Koth of the Hammer

[Antonius]

Red control is always fun!


4 Scalding Tarn
4 Arid Mesa
1 Island
1 Plains
5 Mountain
4 Volcanic Island
4 Plateau

2 Top
4 Fact or Fiction
4 Burning Wish

4 Seething Song

2 Jace the Mind Sculptor
3 Koth of the Hammer
2 Ajani Vengeant

2 Obliterate

3 Firespout
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
4 Swords to Plowshares

Sideboard:
1 Obliterate
1 Time Reversal -- WTF, why isn't Time Spiral unbanned yet?!?!?1oneonone111
1 Firespout
1 Destructive Force
1 Rack and Ruin//Shattering Spree
3 Magnetic Mountain
4 Pyroblast
3 ???

Game plan is simple enough: get some walkers out then Obliterate. Koth not only gives you the mana to blow up the world, but helps power out other Walkers or broken shit like FoF or wishes. Greater Garg might fit in here. And Seething Song could be replaced by Rite or Flame...or might not be necessary at all.

on second thought, slanting this back towards blue wouldn't be difficult, either-- cut Wishes, Song, Bolt and Path and there should be enough room for Brainstorm, Force, Counterspell and other blue shenanigans like Fire/Ice, repeal, spell snare or Propaganda. The thought of using little Jace (just to own the other side's eventual Mind Sculptor) seems pretty amusing, too.

[dahcmai]

I really like the idea of doing this in U and R. It seems like it has promise.

[Tortured Existence]

Diminish returns is >>>>>>>>>> time spiral. And why would you want to wish that up ever? I don't really like koth is a control shell, as his first ability is useless (thus not doing anything the turn he comes in, which for a 4cmc thing means badd in legacy)

Time Spiral is also ridiculously broekn and you do not want to play that as a 4 of in legacy. Think about it with monolith and ancient tomb

Koth can't be played in this fasion; you're basically hoping to acheive a very fragile two card combo that takes two turns to acheive; not going to happen buster. (also you only have two oblits+no tutor of draw, no good sir)

[Mystical_Jackass]

I dunno. I'd use Koth's abilities in something like a G/R ramp deck or Land'ish deck. Primevil Titan looks friggin' nuts with him, especially if you get out Maze, wastes, Tabernacle, Loam, etc. Soon as you get the "Emblem" out it's game over for them. I'd just shoot down every creature they have or simply go for the kill.

I think Firespout is such a powerful card in the format, it would be a great fit. Goes well with sweeping the board and swinging for 4 as well.

[Antonius]

Diminishing Returns doesn't even see play anymore, dude. And if your argument is that it's better than Time Spiral, then what does that say about why its still banned? Also, Koth's first ability doesn't really help you gain control of the game, but it's not entirely useless. It's still a five-turn clock and there are other options for Koth's first turn: -2 to mana up and firespout, or with an island up, Fact. But yeah, the first build of a new idea is always a brain fart.

After some tinkering, I ended up with this, much more refined build:

1 Academy Ruins
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Island
4 Volcanic Island
2 Steam Vents
6 Mountain

1 Top
4 Engineered Explosives

2 Obliterate
3 Firespout

3 Koth
2 Jace

4 Brainstorm
4 Fact
4 Force
4 Spell Snare
2 Fire/Ice
4 Repeal

Of course, repeals and EEs can be dropped, then white and swords/path can be added, but so far I like the resilience and consistency of two-color. Goofy will always be an asshole, but there are plenty of ways to stall him and there is no way to stop obliterate.

[Tortured Existence]

I obviously meant diminishing returns>>>>>>>>>>>>then time reversal, you might as well be merfolk looter in your sb

diminishing returns sees play in tes; If times spiral is unbanned you'd see the archtype moving into 8x chant effects + turbo spiral, that one mana is ridiculously important for a draw 7 effect. The card is power 9 for a reason.

and no; Jace is a 5 turn "clock" that protects itself, koth doesn't work in control period

[Kangaxx]

I obviously meant diminishing returns>>>>>>>>>>>>then time reversal, you might as well be merfolk looter in your sb

diminishing returns sees play in tes; If times spiral is unbanned you'd see the archtype moving into 8x chant effects + turbo spiral, that one mana is ridiculously important for a draw 7 effect. The card is power 9 for a reason.

and no; Jace is a 5 turn "clock" that protects itself, koth doesn't work in control period

This made me lol. Power Nine Timetwister?

[Darkenslight]

I think more of Koth in an R/W shell, like this:

4 Arid Mesa
4 Wooded Foothils
4 Scalding Tarn
6 Mountain
4 Plateau
4 Plains

4 Oblivion Ring
4 Koth of the Hammer
4 Ajani Vengeant
4 Terra Eternal
4 Rebuff the Wicked
4 Decree of Annihilation
4 Scroll Rack
4 Manamorphose
2 Dawn Charm

You take the indestructibility from Terra Eternal because of cycling Decree, which you can do turn 5. Scrolls are in there for filtering your lands. Ajani is in here because it backs up your gameplan of death by lands. No creatures means that spot removal (outside of KGrip, Pulse and Qasali) are irrelevant, and Rebuff stops spot removal on your animated lands.

It's heavily skewed towards mountains for obvious reasons. I'd be looking to fit in a Valakut or two, for the hilarity.

[lorddotm]

4 Ajani Vengeant
4 Terra Eternal
4 Decree of Annihilation

You take the indestructibility from Terra Eternal because of cycling Decree, which you can do turn 5.

No. Terra Eternal makes their lands indestructible too. The idea is there, but do you really need to keep your lands when you have a Koth out?

Chances are he will take control when they have nothing and you will win. That seems better than your idea.


Diminish returns is >>>>>>>>>> time spiral.

Time Spiral is also ridiculously broekn and you do not want to play that as a 4 of in legacy. Think about it with monolith and ancient tomb

I notice something strange.

Also, you realize that Time Spiral is mainly only broken because of Tolarian Academy. If that was legal, boy Time Spiral would be far too broken. As it stands, I would rather cast an Ad Nauseam for 1 less mana and about 10 more cards.

[Tortured Existence]

yeah meant timetwister obv, messed that up pretty bad

[Darkenslight]

No. Terra Eternal makes their lands indestructible too. The idea is there, but do you really need to keep your lands when you have a Koth out?

Chances are he will take control when they have nothing and you will win. That seems better than your idea.

Derf, I should RTFC. Then I'd probably replace it with Abeyance or something similar.

[perm]

I was thinking of using him in a bosium strip-deck-wins deck, lol. I may post a decklist