Koth of the Hammer

[NetherGamer]

So, will Koth of the Hammer ever see play in legacy? Just curious as to what everyone thinks.

[DalkonCledwin]

he is cheap enough that he fits many decks' curves. However his abilities are in my opinion vastly underpar compared to the other 4-drop Planeswalkers. Thus I do not believe that he will be a top contender for many of the legacy decks sporting mountains.

[NetherGamer]

There is a lot of disscusion in standard about making big red style decks, you don't think that something like that could be made in legacy?

[DalkonCledwin]

I am not familiar with the concept of Big Red, but if it is anything similar to Mono-Red Burn... its been tried, its got a faster, better deck already, and there is no room for Koth in the deck without seriously slowing the curve down.

[Sims]

I am not familiar with the concept of Big Red, but if it is anything similar to Mono-Red Burn... its been tried, its got a faster, better deck already, and there is no room for Koth in the deck without seriously slowing the curve down.

As I recall Big Red was the original style deck back in the standard days of Mirrodin that first featured Arc Slogger. Instead of being sligh/burn, it was more like RDW.

[DalkonCledwin]

As I recall Big Red was the original style deck back in the standard days of Mirrodin that first featured Arc Slogger. Instead of being sligh/burn, it was more like RDW.

I see, I wouldn't have known that considering I didn't play back during the original Mirrodin Block. However I suppose that makes sense. It might be possible in that line of thinking that Koth could possibly see play in some weird alteration of Dragon Stompy, but that might be a stretch.

[Antonius]

Koth, mana ramp into Obliterate, win.

Of course, you have to protect Koth for 1 turn--which is easier said than done in Mono-Red.

[Nonex]

I would like to give him a try in Loam decks as a replacement for Seismic Assault. Do I sound excessively crazy for this?

[sligh16]

I would like to give him a try in Loam decks as a replacement for Seismic Assault. Do I sound excessively crazy for this?

I think Koth fits in a new deck, not in Aggro Loam for the simple reason that loam plays usually plays 3 colors, even playing 2 would be a drawback. Also, you cant exploit Koth's second ability in that deck.

Give him a month and some creative minds will find his niche in legacy :)

[Antonius]

I think Koth fits in a new deck, not in Aggro Loam for the simple reason that loam plays usually plays 3 colors, even playing 2 would be a drawback. Also, you cant exploit Koth's second ability in that deck.

Give him a month and some creative minds will find his niche in legacy :)

Koth's second ability is very abusable in Aggro Loam. Channel all that red mana into cycling Forgotten caves and paying the colorless side of Life from the Loam. You'll be drawing 6+ cards a turn in no time.

[Grollub]

I don't think Koth fits into any current shells.

I do however think he can easily find his own home in a tournament level viable shell, he most certainly got the power for it.

Would love to see him in a turbo-obliterate deck, that deck was so much fun to pilot, but I think that'd be too slow. For a realistic deck type, I could easily see him alongside the new masticore and Kargan Dragonlord in a modern sligh (as in the aggro-control and manacurved and not blitzkrieg deck).

[Bardo]

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