DTB update?

[ummon]

How long until there is a post-mystical tutor DTB update? I want to get an idea of what the meta is like, and am too lazy to check for myself. :rolleyes:

[Tammit67]

Agreed. No offense to the Ad naus/Reanimator threads, the DTB section (obviously) needs to be changed. So thoughts on what should make it?

[Rood]

Merfolk, Goblins, Tempo-Bant, S&T/Emrakul, Countertop-Jace, and Zoo are my votes.

[(nameless one)]

What about Landstill variants? I personally think theyre doing good recently.

[Rood]

What about Landstill variants? I personally think theyre doing good recently.

I agree. Landstill variants have been doing excellent lately they probally deserve the nod as well.

[Tammit67]

I agree. Landstill variants have been doing excellent lately they probally deserve the nod as well.

I agree, but which one? There are basically a dozen. Do you count Enlightened tutor decks? How about any of the survival spinoffs?

[Parax]

Zoo, Merfolk, New Horizon are the top three i think.

[Vacrix]

Merfolk, Goblins, Tempo-Bant, S&T/Emrakul, Countertop-Jace, and Zoo are my votes.
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[Sims]

How long until there is a post-mystical tutor DTB update? I want to get an idea of what the meta is like, and am too lazy to check for myself. :rolleyes:

Short Answer: When it's done.

Long Answer: The mod and admin staff all have lives outside of the site and can be rather busy. DTB Forum updates take a long time to compile the data and filter through it, and that can be difficult when you're also dealing with a Job, Wife, Kids, etc. As soon as one of the Mod staff has the time to go through the available data and compile the results, it'll happen. Another thing that will hinder this is the semantics of deck names and how to group threads. Landstill variants are doing well, but as was already mentioned, there's a LOT of variants. Not all of them have a well thought out primer/opening post to use as a thread starter. Same with the SnT Emrakul decks, various threads for the different shells the deck comes in. This will also slow down the process.


TL;DR: It'll get done, but it takes time and the mod staff doesn't necessarily have a plethora of extra time to get this done.

[dontbiteitholmes]

I think a better answer is that no one really knows what the DTB are at this point. It's been barely a month since MT was banned and we've had all of GP and GenCon for major events. The dust still hasn't settled yet. Either way Merfolk seems as strong as ever. It's the only deck I'd 100% bet was truly a DTB at this point.

[ummon]

In that case, I guess I'll have to create my own analysis (of the American meta) in the meantime. :D

[Finn]

I am with Holmes. Nobody could possibly know what the actual meta is. You got a top 8 for which every single deck begs more questions than it answers.

Is TES really going to be the new face of Storm combo?
Is Vengevine actually able to repeat?
Uhh, Merfolk? Hard not to count them in.
Counter Top? It's more of a package than a deck now.
What about Reanimator now?
Goblins?
Landstill?
Where were the New Horiszons decks its proponents claim can win?
and then there's the Emrakul factor...

I don't even know how to talk about Emrakul decks. There are so many with widely different strategies.

[Dark Ritual]

It will get done eventually when the people in charge have the time to devote to the task. But IMO these should most definitely be DTB's:

Merfolk
Landstill Variants, UBG, UBGW, and UWx
Goblins
Zoo
Countertop
New Horizons
Other manner of bant decks including bant countertop, bant aggro, tempo bant, and NO Bant.

[Oiolosse]

Aren't DTBs relevant only to their respective metagames? In bigger tourneys I can see the point but don't we mostly play at our local shops the majority of the time? If you want to see DTBs just look at the successful day 2 decks at the GP and other big turnout events.

[kkoie]

You make a good point. However arn't their going to be more Starcity 5k's the rest of the year? In that end, having updated DTB would be helpful. However beyond that...

[Nekrataal]

I am replying to this thread instead of creating an own one.

http://www.gamersdungeon.de/__gdc__/downloads/report200810/image013.png

http://www.gamersdungeon.de/__gdc__/downloads/report200810/image015.png

That is the worldwide Metagame for June, July based on Deckcheck and manual added tournaments. As usual (see my last posts) I think that american events are not represented in good quantity. The first donut subsumes around 65 Events with Top8 decks subsumed according to MTGThesource computation rules worldwide without restriction to events > 33 players. The second subsumes all events >= 33 players.

To answer questions that might arouse.

Rogue Decks: Decks that cannot be categorized in any of the known decktypes (I could provide a breakdown if wanted because some decks are from the deck development forum like Aoen Bridge, Sneak Attack Decks, CAB-Jace and so on)
Misc Category: Subsumes all decks that do not reach a necessary threshold to be listed individually.

However I could add american tourneys quite easily. Generating the results is a matter of second cause all is in a database. Just messing around with Excel eats up some time. WHat I aim at it: Provide the input needed (Links to american events) and I could generated the stats for a arbitrary period of time, country-specific with any extra stats for cards played blabla or just your regular MTGThesource stat ;)

Regarding New Horizon: A lot of you guys see it Top3. THat is not the case at least for Europe (Germany especially). There was a hype for sure but lately it seems ppl are going back to good old Canadian Temp Thres. I also noticed a higher percentage on Mono color decks that are not as much affected by Tempo Decks. Especially MOno B variants like Pox or The Gate popoing up lately to prey on creature light Tempo decks.

Regarding Reanimator: The stats are for June and July so pre and post ban. Thats why Reanimator still holds a place in stats but my guess is it will decrease in popularity at least in Europe (Germany) because available of Portal cards needed as substitudes in the "new" version.

If you interested in any details (events to be listed, percentages of other decks) please do not hesitate to let me know and I will try to answer it.

[Nekrataal]

Apparently my post brought this thread to a premature end ... I hope not.

I provide a monthly update for the german metagame here:

http://www.zkforum.de/showthread.php?t=51602

There are quite some more stats possible. So again, I offer to do this with proper input regarding tournaments not listed in DC for MTGTheSource. Already discussed this with Nihil Credo some time ago but unfortunately the discussion ceased because of reallife involvement I guess.

[Bryant Cook]

Is TES really going to be the new face of Storm combo?


I'm surprised you're the only one to even mention my deck. It's put up more results this weekend with two top 8's that I know of, I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a Deck to Beat soon.

[Cthuloo]

I'm surprised you're the only one to even mention my deck. It's put up more results this weekend with two top 8's that I know of, I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a Deck to Beat soon.

I think it will take a bit to start spreading, Non-sourcers were barely aware of its existence before the GP, and being less straightforward than ANT was, it will take more time to have enough people mastering it.

[mchainmail]

I am with Holmes. Nobody could possibly know what the actual meta is. You got a top 8 for which every single deck begs more questions than it answers.

Is TES really going to be the new face of Storm combo?
Is Vengevine actually able to repeat?
Uhh, Merfolk? Hard not to count them in.
Counter Top? It's more of a package than a deck now.
What about Reanimator now?
Goblins?
Landstill?
Where were the New Horizons decks its proponents claim can win?
and then there's the Emrakul factor...

I don't even know how to talk about Emrakul decks. There are so many with widely different strategies.

Vengevine won a 56 person Vestal event this past weekend...

[Bardo]

We'll get to it this week.

[kiblast]

Enlightened Thopter combo should really make the cut.
Idk for Aluren.

[swoop]

Aluren isnt DTB. Its tier2. not top of tier1

[Jander78]

Enlightened Thopter combo should really make the cut.
Idk for Aluren.
Thopter combo only had 3 top 8 appearances since July. The DTB forum was updated earlier this week. The data can be reviewed here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?5460-DTBF-Philosophy-Deck-Selection&p=483989&viewfull=1#post483989

[Mark Sun]

Thopter combo only had 3 top 8 appearances since July. The DTB forum was updated earlier this week. The data can be reviewed here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?5460-DTBF-Philosophy-Deck-Selection&p=483989&viewfull=1#post483989

I honestly didn't think that UWx Landstill would have made it back in; I actually thought the presence of Standstills in Top 8's were actually due to the UGB version that recently resurfaced (ie., the one that Jason Ford Top 8'ed the GP with).

[Jander78]

I honestly didn't think that UWx Landstill would have made it back in; I actually thought the presence of Standstills in Top 8's were actually due to the UGB version that recently resurfaced (ie., the one that Jason Ford Top 8'ed the GP with).
As a matter of fact, you are correct (I didn't realize they were separate threads). I have placed the correct thread in the DTB forum.

[kiblast]

Aluren isnt DTB. Its tier2. not top of tier1

of course i was joking about our beloved Aluren, Swoop ^^

Enlightened thopter is really strong here in italy and,although doesnt make lots of T8, is widely considered one of the DsTB, or at least a very solid tier1.Idk bout usa.

[Nekrataal]

The current DTB / DTW are based on the absolute appearance of decks in top8? It seems so because the percentages and the graphic indicate to me that just the numbers have been counted. That means the "traditional" way of computing the DTB/DTW has been changed and is not based on "performance" anymore that also included the position a deck had. I understand the effort that would be behind that when doing it manually. Fortunately you included the events taken into account so I will include the 4 missing events (probably all american) to my database an come up with the "original" MTGTheSource analysis.