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Jason
09-21-2010, 12:32 AM
I was at the SCG Baltimore Standard Open and a player was DQed in round 9/10. Both players were 6-3 so winning was the only possible way to make it to top 32. I wasn't there when the whole thing went down but from the spectators, I overheard this is what happened:
It was turn 4 or 5 of turns. Neither player could win.
One player rolled a die.
A judge came over and immediately stopped play.
The head judge came and DQed the guy who rolled the die for attempting to randomly select the winner of the match.
The other player received no penalty.

From what I heard, the guy did not say "high roll" or "roll to see who scoops" or anything of the sort. The intention was probably to decide who would scoop to the other but nothing was explicitly said. In fact, the reason the other player was not DQed was because he said nothing (I did hear the judge say that).

I'm not saying the ruling is incorrect, but I'm curious the line of thinking for the judge. How can you make a ruling off speculated intent and not anything that was actually said or done?

troopatroop
09-21-2010, 12:47 AM
One time me and some guy at a tournament rolled a die to see who would take the win, and we both got DQed. Seems like that's what should have happened here.

Jason
09-21-2010, 12:52 AM
One time me and some guy at a tournament rolled a die to see who would take the win, and we both got DQed. Seems like that's what should have happened here.

The other guy didn't roll the die. And neither player said anything, nor did they confirm or deny whether that's what the plan was.

jrsthethird
09-21-2010, 12:55 AM
Maybe he was trying to tap his Jack-in-the-Mox.....

Dia_Bot
09-21-2010, 03:22 AM
That judgement call was cerainly incorrect. If nothing has been said and the player rolling the dice didn't do anything besides rolling the dice there is no proof of his intention after the action. He might just have been bored and rolled the dice because of his it, there is no ruling against that

cdr
09-21-2010, 07:01 AM
It was turn 4 or 5 of turns. Neither player could win.
One player rolled a die.
A judge came over and immediately stopped play.
The head judge came and DQed the guy who rolled the die for attempting to randomly select the winner of the match.
The other player received no penalty.

From what I heard, the guy did not say "high roll" or "roll to see who scoops" or anything of the sort. The intention was probably to decide who would scoop to the other but nothing was explicitly said. In fact, the reason the other player was not DQed was because he said nothing (I did hear the judge say that).

I'm not saying the ruling is incorrect, but I'm curious the line of thinking for the judge. How can you make a ruling off speculated intent and not anything that was actually said or done?

Sometimes it's pretty obvious what's going on. Judges don't need absolute proof of an infraction, only reasonable confidence that an infraction occurred. Standard Open head judges are some of the most experienced judges around.

From your description it might've been better for the judge to wait a little longer and see what happened - in case the players had already discussed it earlier and they both needed to be DQed - but I wasn't there so I don't know what the actual details of the situation were.

Jason
09-21-2010, 12:33 PM
Sometimes it's pretty obvious what's going on. Judges don't need absolute proof of an infraction, only reasonable confidence that an infraction occurred. Standard Open head judges are some of the most experienced judges around.

From your description it might've been better for the judge to wait a little longer and see what happened - in case the players had already discussed it earlier and they both needed to be DQed - but I wasn't there so I don't know what the actual details of the situation were.

Honestly, I did hear from a spectator that the players discussed it at the beginning of the round, but when the whole thing went down, no one said any of the sort and the judge watching the turns stopped play before both players rolled the die. I'm not overly bothered by it, as I was just curious the line of thinking. Thanks for the response!