therapy as a piece of Disruption while also being a sacrifice outlet for your Academy Rector. Looks pretty strong and standard.

[leander?]

Show and Tell for cheating te Hive Mind into play.
Also, isn't twelve pacts a bit too much?

[jjflipped]

Josh Silvestri's List From Channelfireball.com

2 Chrome Mox
4 Grim Monolith
3 Senseis Divining Top
4 Hive Mind
4 Force of Will
1 Ponder
4 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
4 Pact of the Titan
4 Pact of Negation
2 Slaughter Pact
4 Show and Tell
7 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors

Sideboard
4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Back to Basics
3 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Repeal
1 Wipe Away

[sam.]

Ha, didn't even know they did that. :P

I actually like that list more than mine for all that it does.

[Maagler]

4 Polluted Delta
4 Undergrund Sea
4 Island
1 Swamp
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Misty Rainforest

4 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Lim-Dul's Vault
4 Pact of the Titan
4 Pact of Negation
4 Hive Mind
4 Show and Tell
2 Intuition
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Duress
4 Thoughtseize

SB:
4 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Relic of Progenitus
3 Defense Grid
3 Innocent Blood
3 Slaughter Pact

[Oiolosse]

Show and Tell for cheating te Hive Mind into play.
Also, isn't twelve pacts a bit too much?

Agreed. Show and Tell would be perfect. Twelve may seem like alot but you want to play one (or more) immediately after Hive Mind lands.

[ryO!]

I ve been playing this deck for 4/5 months now, after a friend of mine gave me the idea (pretty much the original builder at least in france). In the right hand (not mine) it s an extremely powerful deck.
My mate had several Top1 and Top2 places with it in 2x to 4x men tourney. He pretty much always ended 1 when he was playing it (and most with 2-0) till the MT ban. I had lower results but mostly due to many missplays, as i was only a rookie with it (yet i had top2/4). We had slightly different lists, besides on my side i moved to LDV long before the MT ban as i think it's more consistent anyway (had my best results with it).
we are running much more basics, less pacts and a mono blue version which after severals test is much better (black splash MT only for LDV) and resilient to land hate.
Also i think u are missing one the 3 most important cards of the deck : dream halls and conflux and ....... S&T

[jjflipped]

My mate had several Top1 and Top2 places with it in 2x to 4x men tourney.

SICK!!! lol


Also i think u are missing one the 2 most important cards of the deck : dream halls and conflux.

UMMMM... wrong deck buddy.

I like the way that this deck plays, BUT daze is so good against it.

[ryO!]

when it comes to ~15 tourney it's maybe not sick (never said it was anyway) but i find it decent and kind of 'regular'.
wrong deck ? My kill remain Hive & Pact -only- so no not wrong deck, just enhanced build.
but thanks overall for the inputs, i guess . . .

Quote Originally Posted by jjflipped : SICK!!! lol
Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandr : Sick.

Damn i must say i am overwhelmed by such relevant inputs please go ahead and tell me more. Please, amaze me.

[Aleksandr]

My mate had several Top1 and Top2 places with it in 2x to 4x men tourney.
SICK!!! lol



Sick.

[jjflipped]

I just find it amusing that you can top2 a 2 person tourney so easily. thats all...

Thoughts on the deck, i feel that the black is needed to support the discard.

SDT seems underwhelming, maybe preordain or thirst for knowledge instead.

[ryO!]

I just find it amusing that you can top2 a 2 person tourney so easily. thats all...

Thoughts on the deck, i feel that the black is needed to support the discard.

SDT seems underwhelming, maybe preordain or thirst for knowledge instead.

2x mean twenty smth ...
4x mean forty smth ...

My last list is

#Main
3 Hive Mind
3 Dream Halls
4 Conflux
4 Fow
4 Spell Pierce
4 LDV
2 SDT
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Pact Of Titan
1 Summoner's Pact
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Pact Of Negation
4 S&T
#Land
4 island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Usea
2 AT
3 CoT
#SB
4 Duress/Thoughtseize
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
2 TCrypt
1 Faerie Macabre
2 Echoing Truth
1 Wipe Away
1 Nature's Ruin
1 Perish

my friend's list was
4 MT instead of LDV
-2 pact (1 of each except White)
+1 DH
+1 HM

[Aleksandr]

lol, I thought exactly the same... It's not that hard to top4 in four men tourney... :laugh: This result is much better.
Do you believe that he won thanks to the strength of the deck, or was it rather because of a "oh-shit-wutz-thiz?" effect?

Btw, I played against this on mws some time ago. Its a bit funny, indeed. And strong.

[ryO!]

lol, I thought exactly the same... It's not that hard to top4 in four men tourney... :laugh: This result is much better.
Do you believe that he won thanks to the strength of the deck, or was it rather because of a "oh-shit-wutz-thiz?" effect?

Btw, I played against this on mws some time ago. Its a bit funny, indeed. And strong.

As i said, since he more or less created (then again at least in france legacy) the archetype so he was really playing it very well but yeah there also is a wtf effect, nevertheless even if this deck is now known in our meta, most of the deck still doesn't have any answers. Before the MT it/he was incredibly strong but then again i think LDV make it even better as you can fetch any part of the combo. Thing is you are able to hardcast rather easily any part of the combo, you can go off with basics only, and got 10 counters MD. Yet you have to start comboing with at least 2 pacts unless the opponent doesn't play blue/reb or if there's no other choices. The list still need improvements anyway.

[Aleksandr]

Yeah, that's the only think I really fear - that you put together all the combo, but don't have enough Pacts. Even two or three can be not enough, if you play against blue, as he can Stifle the first trigger, Daze the second copy and pay for the last one. Have a nice time durin your next upkeep... :-(

Otoh, playing with your own Pact of N. can make lots of these situations far more friendly.

IDK.

[ryO!]

Don't forget that if i go off with DH+Cflux i win no matter what
because i fetch ALL the pacts and good luck stifling/dazing 6 pacts :p
and pact are not that hard to get with ldv/ponder/sdt/bstorm

The hardest mu are Ipainter/DreadStill/Stiflefolk (merfold w/o stifle is fine). More or less if you got 2 pacts it is most of the time enough, and Thoughtseize/duress will help in g2/3. Note as well that you can go off T2 rather easily and got many ways to go off.
hardcast Dh & cflux
hardcast Hm & pact
S&T either Hm or Dh and go off
best thing is going off with Dh as it's an auto win.

[Gurzigost]

I know this sounds extremely situational (which it isn't), but if someone had FoW and another counterspell in their hand for the Hive, do you have another way to win? I don't like the idea of only having one kill condition. How does the deck fare against disruption? Cranial Extraction? Extirpate?

[ryO!]

well u have to be really carefull when you go off with this deck and don't forget that we can handle 2 or even 3 counters as well play 10 (+1pon sb+3toughseize sb).
Cranial isn't played so it s not really a problem, extirpate can be that's why i useed to side some proge/emrakul but i removed them as it's a really rare situation, yet if it happen well you scoop.
and well if one hive is countered it s ok as u still can fetch the others with Dh+Cflux or cantrips or LDV.

[Gurzigost]

True that cranial isn't played...I keep forgetting it's my own little secret tech, and that it doesn't see much play at all. This is a really good deck on paper, and I'm assuming you have played it and it's got good MU's as well. Good luck with it.

[ryO!]

Here is my last list
Finished 5 (only one with 0 defeat as i did 4w 0l 2d) in a 51 or 52 men tourney irrc (1 month ago so no report as i don't remember a lot)
list was

#Main
3 Hive Mind
3 Dream Halls
4 Conflux
4 Fow
4 Mana leak
4 LDV
2 SDT
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Pact Of Titan
1 Summoner's Pact
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Pact Of Negation
4 S&T
#Land
4 island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Usea
2 AT
3 CoT
#SB
2 Spell Pierce
2 Llawan Cephalid Empress
2 EPlague
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
2 TCrypt
1 Perish
1 Natures Ruin
3 Can't remember . . .

Mana leak is AWESOME !

currently testing a list with 2 cruel totor
got a tour tomorrow i ll give a feedback right after with my new list.


Anyone else still play this deck ? i mean it's more then efficient and really regular.

as for the SB anyone tried Propaganda ?

ps this deck is really really strong

[jafar]

What is LDV?

Bye

[Nessaja]

Funniest moment with this deck was playing against it, my opponent casting Hive Mind. Casting Summoners Pact, passing the turn, only then realizing that I could pay for the costs (playing green) and he couldn't.

I'd rather play Dream Halls =/

[rockout]

What is LDV?

Bye

Lim-Dûl's Vault

[whienot]

I've done a fair amount of playtesting/building with Hive Mind decks, but I haven't tried tossing Dream Halls/Conflux in the list. Do you find that it benefits you more to include both rather than focusing on one?

I also found that the deck (surprisingly) had a tough time against Burn. Games typically went, T1 cantrip, T2 tutor, T3 combo and I would get burned out with Pact triggers on the stack.

My list for reference:

4x Hive Mind
4x Show and Tell
4x Pact of the Titan
4x Pact of Negation
2x Slaughter Pact
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
4x Lim-Dul's Vault
2x Intuition
3x Grim Monolith
3x Thoughtseize

4x Ancient Tomb
8x Blue Fetch
3x Underground Sea
1x Volcanic Island
2x Island

Check out Mana Maze for the sideboard. Stops non red blast counters and slows many decks down. Edit: This obviously won't work with Dream Halls and Conflux.

[ryO!]

did my tour
finished 5 again ! 44 men
this time 1 defeat 4win 1loss 1draw

exact same main list as i woke up to late so i had no time at all to do any changes.

mais is same
full side is
2 Spell Pierce
2 Llawan Cephalid Empress
2 EPlague
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
2 TCrypt
1 Perish
1 Natures Ruin
3 Can't remember . . . => Diabolic Edict !!

44 men tour
g1 2 - 1 vs pro bant
g2 2 - 1 vs gob
g3 2 - 0 vs gob
g4 2 - 1 vs ichorid
g5 0 - 2 vs painter nought => Unwinable MU 6 reb + 2 daze + 4 stifle + 4 fow main = auto loss
g6 1 - 1 vs Landstil i should never EVER have lost that second game but oh well ...

still only 1 loss in my last 12 games is nice.
next time i ll definitely test the Cruel tutors


I've done a fair amount of playtesting/building with Hive Mind decks, but I haven't tried tossing Dream Halls/Conflux in the list. Do you find that it benefits you more to include both rather than focusing on one?
DH + Conflux is a bomb because once conflux resolve u normally cannot lose and conflux pitch to fow such as DH.


I also found that the deck (surprisingly) had a tough time against Burn. Games typically went, T1 cantrip, T2 tutor, T3 combo and I would get burned out with Pact triggers on the stack.

never faced burn so i can't really speak but it doesn't seems like a free win anyway.



4x Ancient Tomb
8x Blue Fetch
3x Underground Sea
1x Volcanic Island
2x Island


you play to few basics land imo, i would cut some fetch for more basics.

[ryO!]

84 men tour
i did a Sad 3-4 but well it should have been MUCH better, unfortunately due to one giant mistake i ll lose all hopes.

Main deck is the Usual
Sb
2 Spell Pierce
1 Llawan Cephalid Empress
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
4 Extirpate
1 Perish
1 Natures Ruin
4 Diabolic Edict

#1 CB Top Coatl 0-2
G1 I see nothing especially my counters, he does see his.
G2 I see nothing especially my counters, he does see his.
oh well ...

#2 Goblin 2-1
G1 Turn 1 lackey, no counters oh well ...
G2 Turn 3 kill.
G3 Turn 3 kill.

#3 GhastDredge 2-0
G1 he can kill me on his t3 but i kill him on mine.
G2 he sees nothing after i get rid of his 1 drop (imp), i got 2 extirpate as back up but i ll not even need to use them.

#2 GW Survival 2-1
G1 Survival got countered, but he land tarmo NH & VV, i pact the VV & takes some dmg, LDV on my turn that allows me to win on my next turn, he can only kill me if he draws one of his 3 VV left ... he does ...
G2 resolved survival, Extirpate on VV, i win a few turns later.
G3 THE GAME THAT CHANGES IT ALL, he has turn 2 survival that got countered,then a tarmo (2/3), in my hand i got everything to win in 2 turn NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES (i got answers). I ponder ... i draw ... then fetch (totally forget my resolved ponder) ... draw again as i thought i still was in my ponder (shuffle ponder) ... the extra draw made it a Game loss ...oh well ..
Survival is NOT broken and damn i HATE all those pathetic attempts to have it banned. seriously.

I think about droping, have a beer and play only for the fun

2-0 vs affinity
0-2 vs snt emrakul (a REALLY bad deck imo)
0-2 vs somekind of rock

well the 3 last turn i wouldn't care the least, kept many unkeepable hands but as the top 8 was over ... who cares.

anyway i am still satisfied about the list, extirpate is a VERY good card in MANY MU and i regret not siding it in more.

[Pastorofmuppets]

Guys, hear me out.
One with Nothing.
Their copy resolves before your copy. Either they counter it, or are fucked.
And then if they do counter it, they're a counter down for you to drop pacts.
Also, how do you beat Krosan Grip followed up by a Force?

[death]

Having their hand discarded is not the most brilliant way to eff them up. Also discard is sought after by dredge, Madness.
My bet would be to play pacts which are off color like Intervention or Slaughter Pact if they play mono red for example.
Also, grip can be completely ignored. Just have the enchantment enter the battlefield, without passing priority, pact.
If they grip the enchantment, their pact copy is already on the stack, they will lose unless they pay for it on upkeep.
If they Force the copy of Pact while Hive Mind still in play, have your copy of Force of Will target the original Force..

[ryO!]

@ krosan
* as it s been said if you ve just played Hive Mind, you just have to keep the prio and cast on pact.
* if you go off with DH, well then again u keep the prio and the first conflux will resolve, and you just take 5 new cards to go off the next turn or enough mana to go off the same one.
exemple from my last tour :
i hardcast DH, i keep prio, i cast conflux, he responded by krosan. 2 land open Usea & Tomb + one more DH in hand
conflux resolve
i get Snt conflux conflux DH pact then got off again
if i had no extra DH in hand i d have taken
DH conflux pact pact LDV or Hive mind pact pact pact pact

@ One with Nothing
well it s only good if the oponent plays stifle/daze/reb (so he cannot nullify the pacts' effect) + if he let you resolve Hive mind so it s a bit ... meh i guess.

[ryO!]

did another tour 48 men
Finished 5 AGAIN 5win 1loss 0draw

list was the usual MD

#SB
3 Spell Pierce
4 diabolic Edict
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
4 extirpate
1 Perish
1 Natures Ruin

#1 - 2-0 vs ichorid
#2 - 2-0 vs random rogue
#3 - 2-0 vs Maverick
=> epic play (ok epic luck) on g2
i snt DH he snt ... mindcensor OK well so no Cflux on this turn (i got perish and double edict in hand)
on his turn he Scryb ranger attack & pass
i perish pass (i can't double edict as i miss one Black) (realising only now that at this point he has vial taped and no mana left, and i could have played one Edict,and discarded perish to cast the second Edict as DH was in play . . .)
he goes hierarch attack & pass
i double edict (finding a fetch) ... he answer by ... vialing mindcensor i have to conflux anyway or i am dead
so well it will be 4 cards only ... Bstorm, greed pact, red pact, LDV (luck : strike one), i bs ... Snt & random card & ... hivemind (luck : stike two) ... discard cast Hive & double pact for the lucky win.
#4 - 0-2 vs the worst deck ever (again ...) snt & emrakul mulligan to 5 & 5 with nothing ...
#5 - 2-1 vs Affinity
#6 - 2-1 vs Goblin

I am still really happy with the list, i might remove spell pierce from the side though ... or well i am not really settled on it.

top 8 was
UWg JaceStill
Ant
SnT emrakul
Rock BGW
HiveMind
Dredge
Rb Goblin
Enchantress

(there were 4 or 5 VV survival and all got stomped)

the top 8 of the 2 other tours i finished 5 were
#1 52 men
1-Burn with lynx (Oh well ...)
2-Countertop UGR
3-Merfolk U
4-Merfolk U
5-HiveMind
6-TES
7-CanadianThresh
8-Merfolk Ub
#2 44 men
1-Ghast ichorid
2-RW Burn
3-Rock BGW
4-PainterNought
5-HiveMind
6-JaceStill
7-Merfolk
8-Merfolk
#3 85 men
1-Rock GWB
2-Elfball
3-Necrotic Ooze
4-CounterTop URg
5-not sure
6-TES
7-ProBant
8-Survival VV

[Oiolosse]

ryo ftw. I like your style of writing, it's like your amped on coffee. Cool to see an anomaly do well. Keep it up.

[ryO!]

Awful tourney ... 52 men
the missplay tourney !

MD as usual

#SB
3 Spell Pierce => soon to be duress/thoughtseize again
3 diabolic Edict
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
4 extirpate
1 Perish
1 Natures Ruin
1 Echoing truth

#1 2-0 reanimator : G1 ... he goes iona on ...praying ... black as he doesn't put me on hive mind, next turn i combo, G2 turn 3 combo
#2 0-2 Ant : i KNOW that he plays MD angel grace (yeah pretty much lame against pact !) he goes T1 Petal+ponder, petal+ponder again then discard a land to play mox diamond (i have the force i should force ... i don't force 1st donk play) he won't see any land ... i combo he grace.
g2 is the same with land on his side he just doesn't play and wait for me to be graced again . . . I am a total moron because i could have "stalled" both games going draw go & waiting to have many counters in hand so he can never go off or EVEN smarter, cast hive mind and wait (as he cannot kill me with hive mind in play). oh well ... he will end up 3th of the tour.
#3 2-0 Zoo : not much to say except thx diabolic edict on G2
#4 0-2 CTopBant : i go off ... he forces, i force back ... he has no out, full tap ... top in play (he doesn't know what s on top) 1 card in hand, he drawtop ... a force ... he had only 3 left ... lame but oh well ... G2 is epic misplay on epic missjudgment i lose to my own stupidity.
#5 0-2 maverick : G1 i can go off one turn too late, G2 i got mind tricked and did my second donk play of the day, i cast LDV he casts Mindcensor in resp ... which does strictly nothing to LDV ... i am scared and i look my "top 4" cards only and stop after the 4 1st as i thought i couldn't go deeper and only could search the top 4 ... oh well ... my fault ... donk of the day
#6 burn : i go off before him in G1 & G3 (turn 2 & 3)

well mostly i am still satisfied with the list except that i ll use discard instead of spell pierce in the SB ...
i did a LOT of horrible play though and can only blame myself and not even the deck ...

Top 8 is

1-Ant
2-Rock Junk Dark Horizon W/E
3- Cunning Ant
4-Maverick
5-LandStill
6-
7-Ant
8-

oh and yeah there were some survival and they got stomped (again)

[ryO!]

32 men
finished 9th ... 4win 2loss 0draw
sad to meet merfolk again (never actually won a full game against merfolk) . . .

MD as usual woke up too late and could not replace Mana Leak by Thoughtseize.
SB same as the last one here as well no change because i was too late.

#1 2-0 Big Zoo : i got off turn 3&3 with back up (fow for his reb).
#2 0-2 Rock : kept 2 hands i should never ever have kept, got what i deserved, adding that in g2 i got hit by like 5 discard effects in a row ...
#3 2-0 RwBurn : i go off turn 2&3.
#4 0-2 Merfolk : g1 i am at one life but i can go off but he has the annoying 1/1 sac to counter instant/sorcery + some back up in hand. I did some missplay though and that could have cost me the game, "could" because i am not even sure. g2 is pretty much the same except this time a top decked wastland save him. I just hate merfolk.
#5 2-0 CtopBant : i go off turn 3&3 with back up.
#6 2-1 Dredget : g1 i kept a lousy hand, and he did a sick turn 2. g2 fow on the imp & extirpate on dredge guys sealed the game, g3 is pretty much the same as g2.

well i ll definitely add thoughseize MD or at least in the SB. some people are trying a list without the DH/conflux plan and instead more discard & intuition. Dunno i ll give it a try i guess.
i am also working on a a convertible sideboard either pure reanimator or an Ooze/BuriedAlive one.

top 10
1) Burn
2) Rock GBW
3) TES
4) PainterNought
5) Rock GBW
6) Landstill
7)
8) TES
9) HiveMind
10) ElfBall

[ryO!]

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/worlds10/1211leg

hivemind "over" the "worlds"
dont like the lists though.

[ryO!]

#Main
3 Hive Mind
3 Dream Halls
4 Conflux
4 Fow
4 Thoughtseize instead of mana leak ... i guess that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
4 LDV
2 SDT
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Pact Of Titan
1 Summoner's Pact
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Pact Of Negation
4 S&T
#Land
4 island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Usea
2 AT
3 CoT
#SB
3 Spell Pierce/duress
1 Llawan Cephalid Empress
1 Amnesia/Head games (daze/reb&pyb/beb&hyb/Angelgrace/gutural/stifle/trickbind proof) Head is better but Amnesia is just much more cooler !
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Relic Of progenitus
3 Extirpate (still an house even w/o Sotf around)
1 Perish
1 Nature's Ruin
3 Diabolic Edict

Not so sold on the Llawan at all but i really need something to improve the mefolk MU, if anyone got an idea i am open to suggestions. Maybe 4 XSwarms & 1 Trop but it seems mehh.
I d like to add one progenitus as "backdoor" strategy but i don't really know what to remove, i ve tried 2 tendrils & 1 grapeshot as secondary kill (with dh resolved and one conflux it deals ~30dmgs) but as it doesn't improve any MU i guess it's pointless.

Anyway i still think that deck is underestimated but oh well ...

Adit :

i might try something drastic as sb plan for my next tour
4 Leyline of sanctity (especially for discard, a mu that i despise ... and yet also usefull against burn & Tendrils)
4 Xantid Swarm (yeah well merfolk & other multi counters deck)
1 Trop (...)
3 Extirpate
3 Propaganda (merfolk again)

...
let's see.

Also anyway to change the topic title ... i mean P4P ...

[Sturtzilla]

Hey All,

I was just browsing and came across this build. I think it sounds really fun and moreover sounds like it has the potential to be really good (especially because it is rather goofy and most people won't know what you are doing game 1). I have a bit of a crazy thought for this deck; call me a heretic if you must, but would it be possible to run this build mono-blue?

Reasons for a Mono-Blue Build

1a) If the mana base was converted to a single color it would be more stable and it would be able to fit in Wasteland. With mono-blue the deck would be less prone to being Wastelanded while also being able to support the Wasteland. I realize this is a petty concern seeing as many of the decks in the format run multiple colors.

1b) My rationale for wanting to go mono-blue is that in many of these builds the black is a light splash for a bit of discard. Don't get me wrong, I know how powerful a 3 copy of Thoughtsieze can be from playing Reanimator. Furthermore, I would like to ask if Lim-Dul's Vault would be replaceable with the right blue tutor or draw spell.

2. With the reduction of black for an increase in blue more cheap and effective counter magic could be played. This would result in basically the same kind of deck just bit different in the overall play style. It would result in ore of a permission build rather than a discard/counter control build.

3. I realize this could be done with the current build but Emrakul, the Aeons Torn could be introduced for a transformational sideboard concept. Board out the Hive Mind and the Pacts for some quick and nasty fat.

I hope my ideas are not too crazy. I am hoping to hear some suggestions soon.

[ryO!]

28 men
finished 1st ... 4win 0loss 1draw

finally ...
MD
same with one exception
3 mana leak 1 thoughtseize (could find one only, as i forgot mine at home)
SB
4 Leyline Of Sanctity
4 Extirpate
1 Relic of Progenitus
3 Diabolic Edict
1 Echoing Truth
1 Perish
1 Nature's Ruin

#1 2-1 Rw Burn, well leyline helps ...
#2 2-0 Landstill
#3 2-0 Ichorid
#4 2-0 Ichorid
#5 id Dark Thresh

top 8
was
1#Hive Mind
2#Dark Thresh
3#Ichorid
4#Ant
5#Ichorid
6#TES
7#Ichorid
8#Ichorid

not much to say except the leyline is nice, but it wasn't really for the burn MU that i added it in the SB ... oh well it seems to work in this mu as well.

[Kangaxx]

Off topic a bit, but does P4P (the deck title) stand for "pound for pound"? or something else.

[ryO!]

don't know ... i d like to write a proper primer and change the title ... but as i am not the original poster i am screwed !

[Corto]

I think it means "Pay For Pacts"

And congratulations Ryo for the result

[HokusSchmokus]

Hello folks,

I think I fell in love with this deck. Therefore, I think I will get it irl.
So far I have been testing the following list on mws, basicly ryo's md and a different sb:

3 Ancient tombs
4 Island
2 Flooded Strand
3 City of Traitors
2 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
4 Lim-Dul's Vault
4 Thoughtseize
4 Conflux
3 Hive Mind
3 Dream Halls
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Pact of the Titan
2 Pact of Negation
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Summenor's Pact

SB:
3 Propaganda
3 Extirpate
3 Diabolic Edict
3 Spell Pierce
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Perish
1 Nature's Ruin

Any tips on my list? Advice is sure appreciated!
Also, any tweaks or tricks I have to consider when it comes to playing?

[ryO!]

i will argue more later but the main thing i d say is :
i d advise you to play a basic swamp as you kinda rely on it to cast LDV and thoughseize especially against mana denial decks. I know it sometimes sucks if that's your only land in your starting 7 but i think that worth it. Also i ve found that 3 AT hurts kinda lot.

[ryO!]

32 men
finished 1st ... 5win 0loss 0draw


MD
+3 Thoughtseize
+1 Sensei divining top
-4 mana leak
SB
4 Leyline Of Sanctity
3 Extirpate
1 Relic of Progenitus
3 Diabolic Edict
1 Echoing Truth
1 Perish
1 Nature's Ruin
1 Pact Of Negation

#1 2-0 CounterTop
#2 2-1 Merfolk, the first time ever, and i can only thank his bad bad bad luck in g2 and his bad bad luck + my good luck in g3. As i had nothing specific in the sb to beat merfolk that was the only thing i had to rely onto ...
#3 2-0 Elf combo
#4 2-0 CounterTop
#5 2-0 Maverick

top 8
was
#1 Hive Mind
#2 Death & Taxes
#3 Elf Combo
#4 Stax
#5 Maverick
#6 Maverick
#7 Big Zoo
#8 Countertop

I am not so sold on the thoughseize as i barely had them, but i am grateful with the sensei. I ll have to play that list a bit more just to be sure.

[addaro]

Hi guys,

is anyone still playing this? ryO! ?

How succesful are you? How yould you change the deck after NPh (Mental Misstep)?

Thanks